Sticky Thread For Mid-Atlantic MilAir 2022

[Mark]

60k weight is not that heavy but 132 pallets... Sounds almost C-5M size

 

[Mark]

Next Tuesday Blue Angels due back in Annapolis for practice show on Severn River and Weds as well.
Friday is there USNA graduation flyover.. Maybe Monday just retire to Pax River instead of going all the way
back to Pensacola? I think in the past they also staged out of Andrews.

SOEFINALDRAFT.pdf (usna.edu)

 

[mattl3320]

well today from my location i was listening to the dover air show. and the only thing i was able to hear was someone on 344.200 for like a minute now looking at the post here i think it was the b-2 . next i pick up reach 429 on philadelphia app on 125.400 and he said he was on app with philadelphia and then over to mcguire. Then about 20 minutes later on 237.15 was someone calling mcguire command post asking for help with a pallet unload and some other items. the c 17 reach 429 flew right over my house and threw the bunts air space was cool to see. I will be listening again on sunday hope maybe to hear some more .

 

[mattl3320]

Just heard on 123.025 helicopters talking about B-2 getting ready to fly over Preakness.

yes i also heaed them here talking about the blue angles and thunderbirds on how the flight line crews have to wipe each plane down by hand with a cloth rag after each flight ect.

 

[Hbright]

OT question: Does anyone know where the date prefix on Air Force registration/hex originates from? Is it the fiscal year when money was allotted for the aircraft? Or the year it was handed over to the USAF?

And why do the 2x VC-25s have different registration years (82-8000 and 92-9000) when they were funded/handed over/entered service in the same year.

 

[Mark]

I always thought USAF prefix tails are assigned when calendar year the basic frame/fuselage is set out in the assembly plant.
One example is new McGuire KC-46A #15-46069 which originally started with 2015 fuselage assembly but Boeing put stop
on some tail constructions due to assorted problems.Finally finished up this Month and delivered.
The AF-1 tails were originally used aircraft I believe so they got made up tail #s.
US Navy is easier.. consecutive serial numbers when assigned no matter what type.
#170038 may be a KC-130 and #170039 could be a Chopper or F/18 etc..

Speaking of made up USAF tail numbers..
Odd flight track for WAKE-76 #00-9001 B752 today out of Pease last night suddenly turned North near Gibraltar
and headed towards Ireland for now.Change of plans?

 

[mdmonitor]

VIP Movement Summary 21 May

Coast Guard 101 (C-37 # 01) DCA-Duluth MN-Mobile AL
SAM 068 (C-37 # 21-1949) ADW-New Haven CT-ADW

 

[mdmonitor]

Guys,
Some old pics from when the Northrop Flight Test Facility at BWI was Westinghouse

 

[Mark]

RCH-321 C-17 #05-5149 HI ANG off McGuire Westbound after trip from Germany.
Maybe this is the formula 1 special.Maybe needed to refuel and clear Customs at McGuire.
Flight supposed to be met by Sec of Agriculture in Indiana and lots of news media.

"A military C17 aircraft packed with 132 pallets of formula manufactured at a Nestle plant in Switzerland is due at the International Arrivals terminal at 10:50 a.m. The formula will be transferred from the airport’s cargo plane and packed unto waiting FedEx trucks to make its one mile journey to a nearby Nestle distribution site."

1017 local unknown-11 weak coms checking in on Warren Grove range on 283.100

 

[mdmonitor]

Heads up NY & Canada guys

1000- RAF A-330-200 RRR2125 off Ft Campbel KY heading your way. Currently over Detroit

 

[yow777]

Heads up NY & Canada guys

1000- RAF A-330-200 RRR2125 off Ft Campbel KY heading your way. Currently over Detroit

1034 - Currently working Montreal Center 127.875, destination is RAF Brize Norton.

 

[ZNY3347]

11:00ET - F-16 seen over Allentown area heading south west. Anyone able to pick this up on Harrisburg approach?

 

[mdmonitor]

1130- KAF 3213 (Kuwaiti AF C-17 # KAF343) tranisitng our area heading north. Departed from Charleston AFB. Heads Up NY/Canada. Looks to be heading towards Montreal.

 

[wbagley]

C-32A 98-0001 SAM 892 from Andrews via Anchorage lands at Yokota Air Base in Japan to join AF1 and SAM 46.

 

[wbagley]

I always thought USAF prefix tails are assigned when calendar year the basic frame/fuselage is set out in the assembly plant.
One example is new McGuire KC-46A #15-46069 which originally started with 2015 fuselage assembly but Boeing put stop
on some tail constructions due to assorted problems.Finally finished up this Month and delivered.
The AF-1 tails were originally used aircraft I believe so they got made up tail #s.
US Navy is easier.. consecutive serial numbers when assigned no matter what type.
#170038 may be a KC-130 and #170039 could be a Chopper or F/18 etc..

