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TCA PRC-152a forums, user groups?

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Looking for user groups or forums for owners of the TCA prc-152 or 152a versions. Google has not turned up any nor does such a group exist on groups.io. I find it hard to believe that there isn’t a place for users to discuss this radio and feature set.

thanks in advance

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I don't think these radios deserve a spot on RR. They would be more suited for an air soft or paint ball forum.


A TRUE PRC-152 is covered in the Harris forums. The China $300 special is no more than a Baofeng in a fancy case. I assume these forum you posted this in is sufficient as is all other CCR's
 

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Hmmm?? Surely this is a scanner and monitoring site primarily. Why not erase the Motorola forum and refer those people to Batlabs? Does Harris and Thales even sell the PRC148 and PRC152 radios to individuals? If they did, who has $8,000 for the PRC6809 or the Motorola APX8000. You guys need to take a chill pill.
 

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I’ve sold loads of these radios and they’re very reliable, ultra tough, have very reliable interconnect facilities. Sure, they’re a dual band simple radio but the people who spend the money are real enthusiasts. People spending this money could buy ten Baofengs, and you can buy plastic cases and hide a Baofeng inside, but they don’t. I figured I’d sell the odd one, but the factory deliver me five at a time and they don’t sit around long. They are better made than any of the other radios I sell now. They get terribly abused but everything is tough, including TNC antenna connectors. the 148 is more expensive and just as good, but not better. Just a less interesting design.
 

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They are still a copycat radio (in looks only) and the main buyers seem to be airsoft and paintball users who want a military look but can't get the real radios. Its not something your typical amateur radio operator or GMRS/MURS or other radio operator would purchase, its an accessory for other hobbies.


I’ve sold loads of these radios and they’re very reliable, ultra tough, have very reliable interconnect facilities. Sure, they’re a dual band simple radio but the people who spend the money are real enthusiasts. People spending this money could buy ten Baofengs, and you can buy plastic cases and hide a Baofeng inside, but they don’t. I figured I’d sell the odd one, but the factory deliver me five at a time and they don’t sit around long. They are better made than any of the other radios I sell now. They get terribly abused but everything is tough, including TNC antenna connectors. the 148 is more expensive and just as good, but not better. Just a less interesting design.
 

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I agree, copycat in appearance but not performance. However, there is a user base which includes airsoft and re-enactors, etc. It is the user base that I am interested in, mainly for in depth usage information. I just ordered the TCA PRC-152 and would like other owners to share their experience with me. Mods, programming, etc would be great. I read more positive remarks about the TCA than the TRI version.

Originally I believe the internals were Baofeng or Baojie but the current generation appear to have better behavior than the originals. There are threads on AR15.com and M4carbine.net where users discuss these radios but I can't find a forum dedicated to these.

At this point I'm wondering if I would have been happier with the PRC-148 over the 152.
 

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Absolutely - totally agree with you. It's a specialist item, and the owners put up with the crazy pricing - a spare battery pack can easily be £70 and I make about £8 - and not a huge amount more on the radios. The military style connectors can cost more than a Baofeng!

I've been into radios since 1980 - I can't find (for my own appreciation rules) any practical difference with the 148 design, although the recessed volume is a neat design. I think it's just a bit boring? The buyers keep in touch and while they could buy direct, these things ALWAYS get VAT and handling applied on port of entry - I just paid UPS over £150 in VAT for a delivery due. The airlift folk accept the cost as part of their hobby, but the factory I buy from offer me accessories but they're crazily expensive - A remote PTT I sell for £49 - the factory want £40 plus shipping, and import shipping is amazingly expensive now - the 5 radios in transit was $120 for UPS - and it's not a huge box. So they buy from me I think because they know I'm not making a fortune but am easy to phone up and spend ages discussing the exact size of a NATO jack plug, and what is the mod to convert remote PTTs to work with old PRC-152s (which is a two wire swap). They're very keen on their hobby, and they asked me to get some of the longer antennas - and they're rather odd. 33cm 78cm and 108cm - with two or three folds. My tests show the 33cm has a tiny but more gain than the stock antenna but the longer ones are far too long - and they're made from curved flexible steel - like tape measures, so the long one fold really easy. They are base loaded, but even though huge - are really not very good at all, compared to their length - but what you can do is tuck it under the webbing from the radio in the pouch and the top bit sticks up over your head and shoulders - this seems to be what makes them work - the stock antenna in a pocket is a bit rubbish because of blocking. I do some 60 and 100cm extension cables too - and you can do similar with them. I really didn't expect them to be popular, and I didn't expect the users to be really nice people.
 
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Hmmm?? Surely this is a scanner and monitoring site primarily. Why not erase the Motorola forum and refer those people to Batlabs? Does Harris and Thales even sell the PRC148 and PRC152 radios to individuals? If they did, who has $8,000 for the PRC6809 or the Motorola APX8000. You guys need to take a chill pill.
Bob,

If you notice RR has various forums for scanning, monitoring, etc. and I chose this specific forum for my post as it really does not pertain to scanning, monitoring, etc. Yes, individuals can purchase the real 148 and 152 if you have a boat load of cash but unfortunately most of us don't. My reason to own one is the wish to learn more about features (or lack thereof) and programming, apparently that is the challenge. I'm not into airsoft, paintball or re-enactment, I'm just a lover of unique radios.

