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[cipher66]

We have three Washington Center freqs that were provided to the CAP fighters by HUNTRESS which were:
247.7...296.7...362.3
None of those three are listed for Washington Center and we're going to have to do some work to find out just what they might be.

Hi Gang,

Don't know if this was mentioned or not, but 296.7 is a ZDC freq.... It's their "all sectors" Special Use Channel. There are 4 such frequencies for all ARTCC's (and yes, some have additional ones). The 4 main are for the NEUS: 296.7= ZDC, 369.9= ZNY, 321.3= ZBW, and 364.8= ZTL/ZOB

PK

 

[Mark]

Thanks TIN,Guess I need new glasses!

Mark

 

[TinEar]

Paul thanks for the clarification on those freqs. The AERO fighter called "Washington Center" on all of them but I guess that's not a big deal since they were just testing comms on them. I notice you also included the 364.8 freq which I had always been puzzled over since almost every CAP flight down this way does a radio check on that freq as ordered by HUNTRESS near the start of the mission.

As of noon, the CAP is still up and running. Currently, it's AERO 23 and 24 along with TANKER 26 that have the duty. AERO 23 also just did a radio check with RENEGADE (Customs) on the primary CAP freq «260.9». Boom freq is still «320.6». I haven't heard them use the chat freq yet so don't know if it's still «369.15» as it was yesterday. I wonder what they did with the CAP overnight during those strong thunderstorms that came through the area about 4 a.m. They didn't wake you? They did me and I came downstairs immediately to disconnect the outdoor antenna from the Stridsberg multicoupler. Temps in the 60s this past week and now thunderstorms. Could this really be January?

 

[JackTV]

I have heard 369.15 this A.M. but to me they sound kinda weak.Almost like they are low in altitude. I will keep listening.

Jack

 

[ka3jjz]

Hey Jack - I wrote you on the previous page, but it wrapped around, and I bet you didn't see it. You had mentioned in a previous message that you get nailed by intermod, particularly bothersome when you are on 141.55. Do you have some idea of what is overloading you? A pager service, taxi, ect? There are a few manufacturers that sell filters - PAR Electronics is one of them, but by no means the only one. Living in an urban area, as most do, you can't hardly avoid getting junk on some freq, no matter how good your setup. 73s Mike

 

[TinEar]

Mike, I'm fairly sure he answered you. See message #1356.

Current pair of F-15 fighters in the CAP (at 1715) is AERO 25 and 26 from Eglin AFB FL. They are using the same chat channel as they were yesterday - 369.15 - but this pair is calling it MAN PRIME and calling the primary CAP freq - 260.9 - as 8 PRIME. The refueler is TANKER 28. Boom freq still 320.6 and is called 10 PRIME. The next fighter pair is due in about 1800 local.

AERO 25 has tail number EG 80-0003.
AERO 26 has tail number EG 79-0037.
EG indicates Eglin AFB FL. Here is a link where you can check those tail letters:
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/history/q0222.shtml

1739: AERO 25 and 27 chatting on 369.15 as 27/28 head up to this area.
1755: AERO 27 checking into the CAP with HUNTRESS on primary 260.9 at FL270. HUNTRESS gives him his Mode 3 assignment and 27 says he's "weapons safe." 27 asks for the bogey dope to TANKER 28. 27 also performs his Alpha check to the bullseye.

1800: AERO 27 and 28 will head for the tanker. 27 going first and tells the tanker that both he and his wingman will need about 15,000 pounds each. «320.6» 27 is going to take 5,000 then let his wingman refuel and then come back for the rest. TANKER 28 has a broken fuel flow indicator so he has to rely on the fighter telling him when he gets the required amount. 27 makes contact with the boom at 1803. 28 hits the boom at 1808 and gets the boom operator to turn up the lights a bit...he had them at half brightness.
AERO 27 has tail number 0031.
AERO 28 has tail number 9036. They don't report the EG this time.
They also report being from the 60th Fighter Squadron at Eglin. (Reported to TANKER 29 at 2001)

TANKER 28 is a KC-135R from Pease AFB NH (KPSM).
Around 1930, AERO 27 and 28 will each take a few thousand pounds of fuel from TANKER 28 before he leaves station. TANKER 29 is on the way in.
1945: TANKER 29 is now on station and has the refueling duties.
1954: AERO 27 is at TANKER 29 for a 12,000 pound topoff. «320.6»

Coming up on 2200 and it seems we have a fuel problem. (Watching football so didn't get all of it.) TANKER 29 is down to 27K of fuel left plus what he needs to get home and no replacement is on the way. He's a KC-135R which burns about 10K of fuel an hour himself which doesn't leave a whole lot left to transfer to the F-15s. One he gets rid of or burns that 27K, he will have to leave for home to have enough for himself to get there.
Also at 2200, AERO 31/32 are on the way in as replacements for 27/28 (29/30 are skipped). They need fuel after the long trip here. The 27/28 pair need fuel to get home. This should prove interesting. Oh, and 31/32 need 13,000 each to top off their tanks. TANKER 29 is telling HUNTRESS (260.9) that after he offloads 13K to each of the two new fighters he'll be at "bingo." (At bingo he must head for home.)
2215: AERO 31 is topped off, 32 is on the boom and so 27/28 are ready to scoot. Not sure what they're going to do for gas on the way home. «260.9/320.6»
2219: TANKER 29 says he's already below bingo and will have to recover at Andrews. «320.6» Therefore, he's giving AERO 32 full tanks - 14,000 pounds. He also said he's got to stay on station.
2219: Meanwhile, AERO 27/28 are with ZDC-Gordonsville on «351.9» at FL270 heading to 280.
2222: TANKER 29 asks HUNTRESS on primary «260.9» to call his SOF at DNS 778-XXXX and let them know they've got to recover into Andrews for fuel. He then tells HUNTRESS he's already 10,000 pounds past his bingo number. He also wants HUNTRESS to contact Andrews to make sure they can accommodate their needs. There hasn't been any explanation I've heard why a replacement tanker didn't show up as scheduled so TANKER 29 could get home. 29 is from Mississippi by the way.
2226: AERO 27 confirming he's direct Eglin «351.9» The 27/28 pair is also chatting their way home on the «369.15» freq.
2228: TANKER 29 says they've got to go somewhere else other than Andrews because winds are exceeding limits for them to land there. «260.9»

Meanwhile, on my webcast scanner I happened to hear Anne Arundel County Western District dispatcher (TG1680) talking about 2,000 homes without electric power and the number is growing. I have no idea why. I'd guess wind damage. I later hear there is a tree down across power lines. I believe he mentioned Rt 178 and Waterbury Road. It's about 100 feet off General's Highway.
At 2315, I'm hearing the same thing from Harford County about trees down across power lines and roads blocked. BGE is responding slowly due to high level of calls from all over the area. Same calls coming in from PG County about trees and wires down. I know this info shouldn't be here. Mea culpa.

2232: TANKER 29 is getting info from HUNTRESS for alternate landing sites but I can't hear this HUNTRESS ground stsation so I don't know where he's going. «260.9»
2235: TANKER 29 says he's also at bingo for the alternate site so they better hurry to get his clearance. He's going to try to make it to McGhee Tyson Airport which is in Knoxville Tennessee. «260.9»
2237: TANKER 29 with GUARD DOG on «288.35» wants his clearance right now and again repeats that he's at bingo for McGhee Tyson...he wants clearance up to 36,000 feet. GUARD DOG gets his clearance for him and sends him on his way. He's right on the verge of not having enough fuel for this location but doesn't sound panicky at all. McGhee Tyson is ICAO designator KTYS. TANKER 29 also said every other airport they considered for recovery exceeded wind limits for them to land there. GUARD DOG handed 29 off to another ZDC freq but it was a VHF freq which I don't program so I can't follow him. Not much to listen to anyway at this point.
2239: Meanwhile, TANKER 30 is on «260.9» contacting HUNTRESS as he approaches the area as a replacement. He must have been a scramble because 30 minutes ago 29 was talking about having to stay way past his normal relief time. Of course, if they had done this earlier, TANKER 29 wouldn't have had to give all his fuel to AERO 31/32. He could have given them an hour's worth and had plenty for himself to get home to Mississippi.
NOTE: Info for McGhee Tyson Airport...location Knoxville TN. It has two 9,000 foot runways - 5R/23L and 5L/23R. It's no accident that airport was selected. It's the home of the 134th Air Refueling Wing of the TN-ANG which is also equipped with KC-135 aircraft. Command Post there is callsign SODA and/or SODA CAN and works frequency 303.0 while ANG Ops uses 143.8.
2255: AERO 31 calls TANKER 30 several times on boom freq «320.6» with no reply.
2257: HUNTRESS wakes up the tanker and AERO 31 is able to make contact with the tanker on boom freq. 31 is heading for the boom from his current position 1 mile behind the tanker and is going to fill up. «320.6»
AERO31 has tail number 79-0041.
2359: AERO 32 on the tanker's boom for 9,000 pounds to top off. «320.6»
And that's enough...END OF REPORT

