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More F-35 problems

That nose gear collapse is a perennial mishap in aircraft large and small. In this case it appears that the frangible nose gear towing pins that the tow bar hooks to sheared as advertised but unfortunately not before pulling the F-35's nose gear up. I notice that the towed F-35 starts to bounce noticeably in the seconds before assuming the Marine short field landing configuration. The gear pins are not installed for this tow, the large red flags would be very visible if they were.

In this case my initial guesses would be a miscommunication between the brake rider and the tow driver about whether to stop, an inadvertent application of the emergency brake in the F-35 or a hydraulic fault. I can think of incidents over the years where each of these were cited as the cause. I'm guessing Terry Pavlick has anecdotal knowledge of this subject from his work as well.

In August 1999 I was in the crew van in Singapore and we came across the mishap scene below moments after it happened. There was a maintenance procedure to pressurize the hydraulics for the nose gear door with the nose gear pinned so that it would not retract. SIN was an outstation with contract maintenance and they did not have a Boeing 747 nose gear pin. So, they took an Airbus pin, which is smaller, and attached a handle to it. What could possibly go wrong?

When the nose gear doors were cycled by raising the gear handle in the cockpit, one of the doors snagged the handle on the improvised gear pin and pulled it out. A mechanic (known as a 'ground engineer' in Singapore) saw what was going to happen next and departed the gear well moments before the nose gear collapsed. Nobody was hurt, thankfully, and I took out my new Nikon N950 digital camera and took a few pictures before airport security encouraged us to move along, 'nothing to see here folks'.



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The 911 call that was released indicates to me that the pilot was rational and not impaired. He says that he was lower than he should have been on the approach and did not know why. There was no indication that he lost engine power due to something like fuel exhaustion or carburetor icing.

However, in this ATC recording it sounds like the pilot was somewhat disoriented, missing headings and seemingly not able to take a final vector to the initial fix BEGKA for the RNAV (GPS) Runway 14 approach at Montgomery County Airport. He ended up about 100 feet above ground level about a mile from the runway. Normally he would be more like 300 feet above the ground at that point.


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Just heard this morning on the news that the rescue guys had to delay everything because, even though power was shut off, there was an issue of possible static on the lines (the subject comes up sometimes with long MW / HF antennas on the forums..... It was nice to hear that they are aware of long wires getting energized. (by winds etc...)...

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Just heard this morning on the news that the rescue guys had to delay everything because, even though power was shut off, there was an issue of possible static on the lines (the subject comes up sometimes with long MW / HF antennas on the forums..... It was nice to hear that they are aware of long wires getting energized. (by winds etc...)...

Thanks
Joel

One of those things that seems obvious in hindsight, the Navy trained me to let a helo rescue harness touch the water to dissipate the static electricity before you swim over to grab it. (y)
 

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That nose gear collapse is a perennial mishap in aircraft large and small. In this case it appears that the frangible nose gear towing pins that the tow bar hooks to sheared as advertised but unfortunately not before pulling the F-35's nose gear up. I notice that the towed F-35 starts to bounce noticeably in the seconds before assuming the Marine short field landing configuration. The gear pins are not installed for this tow, the large red flags would be very visible if they were.

In this case my initial guesses would be a miscommunication between the brake rider and the tow driver about whether to stop, an inadvertent application of the emergency brake in the F-35 or a hydraulic fault. I can think of incidents over the years where each of these were cited as the cause. I'm guessing Terry Pavlick has anecdotal knowledge of this subject from his work as well.

In August 1999 I was in the crew van in Singapore and we came across the mishap scene below moments after it happened. There was a maintenance procedure to pressurize the hydraulics for the nose gear door with the nose gear pinned so that it would not retract. SIN was an outstation with contract maintenance and they did not have a Boeing 747 nose gear pin. So, they took an Airbus pin, which is smaller, and attached a handle to it. What could possibly go wrong?

When the nose gear doors were cycled by raising the gear handle in the cockpit, one of the doors snagged the handle on the improvised gear pin and pulled it out. A mechanic (known as a 'ground engineer' in Singapore) saw what was going to happen next and departed the gear well moments before the nose gear collapsed. Nobody was hurt, thankfully, and I took out my new Nikon N950 digital camera and took a few pictures before airport security encouraged us to move along, 'nothing to see here folks'.



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I watched the video several times. Too bad the angle is bad on the tow vehicle portion - usually the second guy on the ground would ride watching the aircraft (or be in comms with the pilot/brake rider). Plenty of time there to stop and figure out what was going on. If it was a technical fault - the human side had plenty of time to stop and evaluate. At the speed increase of the tow afterwards - I think eeveryone was faciing forward.

Terry
 

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Delaware ANG has one of their C-130H's #91-1237 up today offshore doing laps with props replaced.
Giving it a good workout at FL20k which is kind of high for C-130H models.
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Bit windy for the roof cam so best I could do as they flew directly over the house.

Was trying to figure out why the real low airspeed.....so took the camera outside......
 

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A few Langley T-38s came through ZID earlier chatting on 298.300 and 340.025. Haven’t heard them use those before; I have the latter in my scanner for CARBONATE at KIAG.

Sounds like a T-38 convention departing IND with GYPSY, AKITA and GROUCH flights leaving before 4:00 pm EST. GYPSY, a flight of three, is air to air with ops checks on 298.3. Jokes about pulling the yellow seat adjustment handles etc.

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Logs in detail from earlier:

BISON 1 (T-38A, 62-3715)
259.100 ZDC > 319.000 ZDC > 322.375 ZID > 263.050 ZID > 269.025 ZID
298.300 tac (w/MAMA 1)

MAMA 1 (2x T-38A, 68-8177/68-8139)
371.900 ZDC > 353.525 ZID > 307.225 ZID > 310.800 ZID
298.300 tac

GROUCH 1 (2x T-38A, 61-0904/70-1574)
319.000 ZDC > 259.100 ZDC > 353.525 ZID > 307.225 ZID > 310.800 ZID
340.025 tac
 
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On Friday, December 1, President Biden will travel to Boston, Massachusetts. Arrival and departure will be at Boston Logan International Airport, 164 Harborside Drive, East Boston, with estimated arrival at 2:25pm and departure at 6:55pm. He is scheduled to visit IBEW 256, Freeport Street #1, in Dorchester.
 

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After attending tonight's State Dinner at the White House, Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III will travel to Palmdale and Simi Valley, California, Dec. 2-3. In Palmdale, he will deliver remarks Dec. 2 at the U.S. Air Force B-21 Raider unveiling ceremony. During the event, the Secretary will highlight the nation’s ability to bring the military and industry together to innovate, adapt, and deliver technology like the B-21 to deter threats and strengthen national security. Additionally, Secretary Austin will underscore the B-21’s role in providing flexible, conventional and nuclear capabilities in support of the National Defense Strategy.
 
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