I heard them say mount baldy a couple of days ago but it sounded like up north. alot of bald mountain/ mesa's around.... Cedar mountains too 
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Southern Utah UCAN gets new System ID #
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Junior1970
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Today I made a trip to the Delta and Fillmore areas.
Monroe has a strong signal per the CC that has been bounced around. I picked it up for a time west of Nephi on SR 132 for a few miles touch and go and again on US 50 near McCornick Road west of Fillmore. Spotty but got a good enough CC that it gave me the 643E system ID.
Cedar Mtn near Fillmore is definitely on. Just west of Delta this was a strong signal and on US 50 near the McCornick turnoff (between Delta and Holden) I pulled off the antenna and hit the attenuator. 99% signal still throughout the Pahvant Valley.
I picked up a CC of 854.9000 for a time on I-15 between Fillmore and Holden. It was a tad scratch and I couldn't get enough of a read to get the 643E ID and had to hold the handheld up to the roof of my cab to get it. It was silent closer to Fillmore and north of the south Holden exit. Guessing White Pine but this freq is not on the FCC freq list for that site.
Did pick up a brief CC of 853.8125 north of Scipio for a half mile or two. I know this IS NOT Scipio Pass. There was no strong CC in the area of the pass today. Not sure who this might be of if it may be a mirror of something else.
Since i posted about Cedar Near Emery the CC Switched and has Stayed on 856.9875, so im not sure if ots an alt CC or another Primary CC with 857.9875 being Alt CC... Nothing on Bruin yet and i cant hear Bald Mesa from here or any other sites other than Ford and Cedar. Still Searching!
bchris
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Brain Teaser - Would the real site 09 please stand?
In Central Utah along I-15, I think both Gillies Hill and Cedar Mtn are active, but there is a technical problem yet to be fixed, and it can be really confusing.
Gillies Hill is between Beaver and Fillmore, and south of Cedar Mtn. It shows itself as site 643e-09, CC=852.4375. Gillies shows its peers as 643e-01, 02, 03, 10, & 12. St George, site 643e-01 and residing to the south, lists its peers as 643e-02, 03, & 09. St George does not list site 10, implying that 9 is closer (to the south) than 10; ie: Gillies Hill=09. I have a Unitrunker screen shot that shows there is indeed a site 643e-09, and its name is GILLI. So far so good.... now the problem.
I also have screen shots of Cedar Mtn. It is just west of Fillmore. It also id's itself as site 643e-09, and uses the same CC 852.4375! How do I know I'm not still seeing Gillies? 1. The CC became strong, then weak, then strong again - suggesting possibly 2 separate sites. 2. The alias name on the screen now says CDRMT. 3. Almost all of the peers are different. 4. While my screen now shows CDRMT and site #09, one of it's peers is now 643e-09...it shows itself as its own peer!
One of these sites is screwed up, and I'm saying its Cedar Mtn, which should be site 643e-10, and it needs to use a different CC freq. Several sites to the north list a peer as 643e-10, but none list #09. Again implying that 10 is closer (to the north) than 09; ie: Cedar Mtn=10. When my screen shows CDRMT, 09 is a peer. When my screen shows GILLI, 10 is a peer. Then Gillies=09 and CedarMt=10, right? (even though they both identify as 09).
I have attached some (but not all) of the supporting screen shots. Unfortunately I do not have the ability on this RR web site to determine the order they show up in, nor can I add any captions. If you are interested, you will just have to study them.
For those planning a trip to or through the area, I think everything will work fine on your scanner, just make sure you have 852.4375 as one of your CC's. When this gets fixed, we will need to add the appropriate CC to our list for Cedar Mtn.
Looking forward to some feedback.
--B.Christensen
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In Central Utah along I-15, I think both Gillies Hill and Cedar Mtn are active, but there is a technical problem yet to be fixed, and it can be really confusing.
Gillies Hill is between Beaver and Fillmore, and south of Cedar Mtn. It shows itself as site 643e-09, CC=852.4375. Gillies shows its peers as 643e-01, 02, 03, 10, & 12. St George, site 643e-01 and residing to the south, lists its peers as 643e-02, 03, & 09. St George does not list site 10, implying that 9 is closer (to the south) than 10; ie: Gillies Hill=09. I have a Unitrunker screen shot that shows there is indeed a site 643e-09, and its name is GILLI. So far so good.... now the problem.
I also have screen shots of Cedar Mtn. It is just west of Fillmore. It also id's itself as site 643e-09, and uses the same CC 852.4375! How do I know I'm not still seeing Gillies? 1. The CC became strong, then weak, then strong again - suggesting possibly 2 separate sites. 2. The alias name on the screen now says CDRMT. 3. Almost all of the peers are different. 4. While my screen now shows CDRMT and site #09, one of it's peers is now 643e-09...it shows itself as its own peer!