 

[ka3jjz]

You're right, TinEar- traffic on this thread has been so busy, it's hard to keep up with all the messages...
I was listening on 260.9 a bit this afternoon; one pilot got a weather rpt saying it was clear out west, but here we are socked in with showers (and now some snow showers are setting up on wx radar). It made me wonder where the heck it was clear, then it dawned on me - above a certain flight level?
I had some tfc on 320.6 as well, but a 2 hour scan of the full file turned up almost nil, except a few flights on the usual 119.3 Andrews freq - probably because the winds are now really starting to kick in.
73s Mike

 

[JackTV]

Mike,
I got your message but if you did not see it I am getting alot of intermod on the 152 & 153 pagers.I even get a harmonic of the pagers on UHF 307.9 BWI APP.I put in 307.905 and the harmonic is not there.Weird huhhh?sorry i did not respond back have been in and out all day.

See Yah,
Jack

 

[ka3jjz]

No sweat Jack...it was my turn for a mea culpa - I didn't see your original response because the page wrapped with all the activity, and I didn't see that.
TinEar, I hope you recorded all that activity with the Tanker getting close to bingo. That's the sort of stuff that makes for a 'keeper'. I was listening on HF last nite (got a couple of nice Africans) so I missed all of that, darn it. 73s Mike

 

[TinEar]

Mike, no, I didn't record that TANKER 29 activity last night. Recording what I hear would add yet another level of work that I just don't have time for.

Turned the radios on a few minutes ago just to check on the CAP and find TANKER 34 just getting established in the CAP at 1147. The F-15 Eglin pair is currently AERO 37 and 38.
There is concern again today about the winds. TANKER 34 is reporting winds aloft at 113 knots from 345 degrees. AERO flight leader checks on the surface winds at Andrews and finds out they're in excess of 35 knots so he wants is SOF notified and gives the DNS so HUNTRESS can make the call. I took that to mean that the winds at Andrews would prevent them from landing there in an emergency.
Frequencies in use are 260.9 as primary CAP freq, 320.6 and boom freq and I presume 369.15 for air-to-air chat although they haven't used it since I joined in. AERO 37 is currently with the tanker getting a topoff at noon.

Back later....

1238: Sounds like HUNTRESS is breaking up the CAP - or at least getting rid of this tanker shift. He just told TANKER 34 to RTB. 34 kept asking if he was sure and finally agreed that was a good thing so he could get home and watch a little 'ball. «260.9» Right after that, the AERO pair said to switch to 8 AUX and came up on 369.15. But, as soon as they got there, they said to push 8 PRIME which took them to yet another air-to-air freq which I couldn't recover. The 8 PRIME wasn't for CAP primary or boom freq since those were being monitored at the same time. Anyway, since TANKER 34 had just filled both fighters I guess his shift would have been up before they needed fuel again anyway so common sense prevailed over regulations that require a tanker up there. Or that's my interpretation of it anyway.
Further listening indicates the CAP was ended at that time. All done until next weekend. One of the pilots yesterday mentioned the Eglin unit will be back next weekend and possibly the weekend after that.

 

[TinEar]

1230: A pair of fighters (sound like F-16s) flying through our area using tac «139.9». This is not the DC-ANG who use this freq for SOF use.
Last transmissions from the pair heard at 1242. This seems to be a common freq for chat during cross country flights for some group of fighters from the northeast. I suspect it's the MAPLE flights from the VT-ANG at Burlington. They travel often to and from Shaw AFB SC. Because it's just two pilots chatting, hearing a callsign is very rare.
1245: The Northrup-Grumman test flight pair is working on «123.225»

1302: OMAHA 1 (Customs) up on «282.425»

 

[TinEar]