By the way, the KOA in Travelers Rest is one of the best campgrounds in the South.
 

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I would say that having been a volunteer EMT and DOT First Responder for nearly 20 years, that the 16 channel Motorola HT750 I carried was an adjunct to the actual mission. Too few channels for 2 meters and the wrong band for GMRS. It always seem to be in the way when using the jaws and was one more thing to decontaminate after a medical call. I guess it depends on how one looks at communications. The milsim/airsoft guys are running interesting ops on a weekly basis and as Paulears indicates, are constantly working on their setups. Seems to be as legit for a forum as the ones at the bottom of RR.
 

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A TRUE PRC-152 is covered in the Harris forums. The China $300 special is no more than a Baofeng in a fancy case. I assume these forum you posted this in is sufficient as is all other CCR's

Correct. If it's a true PRC-152, use the Harris forum.

If it's a Baofeng or equivalent knockoff, you can use the Budget & Entry Level Transceivers forum.
 

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Correct. If it's a true PRC-152, use the Harris forum.

If it's a Baofeng or equivalent knockoff, you can use the Budget & Entry Level Transceivers forum.

The first line of my original post spells out TCA, not Harris so right there should be the first clue that this is not the "real" thing.

Historically there were other threads in this forum also for the TRI versions. People don't need to get their panties in a knot over such a simple request here on RR.
 

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They're very keen on their hobby, and they asked me to get some of the longer antennas - and they're rather odd. 33cm 78cm and 108cm - with two or three folds. My tests show the 33cm has a tiny but more gain than the stock antenna but the longer ones are far too long - and they're made from curved flexible steel - like tape measures, so the long one fold really easy. They are base loaded, but even though huge - are really not very good at all, compared to their length - but what you can do is tuck it under the webbing from the radio in the pouch and the top bit sticks up over your head and shoulders - this seems to be what makes them work - the stock antenna in a pocket is a bit rubbish because of blocking. I do some 60 and 100cm extension cables too - and you can do similar with them. I really didn't expect them to be popular, and I didn't expect the users to be really nice people.

Mine arrived today with the short foldable antenna which so far allows me to hear several vhf and uhf repeaters in a 30 mile range. The bottom appears to be a load of sorts with the foldable portion screwing into the load. Stock antenna from TCA, overall length ~18 inches.

Audio is typical of analog FM signals, sounds as good as any Kenwood, Yaesu or Icom I have had in the past. I have not make a contact yet, still listening and adding memory channels with the front buttons.

Waiting on software and cable from Hong Kong to possibly enable computer programming of memories. Gotta watch and not get a lot of accessories that I probably won't use.
 

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There is a pretty active Facebook group for these. Search TRI/TCA PRC-152 and it will come up.

Agreed with the above though.. inside it is basically a baofeng. Audio is crappy, but then again so is the audio on a real 152 without a headset. They are however more user-friendly than the real deal.

They are huge and serve no purpose other than looking cool and getting dressed up and larping in mom's/friend's mom's basements.
 

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I rather like the comment on inside these radios are just a Baofeng, exactly the same comment could be applied to Icom, Yaesu, TYT, Kenwood and dozens of others. I have quite an expensive repeater - inside the unit are what appear to be two separate portables, with the repeater specific functions hard wired to pads on the boards. So many RF products nowadays have shared heritage, and there does seem to be in hi-tech, rapidly developing products a simplicity. A manufacturer does not waste their research and development costs when they can source proven, reliable modules from a common source, and simply use them differently. SDR radio is a good example - the differences are in presentation and control software. I've been selling imported radios for a long time and when you view the CPS software you start to see similarities - the radios use a similar programming system, and even the order of the columns in the CPS is the same - occasionally a new column with a unique function appears, but the differences are in the folders, the grouping and the management. I'd bet the actual critical RF and audio stages are common in so many brands. So few of the stages inside radios now are branded, they're just boxes with numbers. If you buy a Harris or one of the British equivalent products, the things are branded throughout - almost every internal module is designed by them. If you buy alternative and cheaper products, then to get those prices, alternative design is needed.