One of these sites is screwed up, and I'm saying its Cedar Mtn, which should be site 643e-10, and it needs to use a different CC freq. Several sites to the north list a peer as 643e-10, but none list #09. Again implying that 10 is closer (to the north) than 09; ie: Cedar Mtn=10. When my screen shows CDRMT, 09 is a peer. When my screen shows GILLI, 10 is a peer. Then Gillies=09 and CedarMt=10, right? (even though they both identify as 09).
I have attached some (but not all) of the supporting screen shots. Unfortunately I do not have the ability on this RR web site to determine the order they show up in, nor can I add any captions. If you are interested, you will just have to study them.
For those planning a trip to or through the area, I think everything will work fine on your scanner, just make sure you have 852.4375 as one of your CC's. When this gets fixed, we will need to add the appropriate CC to our list for Cedar Mtn.
Looking forward to some feedback.
--B.Christensen
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According to FCC Database Gillies should be 851.0875, 851.6875, 852.100, 852.550, 852.975, 853.5875...if UCAN put Cedar's (Millard County's) Frequencies on both Sites Sounds Like a boo boo to me...
Hooligan
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Brent, I'll try to get out to the Enterprise/Big Mountain area sometime this month & will report my findings.
Junior1970
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852.5500 is Gillies Hill as of today to confirm what has been posted so far. It's coming up 643E on my 2096. Also.
Picked up two more CC in the Iron County area:
851.8875 came in strong at the Iron/Beaver County line and was strong throughout but got spotty around Kanarraville to Black Ridge. All indications are this is Windy Ridge.
852.9375 came in scaratchy near Parowan and was hit and miss around Cedar City but did have strong spots near Enoch and Summit. My guess: Frisco Peak since it is much further west than the area I traveled. I will have to check the FCC database if time permits...unless someone beats me to it!!
May have to do some fishing around St.George tomorrow.........
Picked up two more CC in the Iron County area:
851.8875 came in strong at the Iron/Beaver County line and was strong throughout but got spotty around Kanarraville to Black Ridge. All indications are this is Windy Ridge.
852.9375 came in scaratchy near Parowan and was hit and miss around Cedar City but did have strong spots near Enoch and Summit. My guess: Frisco Peak since it is much further west than the area I traveled. I will have to check the FCC database if time permits...unless someone beats me to it!!
May have to do some fishing around St.George tomorrow.........
i take it u cant recieve site id's #'s just sysid's.. if u get a chance fish for mount baldy near hwy 89 on the way back. cedar mountain emery sees it as a peer and ive figured its control channel which says channel 21 on cedar is 851.5375 on 7202 site 23, but needs confirmed somehow..
Junior1970
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Scratch that!!! Drove up SR 18 today and started getting this as a faint data channel about Winchester Hills. By Dammeron Valley it was strong and at Veyo it was 99% with the antenna removed and the attenuator on (Pro 96). This is Big Mountain.
Just checked the FCC website and the data freq for Windy is listed there on that license as is Big Mountain data channel on its license. Didn't hear anything on any of the Frisco Peak freqs. I'll will check again on the way home.
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Junior1970
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On the way home after topping Black Ridge, Windy Ridge was a constant signal from there to about MM 100 ish. Gillies came in strong through Fremont Pass area south of Beaver until between Dog Valley (Cove Fort area) the Cedar Mtn (Millard) came in strong until Scipio Pass. However there is no site operational yet at Scipio. Neither it seems is Frisco.
Around Nephi and near Salt Creek Canyon (Exit 225) I picked up a control channel 851.5375 that had disappeared by the time I passed 228 going north. This is probably Mount Baldy my guess....
Around Nephi and near Salt Creek Canyon (Exit 225) I picked up a control channel 851.5375 that had disappeared by the time I passed 228 going north. This is probably Mount Baldy my guess....
I Agree its Probably Mount Baldy its one of Cedar mountain Emery's Peers. which may be 7202 Site 23....
bchris
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Southern Sites Update
Junior1970 and EnosJones - Very nice job, guys!
I can confirm with no doubt that Mt Baldy near Moroni is site 7202-23, and the CC is now 851.5375. (The CC did change shortly after it came online.) Oddly enough, Tabby Mtn came up on the exact same day and is 643E-0023 (same site #, different System ID). This was a little confusing, and is odd because you would think that the southern site would be 643E and the northern 7202. Bottom line is that I think Mt Baldy is now ready for the DB with the above info.