Joe Baugher writes:

Starting on July 1, 1921 (the beginning of FY 1922) a new serial number system was adopted based on procurement within each Fiscal Year. Each serial number now consisted of a base number corresponding to the last two digits of the FY in which money was allocated to manufacture the aircraft, and a sequence number indicating the sequential order in which the particular aircraft was ordered within that particular FY. For example, airplane 22-1 was the first aircraft ordered in FY 1922, 23-1 was the first example ordered in FY 1923, etc. This system is still in use today.

It is important to recognize that the serial number reflects the Fiscal Year in which the order for the aircraft is placed, NOT the year in which it is delivered. Nowadays, the difference between the time the order is placed and the time the aircraft is actually delivered can be as much as several years.

Exceptions to the Rule
In recent years, the assignment of USAF serial numbers has not always been in strict numerical order within the FY. Furthermore, an aircraft is sometimes listed in a given FY block when it was actually ordered in a different FY. This is most often done for reasons of special convenience. For example, the serials of the two "Air Force One" VC-137s (62-6000 and 72-7000) might indicate that they were ordered ten years apart, whereas the actual difference was only seven years. The Presidential VC-25s were ordered in FY 1986 under the serials 86-8800 and 86-8900, but these numbers were changed to 82-8000 and 92-9000 by special order to create a series following the two earlier VC-137Cs. When some civilian aircraft have been acquired by the USAF, either by purchase or by seizure, serial numbers have sometimes been assigned out of sequence, with their numbers deliberately chosen to match their former civilian registration numbers. Other times, serial number allocation is done for reasons of secrecy, to conceal the existence of classified aircraft from prying eyes. For example, the serial numbers of the F-117s were initially assigned in strict numerical order, but they were sprinkled among several different fiscal years. In other cases, the serial numbers (e.g. the serial numbers for the new F-22 Raptor fighters) were derived from the manufacturer's construction numbers rather than from the sequence in which they were ordered. Another odd example was the A-1 Skyraiders acquired from the Navy for use in Vietnam--they had USAF serial numbers constructed by taking the plane's Navy serial number (Bureau Number) and prefixing in front of it the fiscal year number in which the plane was ordered by the Navy. For example Navy A-1E Skyraider BuNo 132890 became 52-132890 on USAF rolls.

More on the subject on Joe's website:

USASC-USAAS-USAAC-USAAF-USAF Military Aircraft Serial Numbers--1908 to Present (joebaugher.com)

 

[wbagley]

Odd flight track for WAKE-76 #00-9001 B752 today out of Pease last night suddenly turned North near Gibraltar
and headed towards Ireland for now.Change of plans?
View attachment 121766

No change of plans. ADSBExchange coverage out over the water is spotty (it comes from ADS-C satcom), you can hit the 'K' button and get time hacks on the positions:



The times are EDT, over seven hours apart so you know that the plot can't be right.

WAKE 76 made a landing in Marrakesh, Morrocco in between while it was out of the ADSBExchange coverage area.

 

[Mark]

A bit off topic but neat vid of closed George AFB next door to Victorville Logistics airport in California.
Lots of open housing still LOL Closed up in 1988-1992. I didn't hear hosts mention it but a big Federal Pen at Victorville
is also on some land of the former George base.. It opened in 2004.
Exploring the ABANDONED George Air Force Base - YouTube

Also more money needed to keep the current AF-1 planes flying a few more years..
The new Air Force Ones are late, so the old planes need more cash, official says | American Military News

 

[wbagley]

Guys,
Some old pics from when the Northrop Flight Test Facility at BWI was Westinghouse

BAC 1-11 N164W, possibly the last BAC 1-11 to fly, see:

Was this the last flight of the BAC 1-11? - Airport Spotting

A Sabreliner 40, not sure which one.



Obviously an Air Force jet. But which one?



Two Navy F-3Ds seen through the props of a B-29. My guess is that this is the air broadcast Stratovision B-29 that Westinghouse tested with great fanfare during the late 1940s.

 

[ezdropper]

Blue Angels were just up on 237.800 and 284.250, sounds like they landed at Andrews. Someone talking to them on 305.500 possibly ground.

 

[nodak1crdet3]

View attachment 121797

Obviously an Air Force jet. But which one?

Looks like a 2 seat F-101B Voodoo to me.
Chuck in Detroit / NODAK 1