One of the market areas I import good for is entertainment lighting - moving head gizmos. Again, the Chinese products are a tenth of the price of the premier products, and the reason for this is exactly like the radio market. I think maybe the same process happens - in radio I do not know, but I do know for the lights. There will be a number of very small businesses in a large complex. One might make plastic moulded cases. One will make power supplies, another does the lenses, the rotating patterns (gobos), prisms on slot in modules. Another makes the PCBs and control systems, another specialises in programming the chips. Others do pan and tilt mechanisms. The small business builds their own, unique product from all the bits available - they source everything within walking distance - then their job is simply to assemble them. They don't even box them up - packaging is another small business, and shipping another. Within one city block - they can make anything. I can actually ask for a product they already have to be changed - you say I like XYZ but need a zoom, not a prism. They say no problem mr Paul but you must buy 100. I say I need only ten, they say if I buy 20 price will be ..... and I say great, pay them and they arrive in about a month. No research and development, just a new slot in unit, chip reprogramming and job done. Will the zoom be sharp and in focus as it runs? No idea, they've never done it before - I'm the guinnea pig. If I want, I can even have them badged with my business name - often these are for projects where that wouldn't matter, and you might get their idea of a brand name. Some good, some crazy - Hot poodle was the best one. No idea how Google translate suggested that as a good brand, but those labels got removed pronto!

I've now been importing these things for 14 years and have over a hundred still in my hire stock. I have currently 6 in the faulty pile, and they become a source of spares as there is so much commonality. I do a few premiere productions each year with sizeable hire budgets, and the lights from the brand leaders that cost over ten grand are supplied with hot spares by the hire company. I have never done a show of this kind without a small team of maintenance people constantly swapping them out. A friend in the military tells me their expensive radios they use have the same problems, they are always sending faulty one back to the tecs for repair. Another friend fixes Motorolas as a job. We must accept that Baofengs (which I don't sell simply because I cannot make money out of them) are disposable radios that are exceptionally good for the price. If they break, they go in the bin. If you spend money on premium products, that's a perfectly good choice if it suits you, but all the users care about is ion they work - and often just if they themselves can work them. Baofengs might just scare people with the buttons. Those dirt cheap 888s for example. They cost less than an Icom battery pack. If you drop one and it breaks, what have you lost? For some people this is economic sense. If the failure of a radio is likely to cause loss of life - then buying cheap is not sensible. If failure causes inconvenience and the need to go back to the kitchen for another radio, that's rather mild. We are radio enthusiasts, but the average user of radios uses them like a tool - the same as a biro, or screwdriver. As enthusiasts we have favourites and that's fine - but it means we will never agree. That too is fine.
 

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I have quite an expensive repeater - inside the unit are what appear to be two separate portables, with the repeater specific functions hard wired to pads on the boards.

What expensive repeater uses 2 portables inside the box ? None of my real repeaters are built on portable radios.

who has $8,000 for the PRC6809 or the Motorola APX8000. You guys need to take a chill pill.

Every radio in my vehicles are APX.....as is all my portables....people who want quality pay for quality...
 

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Lets not forget these are not typical radios we are discussing here. A few specialty companies in China worked them up by producing the look alike housings for Harris and Thales military radios, then filled the insides with Chinese radio modules as a secondary goal. The big break came for these companies when they went from plastic housings to machined metal housings like the original Harris and Thales. The radio guts are still secondary to the look of the radio.

I have handled many of these radios and the look, feel and craftsmanship of the housing is amazing because that was their goal. Side by side with a real $8k to $25k Harris or Thales radio takes an expert to tell them apart until you turn them on, then its apparent they are fakes. But they do serve their intended purpose for reenactments and Airsoft looking the part and also providing a level of communications capability from the $25 class radio modules inside.

Its only the last couple of years that anyone besides the rare military radio collector or Airsoft/reenactor has noticed these radios and bother to take a look at them in the field. Most people used to spot them then shrug their shoulders thinking its a big stupid radio from many years ago because they are huge and unusual looking. Now with more and more real Harris and Thales radios showing up on TV or in newspaper/magazine articles, radio hobbyists are more interested in knowing about the real military radios.

It was not long ago, about 6yrs when I toted a real Thales MBITR around at the Dayton Hamvention displaying and using it on the front of my little shopping cart I push around the show. Dayton is the Mecca of radio and there were probably 25,000 radio guys and girls at the show and a good number of them looked at my radio. Over three days of shopping and parading around with the radio in plain sight of hard core radio people, exactly two stopped and knew what it was. That's two out of maybe 25,000. I can spot these radios at quite a distance and if I saw another one I would make a bee line to it with a hundred questions like where did you get it, how much was it, are there any more available, how are you programming it, where are you getting batteries, what accys do you have, how much were they, etc.

In contrast, people all around me for three days at Dayton were stopping and discussing the Yaesu, Icom, Motorola and other common and plentiful radios hanging off everyone's belt at the show. Its a constant thing at Dayton with hams wanting compare their radios and apparently the MBITR was not something that they recognized even though it was probably the most expensive functional hand held radio at the show that year by a huge margin.

So if the real radios that these TCA or TRI brand radios are copied from get so little attention, I suspect the copies get less attention and anyone these days who sees one at a distance is probably curious if its a real Harris/Thales and they are disappointed when its not. The only case where that may not be true is when an owner of a TCA/TRI spots another and wants to chat about programming, problems, etc. This is a very very small niche in the radio hobby with very small production runs of these radios, so its hard to dedicate a discussion spot on RR or similar sites because its just not warranted.
 
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