0939: JOSA 634 reports airborne from Andrews at 1435Z «378.1»
0940: BULLY 1 (F-16 DC-ANG Andrews) with ZDC-Joliet «239.05» single ship at 12,000 feet.
0940: BULLY 1 with ZDC-Modena «335.6» 12,000...couple of minutes later handed off to BWI 307.9
0941: BULLY 1 with SOF on «139.9» reporting mission results. 69 miles north of Andrews at this time.
0944: BULLY 1 to Potomac TRACON (BWI) «307.9» heading down to 10,000....leaving 10 for 8,000
0946: BULLY 1 down to 6,000 and handed off to TRACON (Reagan) 269.0 «307.9»
0947: BULLY 1 with TRACON descending to 6,000 «269.0»
0947: U/I UC-35 heading for Andrews...arriving in 20 minutes with A-5 on board.
0949: BULLY 1 leaving 6,000 for 2,000 feet «269.0»
0951: BULLY 1 handed off to Andrews Tower by TRACON «269.0»
0952: BULLY 1 with Andrews Tower on 10 miles final «349.0»
0955: RAVAGE (F-16 DC-ANG) flight of four up on tac «139.15»
0959: RAVAGE flight is coming home....wingman off to SOF on «139.9» to report mission results.

1001: RAVAGE flight also coming home from the north....reporting to TRACON (BWI) on «317.425» Handed off to Reagan TRACON on 269.0
1002: RAVAGE flight with TRACON heading for runway 19R.
1003: Pair of RAVAGE pilots chatting on «139.15» as they pass over the Naval Academy saying they can show the midshipmen what a "real" fighter looks like.
1005: RAVAGE flight has the field in sight «269.0» handed off to tower
1005: RAVAGE flight reporting as a flight of four heading for runway 19R to Andrews Tower on «349.0»
1006: Have a U/I aircraft with McGuire Command Post on «319.4» asking if TEAM 23 or 24 are on this frequency. He says he's just about to pass by McGuire. (TEAM=KC-10A McGuire AFB NJ)
1010: The last of the RAVAGE F-16s has reported gear down, full stop landings. «349.0»
1010: Have a YANKEE 21 flight (A-10 CT-ANG Bradley) onto the Warren Grove Range using «283.1»
1012: Have a KC-135R tanker from the NY-ANG Niagara Falls - FUZZY 22 - with McGuire Command Post on «319.4» landing there in about 15 minutes. He says he has to swap out some test equipment and will only be on the ground for a short time. Tail number reported as 63-7981. At 1021 he's given parking spot B-1.
1020: There's a VIPER 01 with BayWatch on «354.8» reports descending to 4,000 feet. (VIPER callsign too common to identify it without much more info.)
1025: JOSA 792 arriving at Andrews 1545Z, is A-1, has tail #84-0090, is offloading an A-7 plus 5 pax, needs 2500 pounds of fuel.
1027: YANKEE 31 with ZNY-Matawan «282.3»
1028: VIPER 01 leaving the Pax River area to return to Andrews at 4,000 feet. «354.8» (The Andrews VIPER 01 has been identified as a C-12 aircraft belonging to an unknown unit at Andrews. That's all the info I have for him.)
1031: YANKEE 31 flight handed off by Matawan and now with ZNY-Ship Bottom «307.8» requesting 16,000 feet.
1042: VENUS 23 heading for Andrews «378.1»
1043: U/I fighters working tac «138.75»
1044: TESTER 09 working with Pax River on «256.5»
1048: YANKEE 31 flight of four A-10s from the CT-ANG with ZDC-Salisbury «257.7» at 16,000...requesting 18,000...they don't get it and maintain 16,000 (Bet this is the flight on 138.75)
1050: And a TESTER 08 with BayWatch on «354.8»
1058: YANKEE 31 requesting block atltitude 15-16,000 and gets it «257.7»

