Unknown UHF - ENC 451.80000

[RaleighGuy]

Cutting in line in front of all those poor folks going to MIA how rude!.

Seems to be the path tonight, strange path though, several civilian aircraft are following the same path

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Uhh Ohh, on ground west of the Palmetto??? News at 11

 

[ScubaJungle]

Im surprised its trackable at all, even though MLAT isnt exact. My local police helos dont show up at all, not with ADSB nor MLAT

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Im surprised its trackable at all, even though MLAT isnt exact. My local police helos dont show up at all, not with ADSB nor MLAT

Not real good OPSEC when any goof on the internet (like me), can track it.

 

[RaleighGuy]

Im surprised its trackable at all, even though MLAT isnt exact. My local police helos dont show up at all, not with ADSB nor MLAT

Bet they do, you are probably using the wrong site.

 

[ScubaJungle]

Bet they do, you are probably using the wrong site.

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Its possible, but I cant find them on adsbexchange, flightradar24, or with my own ads b antenna. Look over Tampa - there are two helos up right now that I am listening to.

edit: sometimes HCSO can be seen (there is one out west right now), but I have never seen Tampa PD helos, even when I can see them from my balcony over downtown chasing people. I'd be happy if you can prove me wrong though!

 

[RaleighGuy]

Its possible, but I cant find them on adsbexchange, flightradar24, or with my own ads b antenna. Look over Tampa - there are two helos up right now that I am listening to.

edit: sometimes HCSO can be seen (there is one out west right now), but I have never seen Tampa PD helos, even when I can see them from my balcony over downtown chasing people. I'd be happy if you can prove me wrong though!

Maybe they are flying without the parrot on. FAA can grant exceptions.

New Rule Allows Military Aircraft to Turn Off ADS-B Transmissions - Aviation Today

U.S. federal, state and local government aircraft performing sensitive operations are now permitted to fly with their installed automatic dependent surveillance broadcast (ADS-B) position reporting electronics turned off, according to a new rule published by the Federal Aviation Administration...

www.aviationtoday.com

 

[ScubaJungle]

Maybe they are flying without the parrot on. FAA can grant exceptions.

New Rule Allows Military Aircraft to Turn Off ADS-B Transmissions - Aviation Today

U.S. federal, state and local government aircraft performing sensitive operations are now permitted to fly with their installed automatic dependent surveillance broadcast (ADS-B) position reporting electronics turned off, according to a new rule published by the Federal Aviation Administration...

www.aviationtoday.com

I think so - I thought first maybe there were a lack of receivers in the area, but after trying it myself and having a line of sight at the actual helo, I think they have it shut off.
Im facing southeast and I can usually literally see them from the balcony as I'm listening anyways

 

[CCHLLM]

Well, with all that, keep in mind that it is not at all unusual to see the AF1 fleet using GSO as a T&G training site as well as many large and medium military aircraft in the skies over GSO due to the presence of HAECO Americas' HQ at GSO. In other words, the sighting of many different government and military aircraft and obviously "not-from-around here" aircraft is not at all unusual on a daily basis. The C5s doing repeated T&G ops sometimes creates heavy metal overcast.

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Hmmmm
HAECO Americas

Parent: Swire Pacific Limited
Swire Group (simplified Chinese: 太古集团; traditional Chinese: 太古集團; pinyin: tài gǔ jí tuán) is a Hong Kong- and London-based diversified conglomerate. Many of its core businesses can be found within the Asia Pacific region, where traditionally Swire's operations have centred on Hong Kong and mainland China.

 

[CCHLLM]

Yep. HAECO is the organization that bought the former TIMCO Aircraft Maintenance operations here and added a 250,000 sq ft hangar. Honda Aircraft (HondaJet) is headquartered here, too, as well as Mack Trucks Global HQ and Volvo Trucks North America HQ. We see a good number of national and international corporate aircraft going in and out of here. See a lot of aircraft with nothing but a tail number in and out, too.

 

[spacellamaman]

well first off, when you fellers go off topic, ya'll don't mess around.
ALL IN BABY! THAT'S WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!

Second, if the First Lady, or any lady for that matter, was on that plane, I am pretty certain ya'll's (like how i made that plural? yep I'm a smarty pantaloones) behavior fits the technical definition of Collaborative Stalking, so just keep that in mind.

and now regarding the use of a code-for-a-code-of-an-encryption code

ALG ID 84 = AES-256.

Now i do appreciate the clarification and courteous transfer of information, but if you city boys with yer fancy gear would stop trying to talk over my head and just parlez-vous the anglais like the rest of us, then i wouldn't have to make a jerk outta myself so often. i would just ask the google bout all this stuff but they have already threatened me with a daily search-quiry cap as is. threatened to throttle me. aint that some spit.

and finally, i think:

On the way home yesterday afternoon, I turned into the lane to the private community on the north side of GSO where I reside and met a white outbound suv with numerous antennas. Looked good. My suv has numerous antennas, too, and the same Scottish flag plate on the front as well, so I casually waved as we passed. Haven't seen it since and probably won't see it again, but over the past few days I have noticed digital traffic on the itinerant frequencies in our ops radios as I head into town on N. Elm St.

ummmm, am i reading too much into this here, or are you holding out on us?

See a lot of aircraft with nothing but a tail number in and out, too.

OHHHHH, you arrrreeeee holding out on us I see.

Anyhooo......

So what happened guys? