BCD436HP/BCD536HP: UHF Reception Issues due to Noise from Battery Compartment

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Exactly what we need. He seems to have a vast knowledge of the components. He may be able to identify the issue. I really think we are on to something here.

You really think the highly paid Uniden engineers and circuit designers overlooked something in design. Really, Really?? No I don't think so. I think it met the required spec to get it out the door and they were happy with "good enough" instead of breaking the budget trying to reach perfection. And that some level of out of band noise is considered acceptable. Just guessing here.

Having said that maybe we can improve it a little with some copper tape.
 

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You really think the highly paid Uniden engineers and circuit designers overlooked something in design. Really, Really?? No I don't think so. I think it met the required spec to get it out the door and they were happy with "good enough" instead of breaking the budget trying to reach perfection. And that some level of out of band noise is considered acceptable. Just guessing here.

Having said that maybe we can improve it a little with some copper tape.
Frankly I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or if you are saying that the problem does not exist. I have no idea what Uniden did. I would like to think that it was missed. Maybe you are right that they considered it acceptable. I have no idea. I do know that it can be improved. I do know that it is not out of band noise, it is in band noise. Uniden may never even chime in on the issue. Maybe they will. Time will tell. My hope is that as a group we can find our own solution. I am quite confident as folks get some tape to shield the cover they will see the improvement and more and more people will realize there is an issue. We already had one on the list that has seen the improvement. I do know I want this thread to work on the problem and not turn into a Uniden bashing issue. They would have stepped up long ago if they had a fix or knowledge of the issue.
 

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This is ridiculous. There's no way adding a little aluminum tape could... OK, it worked. :)
 

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Frankly I am not sure if you are being sarcastic or if you are saying that the problem does not exist. I have no idea what Uniden did. I would like to think that it was missed. Maybe you are right that they considered it acceptable. I have no idea. I do know that it can be improved. I do know that it is not out of band noise, it is in band noise. Uniden may never even chime in on the issue. Maybe they will. Time will tell. My hope is that as a group we can find our own solution. I am quite confident as folks get some tape to shield the cover they will see the improvement and more and more people will realize there is an issue. We already had one on the list that has seen the improvement. I do know I want this thread to work on the problem and not turn into a Uniden bashing issue. They would have stepped up long ago if they had a fix or knowledge of the issue.

Sorry if I was confusing. Yes I know there is a problem and no not being sarcastic. My apology if it seemed that way. I was just being real. Uniden is not going to re-design the radio and, we can fix it with shielding tape.
 

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This is ridiculous. There's no way adding a little aluminum tape could... OK, it worked. :)
Yep it does. I am even more excited to see the results from someone using copper. So far through further testing the aluminum tape (which is what I have also) is only eliminating about 40 or 50% of the noise. If the copper gets us to 0% or close the results will probably be even better.
 

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Sorry if I was confusing. Yes I know there is a problem and no not being sarcastic. My apology if it seemed that way. I was just being real. Uniden is not going to re-design the radio and, we can fix it with shielding tape.
OK we are on the same page. I get it.
 

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Monitoring my local IFB frequencies (450 MHz) and there's a definite improvement. Can't say how much of an improvement, but it's noticeable. I used aluminum tape from Home Depot. Watch, we'll add this stuff to the battery compartment and all our radios will go up in flames, or overheat, or something. :)
 

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Monitoring my local IFB frequencies (450 MHz) and there's a definite improvement. Can't say how much of an improvement, but it's noticeable. I used aluminum tape from Home Depot. Watch, we'll add this stuff to the battery compartment and all our radios will go up in flames, or overheat, or something. :)
If it is any relief I have tested this for quite a while before starting the thread and mine is still OK.
 

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My thoughts exactly. shielding this area, was one of the last areas I was looking to shield. Still not sure why the extra shielding under the batteries actually made things worse.

As I have said many times, separate the radio from the antenna, and performance improves. Used in portable mode UHF performance is poor. Not deaf, but poor. It was really noticeable when I was using the 396XT more when the 436 was being fixed for its other issues.

Not sure how they do their testing. But, if tested with the unit connected to the test equipment with a patch cable through the antenna jack, then they would not see it.

Hopefully with more input we can improve this more, and find the source.
 

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My thoughts exactly. shielding this area, was one of the last areas I was looking to shield. Still not sure why the extra shielding under the batteries actually made things worse.

As I have said many times, separate the radio from the antenna, and performance improves. Used in portable mode UHF performance is poor. Not deaf, but poor. It was really noticeable when I was using the 396XT more when the 436 was being fixed for its other issues.