Another update to the DB, now that the sites are fixed: Gillies Hill is Site #643E-09, CC 852.5500. Cedar Mtn (Millard) is site #643E-10, CC is 852.4375 unless it has changed very recently. A couple weeks ago I personally saw the same info as Junior1970 , and just needed someone to confirm. It is now confirmed and I think it is ready for the DB.
Windy Ridge and Big Mtn still need Site #'s before submitting. Frisco Peak is not yet active, but probably will be very soon. Scipio Hill is such a new license that I think it will be a while still.
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B.Christensen
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Junior1970 and EnosJones - Very nice job, guys!
I can confirm with no doubt that Mt Baldy near Moroni is site 7202-23, and the CC is now 851.5375. (The CC did change shortly after it came online.) Oddly enough, Tabby Mtn came up on the exact same day and is 643E-0023 (same site #, different System ID). This was a little confusing, and is odd because you would think that the southern site would be 643E and the northern 7202. Bottom line is that I think Mt Baldy is now ready for the DB with the above info.
Another update to the DB, now that the sites are fixed: Gillies Hill is Site #643E-09, CC 852.5500. Cedar Mtn (Millard) is site #643E-10, CC is 852.4375 unless it has changed very recently. A couple weeks ago I personally saw the same info as Junior1970 , and just needed someone to confirm. It is now confirmed and I think it is ready for the DB.
Windy Ridge and Big Mtn still need Site #'s before submitting. Frisco Peak is not yet active, but probably will be very soon. Scipio Hill is such a new license that I think it will be a while still.
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B.Christensen
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One step ahead of u I submitted Mount Baldy Monday Night it was added Yesterday... Mount Tabby is not submitted yet...
Cedar Emery is Seeing a peer from 643E-0022 but im not sure which site that is. Also the License For Abajo Peak Went Through Last week I am not sure of it and Bald Mesa are up or not...
Cedar Emery is Seeing a peer from 643E-0022 but im not sure which site that is. Also the License For Abajo Peak Went Through Last week I am not sure of it and Bald Mesa are up or not...
bchris
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643E UCAN DB Site Updates
If there are no objections, I will submit the following to the Database.
643E-01 St George Simulcast (Washington County) on I-15
DB shows CC=852.0375, acc=852.6625. Actual CC being used is 853.6125.
Either Unitrunker converted wrong or I have a setting wrong, but in Unitrunker:
All Peers show CC=LCN 104 & (852.2750), but LCN 104 should be (853.6125).
St Grg’s data stream shows CC=(LCN 104), acc=852.2750, 852.6625, 853.1875.
I suggest the DB should say: CC=853.6125, acc=852.2750, 852.6625, 853.1875. (Being a Simulcast now, it does have 3 acc's.)
The remaining 4 freqs are 851.1875, 851.6000, 851.8375, 852.0375.
All the above freqs are licensed for that site on call sign WQJT596.
643E-02 Toquerville (Washington County) near I-15
Additional Info: acc=852.7375.
More voice freqs 851.2375, 853.0625, 851.6500, 851.9750, 852.3500.
The above freqs are on call sign WQJT594.
643E-03 Utah Hill (Washington County) near I-15
Additional Info: acc=852.8375.
More voice freqs 851.3125, 851.8125, 852.2250, 853.1500.
The above freqs are on call sign WQJT595.
The existing voice freq of 851.9500 is not licensed, nor have I logged any hits on it.
643E-04 Big Mountain (NW Washington County) very remote location
New Site: CC=853.9125, acc=852.9375.
Voice freqs from FCC: 851.8250, 852.1250, 853.4125, 853.6625.
The above freqs are on call sign WQJT945.
643E-07 Windy Ridge (Iron County) near I-15
New Site: CC=851.8875, acc=851.3875.
Voice freqs from FCC: 852.3250, 852.8625, 853.3375.
The above freqs are on call sign WQOH496.
643E-10 Cedar Mountain (Millard County) near I-15
Correction: Cedar Mtn is site #10, not #09. I need to take credit for this mistake.
Additional Info: acc=858.2625.
Everything else is correct in the DB, and is on call sign WQMF581.
643E-09 Gillies Hill (Beaver County) near I-15
New Site: CC=852.5500, acc=851.0875.
Voice freqs from FCC: 851.6875, 852.1000, 852.9750, 853.5875.
The above freqs are on call sign WQMH801.
643E-12 Monroe Peak (Sevier County) near I-70
Additional Info: acc=855.9625.
Everything else is correct in the DB, and is on call sign WQMM426.
643E-21 Little Mtn (Uinta County) quite remote location
Additional Info: acc=854.2125.
I did not see a license for this loc, but I did confirm the CC & acc while near the area.
643E-23 Tabby Mountain (Duchesne County) fairly remote location
New Site: CC=856.7625, acc=851.1375.