1101: Confirm the «138.75» tac freq is the YANKEE 31 flight of four A-10s. They are reporting visual contact with a 3-ship flight. Believe he said it was a YANKEE 21 flight.
1105: YANKEE 31 reporting direct Cape Charles, direct Langley «257.7» and descending to 12,000.
1108: YANKEE 31 flight handed off from ZDC-Salisbury to Norfolk Approach on 370.925
1108: YANKEE 31 with Norfolk Approach (East) on «370.925» now from 14-15,000
1111: VIPER 01 asks Andrews Tower on «118.4» if he has a pair of binoculars and can confirm his landing gear is down. Apparently it was since he next reports he's prepared to land.
1116: YANKEE 31 flight with Norfolk Approach (West) on «360.6»
1118: Have another U/I fighter flight working tac «138.825»
1126: TROOPER 9 (MD State Police) with Andrews Approach and Tower «119.3/118.4» for landing. Heard him earlier with Martin State as he took off.
1127: YANKEE 11 flight of two A-10s with ZDC-Coyle «254.3» at FL200. (At 1131 handed off to Sea Isle)
1131: YANKEE 11 flight with ZDC-Sea Isle «281.45» checking in at FL200. (Fairly sure these are the pair working tac «138.825» (Handed off to Salisbury)
1132: TESTER 18 reporting mission complete and RTB to BayWatch on «270.8»
1136: YANKEE 11 with ZDC-Salisbury «257.7» check in at FL200. Requesting FL240.
1137: PACER 96 calling Andrews on «378.1» No reply to several calls so tries «141.55» with the same result.
1142: YANKEE 11 flight wants to go back down to FL200. He says the winds up at 240 are just too strong. «257.7»
1144: YANKEE 11 says he's heading for area W-72A. «257.7» Over on chat «138.825» they are talking about contacting Giant Killer when they get a little closer. This is looking like the setup for a large exercise sometime later today with all these A-10s coming down from Bradley. They are also now leaaving FL240 for 210 and then to 200.
1149: YANKEE 11 flight reports on a heading of 217. «257.7»
(When the YANKEE 11 flight went up to 24,000 feet, one of them on the tac freq said he was pedalling as fast as he could and still was only making 230 knots.)
1151: JOSA 793 reports airborne from Andrews at 1650Z «141.55»
1152: AIRGUN 71 flight (1st Fighter Wing Langley) into GIANT KILLER's area on «238.1»
1153: YANKEE 11 flight has made it down to FL220. «257.7»
1157: YANKEE 11 flight handed off to Norfolk by ZDC «257.7» He mentions freq 370.92(5) and then goes to tac «138.825» to give his wingman the freq.
1158: Langley tac freq «315.85» active...it's the AIRGUN flight...giving "fight's on" command for an air combat exercise.

Continued below if necessary......

 

[TinEar]

1203: YANKEE 11 flight with Norfolk Approach on «370.925» but too weak to copy.
1203: REACH 895 with Langley Command Post on «311.0» arriving there in 30 minutes, has 4,000 pounds of gas on board along with 14 souls, requests parking spot and for Customs and Ag to meet the plane.
1219: Have a U/I Langley flight working tac «252.775» and then into GK's area on «249.8» and back to tac for their work. Just didn't get there in time to hear the callsign.

NOTE: Another Falcon Virgo exercise is due toward the end of the week. This exercise has involved the DC-ANG F-16s, Customs helos and fixed wing and other aircraft from around the area in low level flights around D.C. in the past.

1230: PECOS 91 flight (1st Fighter Wing Langley) into Giant Killer's area on «249.8» at FL170 for 230. He'll be in the area for 20 minutes.
1231: DATSUN 81 flight (1st Fighter Wing Langley) into Giant Killer's area on «249.8» also going to FL230 to work with PECOS.
1232: PECOS requesting higher altitude for weather reasons. «249.8»
1232: PECOS flight switching to MAN PRIME...comes up on GK's «233.7» at FL270 and requesting 280
1233: DATSUN 81 flight also to «233.7» with the same request.
1238: Langley's tac freq «257.075» active.
1243: PECOS 93, IDs as a flight of two F-15s into GK's area on «249.8» reports he'll be working with the PECOS 91 and DATSUN 81 flights. Says he's in the weather (clouds) at 20,000 and out at 23,000.

Sure got quiet....

1324: JOSA 975 to SAM Command on «378.1» Female pilot reports taking off from Pax River (KNHK) at 1815Z and wants to know if Andrews can put that into the TACC system.
And here they come...
1330: Fighters on tac «138.425» We'll see if these are NJ-ANG F-16s.
1331: The fighters on «138.425» are a flight of two NJ-ANG F-16s using callsigns DEVIL 11 and 12.
1332: WILD 1 (F-16 DC-ANG Andrews) airborne and with TRACON on «348.725» climbing out.
1333: AIRGUN 71 (1st FW Langley) with GK on «249.8»
1335: WILD 1 handed off to ZDC-Calvert «281.4» where he reports as a single ship flight leaving 17,500 for 21,000 feet.
1336: GK's operations freq «312.3» active.
1338: AIRGUN 71 flight on GK's ops freq «391.2»
1339: DEVIL 11 flight switching to U-19 and come up on GK's «255.0» (For the Wiki Chuck) where they report heading direct (blocked) and then to Warren Grove.
1340: REACH 2110 landing Andrews with Approach «119.3»
1343: WILD 1 handed off to ZDC-Franklin VA «269.4» where he checks in as a single ship (fades)
1344: BULLY 1 (F-16 DC-ANG), flight of two, off the deck at Andrews and with TRACON on «348.725» at 1,000 feet, cleared to 6,000, 250 knots...then cleared up to 17,000. They are using «139.15» for tac.
1349: BULLY 1 to flight on the ground at Andrews saying they are being spun during departure so if the flight on the ground hurries he might catch them. «139.15»
1350: BULLY 1 flight handed off to ZDC-Calvert on «281.4»
1351: BULLY 1 flight out of 17 for 19,000...then out of 17 for 20,000. «281.4»
1352: BULLY 1 flight wants to cancel IFR and switch to Pax Approach. «281.4»
1353: BULLY 1 calling DARKSTAR on tac «139.15» to say they were delayed on the ground and would like to work 15 or less. DARKSTAR says that RAMBO and TIGER have been notified. I think DARKSTAR may be the WILD 1 flight that took off a little earlier. There was also a mention of ROLEX in there but I didn't catch the reference.
1356: U/I flight into GK's area on «238.1»
1356: BULLY 3 off the ground and with TRACON on «348.725» climbing to 17,000...handed off to ZDC at 1358
1358: BULLY 3 to ZDC-Calvert on «281.4» checking in and headed up to FL220. Ground tells him he can only go to FL210 for now.

Continued below....

 

[TinEar]

1400: BULLY 3 to BULLY 1 on tac «139.15» reports he's in a 55 mile trail. BULLY 1 tells him to try to hurry to catch his flight and mentions ROLEX in 15 minutes.
On ATC freqs, they are BULLY 11, 12 and 13.
1403: RIDER 71 (1st FW Langley) into GK's area on «238.1» FL210.
1404: BULLY 3 cleared to 23,000 «281.4» and handed off to ZDC-Frankin on 269.4 but I never hear him check in there. He's still loud enough because I hear him talking to the rest of the flight on tac «139.15»
1409: TROOPER 11 (MD State Police) with Martin State Tower on «121.3» for a full stop landing. Sounds like a fixed wing aircraft.
I'm logging these TROOPER aircraft above 10 with respect to another thread talking about the role of various TROOPER medevac helos and fixed wing and operational numbers that only go up to 10.
1411: Wherever the BULLY/WILD flights have gone, they're now out of listening range.
1413: JOSA 649 to McGuire Command Post on «319.4» arriving in 30 minutes, A-1, tail #40076, 5 pax, a D/V-1 and needs 3,000 pounds of fuel.
1413: ?PECOS? 91 with GK on «238.1» and mentions working ops freq «391.2»
1421: Langley tac freqs «228.175/252.775» active.
1422: Several flights over the past few minutes have worked with Norfolk Approach (East) on «370.925» but are too weak to copy.
1425: DATSUN 81 (1st FW Langley) flight into GK's area on «238.1» at 17,000
1444: Sounds like one of the Andrews F-16s flights is coming back north....heard someone on ZDC-Calvert «281.4» say he could fly direct Richmond, direct Andrews if necessary. Has that F-16 sound.
1447: Yes, the BULLY/WILD flights are coming home...they report to SOF on «139.9» about their mission results with ordnance expended and report 69 miles south of Andrews.
1450: WILD 1 approaching Andrews...with Reagan TRACON on «270.275»
1451: JOSA 785 calling SAM Command on «378.1» No reply.
1452: The BULLY flight changed tac freqs somewhere along the way, they are now using «143.15» on the way home.
1453: Langley tac freq «228.45» active
1454: JOSA 785 to SAM Command on «378.1» arriving in 20 minutes, is A-1, tail #40077, has 4 Duty Pax - one of which is a V -4.
1456: DATSUN 81 using tac «252.775» and then to GK's «249.8» to report RTB and is a two ship flight.
1456: BULLY 3 went to fetch the ATIS report and comes back to tac «143.15» with the report.
1457: BULLY flight to SOF WATERGATE on «139.9» Codes 1/1/2 for BULLY 1/2/3. Give mission results. They go back to V-6 rather than where they were.
1459: UPSET 44 (KC-135R, 128th ARG, WI-ANG Milwaukee) arriving Andrews with 7 crew and 1 pax. Called on «378.1» and got no reply so went to «141.55» to make contact. He's given a parking spot in 11 row.

