Unidentified UCAN Talkgroups

[bkw]

It seems like here in Utah County only about half of the talkgroups that I pick up are identified in the database. I've been keeping a list of all the unidentified ones and it's up to 10 entries now, some of which are used very frequently. Is there a more up-to-date list somewhere? Or does this have to do with all the new talkgroups that have been appearing lately? Thanks for any info.

 

[Pro-95]

When I was in Salt Lake I recorded activity on a dozen or more "unmentioned" TG's. Those were listed in a post here. Basically it's now the fun part of listening and determining who is talking. So you get to play detective and help us with the databse by submitting the information about the talkgroups you have identified.

 

[boonez]

Do you have a list of those talkgroups?

 

[Pro-95]

I might have tossed my notes from the trip by now as no-one seemed interested. But I think several of them are in the P95 file I posted in the SLC-UCAN P95 thread. You can download a copy of Win95 to read the file and extract the un-id'd groups.

 

[kd7rto]

http://www.qsl.net/kd7rto/utah/ucan.htm

 

[kf7yn]

Try this list. the freqs are not neccesarily correct because UCAN has shuffled some freqs to reduce interference. Most of the the talkgroups are right, but certainly not complete.

http://www.bearcat1.com/fleetut.htm

scroll down to UCAN.


Jon

 

[Pro-95]

I am curious......

Those of you that can listen to and identify TG's for the UCAN (or any other UT system), why are you not supplying information in the form of a submission to this site?

Am I missing something?

 

[kf7yn]

We had this discussion when you said you were coming to SLC and asked me for a Pro-95 load. When sending the info to your email failed, you asked me to post it here, which I said I can't do because of agreements with UCAN and some VECC agencies.

I can't post sensitive info in this forum (talkgroups which involve safety of life issues, SWAT, etc.) I don't necessarily agree with the entire agreement but right, wrong or indifferent, I will not go against what was agreed to.

Personally I feel strongly that extra eyes and ears in the community is most helpful to public safety. Unfortunately not everyone sees it this way. VECC seems to understand this but UCAN does not. I am happy to continue this conversation privately via email or phone.

Please underfstand this is not a position of arrogance or priveledge, we had frequencies and talkgroups for UCAN, VECC, City Police, SL Co Sheriff, Hill AFB, Tooele Army Depot, Federal and State agencies such as FBI, DEA, FEMA, etc. posted on a website until the Office of Homeland Nazi's asked the webmaster to take most of it off.

Besided all that, I work out of town half the year and don't get to this site very often. Regardless, most of the info is available anyway online from other sources. If you want make the effort to identify talkgroups and post the info yourself, that's cetainly your perogative!

Now for some general info. SL County Sheriff's frequencies and talkgroups are in the process of being integrated into UCAN via Omni-Link. The Sheriff will still keep their own dispatch but apparently UCAN bought the Sheriff's trunked facilities. VECC keeps an empty row of dispatch bays available for the Sheriff should they change thieir mind and integrate with VECC. (not likely until we get a new Sheriff)

During a tour of VECC last week, I saw the equipment being installed at VECC to handle the link with the Sheriff.

Salt Lake City is going on their own system entirely. Their current 10 frequency site is part of the Sheriff's networked system. Trunker shows the SLC PD/Fire ID as 643e, site 6. The new site ID is ac33 and two data channels have shown up, 866.600 and 867.250. For now, the SLC PD/Fire data channel of 857.2375 is still on the air, but it was off the other day when techs were testing the system. That's when I saw SLC PD talkgroups show up on the new data channels.

They are using the same frequencies, just reshuffling them to accomodate the gradual changeover. 866.600 data channel shows as cell 2 for example. It seems that when the normal 859.2375 data channel is active, 867.250 is not. But 866.600 is on 24/7.

Jon

kf7yn@yahoo.com
801-565-0095

 

[FPO703]

I can't post sensitive info in this forum (talkgroups which involve safety of life issues, SWAT, etc.) I don't necessarily agree with the entire agreement but right, wrong or indifferent, I will not go against what was agreed to.

Jon

kf7yn@yahoo.com

If you post the information anonymously, you don't have to worry about anything. You can post information that is not 'sensitive' with no worries. If they are gonna come after anyone (Which I highly doubt since it's all public record), they would come after the webmaster here. And, since there is no policy in effect for removal of civilian systems from the DB, it's pretty much safe.

 

[N7OLQ]

Some of the TGs Jon is talking about are not even in use yet, so when they get documented on web sites, it becomes obvious where the leak came from and then the source dries up.

Gary's (kd7rto) web site has most of the current data that he has been able to verify.

 

[boonez]

So I have new talkgroup id's and I know that ere are frequency's that are updated in the rr datebase, who do i send them to to update, becasue it is behind on the updated tg id's

 

[N7OLQ]

Submission of new data

So I have new talkgroup id's and I know that ere are frequency's that are updated in the rr datebase, who do i send them to to update, becasue it is behind on the updated tg id's

The best way is to use the submission function on this web site. You can also send them to me (or both).

I did some updating last night, but it appears the majority of the Utah stuff is old. The integration of the county stuff in SL and the creation of the new AC33 system for SL city has things in flux right now, so I'm inclined to wait a week or two to see how they adjust things for all the new county traffic. A lot of units are showing up on UC Simo and cloging things up. That site is not set up for that kind of load.

 

[boonez]

Do you have al the new updated talk groups as well as the id's.