Voice freqs from FCC: 851.3125, 851.4875, 852.5750.
The above freqs are on call sign WQED644, except 856.7625 which is on WQGQ815.
As of Jan, 2012
Brent Christensen
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If there are no objections, I will submit the following to the Database.
643E-01 St George Simulcast (Washington County) on I-15
DB shows CC=852.0375, acc=852.6625. Actual CC being used is 853.6125.
Either Unitrunker converted wrong or I have a setting wrong, but in Unitrunker:
All Peers show CC=LCN 104 & (852.2750), but LCN 104 should be (853.6125).
St Grg’s data stream shows CC=(LCN 104), acc=852.2750, 852.6625, 853.1875.
I suggest the DB should say: CC=853.6125, acc=852.2750, 852.6625, 853.1875. (Being a Simulcast now, it does have 3 acc's.)
The remaining 4 freqs are 851.1875, 851.6000, 851.8375, 852.0375.
All the above freqs are licensed for that site on call sign WQJT596.
643E-02 Toquerville (Washington County) near I-15
Additional Info: acc=852.7375.
More voice freqs 851.2375, 853.0625, 851.6500, 851.9750, 852.3500.
The above freqs are on call sign WQJT594.
643E-03 Utah Hill (Washington County) near I-15
Additional Info: acc=852.8375.
More voice freqs 851.3125, 851.8125, 852.2250, 853.1500.
The above freqs are on call sign WQJT595.
The existing voice freq of 851.9500 is not licensed, nor have I logged any hits on it.
643E-04 Big Mountain (NW Washington County) very remote location
New Site: CC=853.9125, acc=852.9375.
Voice freqs from FCC: 851.8250, 852.1250, 853.4125, 853.6625.
The above freqs are on call sign WQJT945.
643E-07 Windy Ridge (Iron County) near I-15
New Site: CC=851.8875, acc=851.3875.
Voice freqs from FCC: 852.3250, 852.8625, 853.3375.
The above freqs are on call sign WQOH496.
643E-10 Cedar Mountain (Millard County) near I-15
Correction: Cedar Mtn is site #10, not #09. I need to take credit for this mistake.
Additional Info: acc=858.2625.
Everything else is correct in the DB, and is on call sign WQMF581.
643E-09 Gillies Hill (Beaver County) near I-15
New Site: CC=852.5500, acc=851.0875.
Voice freqs from FCC: 851.6875, 852.1000, 852.9750, 853.5875.
The above freqs are on call sign WQMH801.
643E-12 Monroe Peak (Sevier County) near I-70
Additional Info: acc=855.9625.
Everything else is correct in the DB, and is on call sign WQMM426.
643E-21 Little Mtn (Uinta County) quite remote location
Additional Info: acc=854.2125.
I did not see a license for this loc, but I did confirm the CC & acc while near the area.
643E-23 Tabby Mountain (Duchesne County) fairly remote location
New Site: CC=856.7625, acc=851.1375.
Voice freqs from FCC: 851.3125, 851.4875, 852.5750.
The above freqs are on call sign WQED644, except 856.7625 which is on WQGQ815.
As of Jan, 2012
Brent Christensen
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Junior1970
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Big Mountain must have changed CC's since I spotted it picked it up near Veyo before new years. Getting the other ACC's is awesome!!!! I'm in the St. George/Mesquite area again this weekend (mainly Mesquite but can get Utah Hill pretty good in most parts of town.) I see what new things I can find as well...........
Strong work!!!!!!
Strong work!!!!!!
Looks good to me! Junior do some massive searchin and report back wanna see whats up down there... and a few pics might not hurt either....
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The Little Mountain ne there should be getting a license soon submission was sent to FCC about the same time San Juan Abajo was and License is active on Abajo Now not sure about the site yet... but Little Mountain Should get theirs soon....
These are all Great things added but i have a small question, why did 2 or 3 of northern utah sites go to 643E site id? i wasnt aware that ADC Jail and some ofthers from Salt lake County was switched over, What was the Reason for that i thought it was zone 2 Southern utah only....? Tim What do u think? Anyone else Got ideas? no posts were put in the forums, is it a site error or are they acctually switching sme sites in northern utah too?
My guess is they are using 643E for new sites because 7202 is maxed out. As for ADC Jail moving to 643E, I think they decided the rescources could better be used for 7202 to avoid interference issues. Again, just a guess but past shuffling of frequencies and sites was for the above reason... sometimes out of the blue certain sites would change control channels and swap frequencies with other sites.
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I don't know what the rationale is for the two site groups. WyoLink has a similar division between its northern and southern sites. I haven't seen any practical value to the distinction. A site can have neighbor sites from either group, etc. I'm no expert on complex trunked systems.
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