1505: BULLY flight of three with Reagan TRACON on «270.275» as they approach Andrews for landing.

Got to run and so this is the...END OF REPORT...until later. We've still got all those A-10s from the CT-ANG Bradley deployed to the Langley area for some work today - I think. They should be up sometime soon and no telling what will develop along with it. Wish I could stay to listen but....

 

[n3bxv]

1339: DEVIL 11 flight switching to U-19 and come up on GK's «255.0» (For the Wiki Chuck) where they report heading direct (blocked) and then to Warren Grove.
.

Done! 177th FW Wiki updated

 

[TinEar]

Way to go Chuck.

1750: Ramp freeze in effect at Andrews until 1820. «141.55»
1750: TRAP 91 (1st FW Langley) with ZDC-Cape Charles «256.8» FL230 handed off to Giant Killer.
1751: TRAP 91 with GK on «249.8» FL230 will work in the area for the next 30 minutes.
I came in at the end of another flight entering GK's area using «233.7» a few minutes earlier but heard no callsign.
1753: TRAP 91 reports they'll be at reduced lighting during the flight. «249.8» They switch to 16 PRIME.
1753: TRAP 91 flight comes up on GK's ops freq «389.1» It's a flight of four.
1756: JOSA 707 in the pattern at Andrews waiting for the ramp freeze to end so he can land. «141.55»
1757: TRAP flight doing air combat exercise...1/2 versus 3/4....1/2 will stay below 20,000 feet and 3/4 will be free-ranging. «389.1»

1803: One of the TRAPs mentions turning on afterburner and climbing to the high 30s. «389.1»
1806: PACER 96 to SAM Command on «378.1» Says he's holding to the south and wondering how long he has to wait for the ramp freeze to end. Didn't hear the answer but earlier ground said 1820.
1809: RAPID flight (1st FW Langley) into GK's area on «233.7»
1814: Have a BOXER (no suffix heard) (C-38, 201st ALS Andrews) on squadron freq «314.25» talking about the ramp freeze. He says he's right over the top of Andrews.
1825: BICEP 11 (F-16 NJ-ANG Atlantic City) with ZDC-Cape Charles «256.8» Handed off to Pax River. Flight of two.
1826: BICEP flight working V-15 tac «138.425»
1829: BICEP 11 flight into Pax River with BayWatch at 15,000...reports they'll be MARSA with an AERO 21 flight. Playtime 30 minutes....apparently not heard here so he switches to «270.8» and repeats the whole thing.
1833: TRAP flight with GK on «249.8» reporting RTB.
1833: AERO 21 (F-16 NJ-ANG) with ZDC-Cape Charles «256.8» no reply and then to ZDC-Casino «285.4» to report no contact and then to ZDC-Salisbury «257.7» to check in. Flight of two.
1837: TRAP 91 flight with Norfolk Approach (East) «370.925»
1838: AERO flight working tac «138.875»
1840: AERO 21 flight into BayWatch area on «270.8»
1841: BICEP switches to «138.875» to work out areas with AERO. He tells AERO they have 10,000 and below and to go to the southern end of the area. BICEP says they'll stay 11,000 and above and go to the Vienna (MD) area to work. BICEP back to their own tac «138.425»
1832: BICEP 11 asking for bogey dope and 12 is playing the part of DARKSTAR. «138.425»
1846: GK's operational freq «292.3» active.
1848: BICEP flight eyeballing a couple of intruders into their area...one described as a C-130 and the other just as a "heavy."
1848: AERO flight using NVGs. «138.875»
1850: GK's operational freq «373.1» active.
1858: BICEP leader says they'll do their last maneuver...the area around Vienna is closed up and unusable. (Clouds obscure the area.) «138.425»

1900: AERO 21 flight also finds area unusable...checking out with BayWatch on «270.8»
1901: BICEP 11 flight does the same although they are working their last exercise on tac freq. It's an air intercept with tail number reading. «270.8» and then «138.425»
1906: BICEP 11 at 14,000 and descending to 11,000 ready to RTB «270.8»...later push 277.4
1909: BICEP 11 with ZDC-Kenton «277.4» check in at 11,000
1910: GRAYHAWK (blocked) with ZDC-Kenton «277.4»
1910: BICEP 12 to Ops «261.0» to report Codes
1912: Primary refueling freq «238.9» active...meeting at IP at 42 after the hour
1912: BICEP 11 descending to 8000 «277.4»
1912: AERO 21 with ZDC-Kenton on «277.4» at 11,000
1912: AERO reports goggles off «138.875» and slowing to 350
1913: Langley SOF freq «383.2» active
1914: BICEP 11 with Atlantic City Approach on «327.125» descending to 3,000...heading for runway.
1919: U/i flight into GK's area on «238.1» Sounded like he said he'd be MARSA with BADGER
1919: AERO 22 to Ops on «261.0» to report Codes.
1928: The two aircraft on refueling primary «238.9» again talking about meeting at the IP at 0042Z. Looks like they'll both be on time.
1931: SONIC 21 flight (1st FW Langley) into GK's area on «238.1» until 1830 local.
1939: Langley tac freq «233.525» active.
1945: Langley tac freq «257.075» active.

Just came back after leaving for an hour or so and hear...
2107: SAM 9770 with Andrews Approach on «119.3» doing ILS approaches

 

[baydog]

A while back an extensive list of DC/MD/VA/PA mil air frequencies was posted on this list. If one was to develop,a sort best bets for listening, what would be the mil air frequencies on such a short list. I'm about 12 miles SE of BWI.

David

 

[TinEar]

Baydog, I'm a bit closer to BWI than you but you're still in the same general area as I am so you should hear what I hear. It comes down to what you want to listen to if you don't want the whole list. For starters, go into the database and under PG County you'll see a link for Andrews AFB. Load all those freqs. Next, do the same for Martin State Airport under Baltimore County. Then go to NJ, Atlantic County and do the same for Atlantic City Airport which will give you all the NJ freqs since they often operate down this way. Somewhere recently, Mike provided a link to the list of all the freqs that were mentioned in our daily logs. Pick and choose from that list. Pick out the freqs for the Combat Air Patrol (CAP) that was run this past weekend and load those too since they said they'd be back up this coming weekend. Finally, as you get into it, you can start picking freqs out of the daily logs that might interest you. And if you really get into MilAir listening, just holler and I'll give you my lists.

Alan

 

[ka3jjz]

Baydog, send me your email address via pmail, and the lists I have are yours. In fact, I've recently split off the Pax River freqs from the rest to make maintaining my lists a bit easier, but remerging them is a no brainer.
The ARTCC freqs TinEar mentions (anything marked 'ZDC') can be had directly from the RRDB.
So that I can make the list a bit more meaningful, what scanner(s) will you be using? There are some, for example, that cannot hear the 138-144 mhz band in the AM mode (the 895, for instance). You need to be able to hear the 225-380 and 138-144 mhz freqs in AM for this to work.
A short list? I'd definitely keep 260.9 and 360.2 handy during the weekends; I wouldn't omit 360.7 (SWANN sector) either. TinEar's lists are much better xrefing the various callsigns (no way I could keep up with that!), but I think I can get you started here, no sweat.
Needless to say, a good non directional antenna and coax to feed it are musts. 73s Mike

[edit] Baydog, if you're using a Pc program control your scanner(s), I might be able to rebuild some lists for you - particularly if your program can accept a csv (comma seperated values) input. That would save you some keying.
Something else that TinEar mentions constantly is the Terminal Radar Approach Control, or TRACON. That could take a whole list of explain, but basically it encompasses the approach and departure routes for Reagan, Dulles, BWI, Andrews (and I think Richmond is the Southern tip of the Potomac TRACON). You will see on many older lists these freqs split off as approach/departure freqs for individual airports; they are listed with their old identifier (i.e. Reagan TRACON) here to associate them with the space in which they cover
Both the ARTCC and TRACON freqs are linked on the Delmarva Milcom Monitoring page under the Air Traffic Control section
And finally a tip - if you are using Excel 2003 or Office XP, you can make Excel import the page as a web page, then edit it down to fit your needs. Again, this could save you a whole bunch of typing. Just type in the appropriate question in the Excel assistant and it'll give you the scoop. It's not all that difficult, and it may make entering data a lot easier.

 

[Mark]

Earlier tonite heard brief coms while freq searching on 360.500.Sounded like A/A talking about making a turn and callsign sounded like LOTUS 10.
Have neither that callsign or freq...Possibly Navy aircraft?