Not sure how they do their testing. But, if tested with the unit connected to the test equipment with a patch cable through the antenna jack, then they would not see it.

Hopefully with more input we can improve this more, and find the source.
One of the posters mentioned that the noise is coming from the battery leads, hence that would be why shielding under the batteries did not work. I had the same results as you. In fact if you shield under the batteries and the case it appears worse also which is really weird.
 

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One of the posters mentioned that the noise is coming from the battery leads, hence that would be why shielding under the batteries did not work. I had the same results as you. In fact if you shield under the batteries and the case it appears worse also which is really weird.

Exactly right. The shield needs to be outside the battery not underneath it.
 

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I have had 3 or 4 items in my Amazon cart for a week or so. I just added some of the copper foil tape to it and hit the order button. Thanks for sharing this!
 

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One of the posters mentioned that the noise is coming from the battery leads, hence that would be why shielding under the batteries did not work. I had the same results as you. In fact if you shield under the batteries and the case it appears worse also which is really weird.

Reading the problem is coming from the battery's leads I pulled out the batteries and no difference
Shielded the back as shown no joy
 

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Shielded my battery case with aluminum foil folded over 4 times. Plus/minus effect, but thought if may have helped bit. I am awaiting roll of copper tape from Amazon as well. Indeed, the 436HP does suffer from sensitivity issues, as I, and others, have posted for I think it is going on 2 years. Good scanner. Nice features. But if I want to walk around with smaller antenna and decent reception on low VHF and UHF, the 396 or new TRX-1 is my choice.
Hope the copper tape helps. Thanks for the great advice.
 

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Bearcat,

Thanks for your innovation and sharing your find with everyone. It is great to see people taking the initiative to experiment, explore, and solve problems.

These are consumer grade products. No doubt, they met the Part 15 FCC emissions requirements, did the BS protecting so we "can't modify our scanners to receive the cell band," and then called it a day. These are not professional level radios or designed to be sensitive scientific equipment.

And, for most, it's good that they didn't go on an excessive hunt to shield or reduce noise. The scanners are expensive enough as it is.

This is not a fault of the product. It would be nice if something was done at the factory, but, for many things, it's up to us to do our own mods. There's no way they can please everyone.

Electronic devices are inherently noisy. If trying to get extra reach, I would utilize an external antenna placed far away from electric devices. Monitors, displays, data cables, wifi, phones, computers, televisions, etc. are all very noisy. Even radio scanners are noisy.

I suspect some of the problem might be resonance from the radio or even outside sources on the metal case of the batteries, which functions as an antenna just like anything else can.

The SD card and it's data cable, the cable to the display, the clock circuits, a/c audio for the speaker, and even pressing buttons are all sources of noise.

Thanks for the field strip pictures D. I can tell you that on the Whistlers, the batteries, the speaker, and the SD card reader live at the bottom of the unit with essentially no other circuitry and no chips or components. The Whistler also has 4 metal boxes that shield a lot of the device -- much more than in the pictures you posted. I originally figured they did the shield primarily to appease the FCC so we can't "modify" our scanners, but perhaps there is a functional purpose in mind as well.

If anyone is monitoring anywhere near their computer, I should think moving away from all the noise would be a great first step to try. The tape idea is also great, easy, and a good introduction to taking initiative and learning about the hardware.

Addition: Had Uniden substantially advertised "low noise" radio, "no interference," "all noise shielded," etc., then it would be very much proper for them to address this. A good rule of thumb on whether something is a fault of the marketer or not is whether 1) it is a function advertised (or an inherent component to a portable electronic device like a clock or display) and 2) it is present or works properly.
 

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Little update...

Still testing and seeing the improvement with vs without the shielded battery cover. We'll see if properly applied copper foil makes a bigger difference.

And for those testing this, don't confuse the audio difference with and without the battery door as a RF improvement.
 

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So, searching on amazon, I am finding a bunch of copper tape. Which one is everyone getting/talking about?
Some folks posted links to sources for the tape. Take a look back in this thread. You will find the link.
 

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Little update...

Still testing and seeing the improvement with vs without the shielded battery cover. We'll see if properly applied copper foil makes a bigger difference.

And for those testing this, don't confuse the audio difference with and without the battery door as a RF improvement.
Good Point. Folks should keep in mind we are not changing the sensitivity of the radio, we are eliminating noise that is louder than the incoming signal hence wiping it out entirely or degrading it greatly.
 
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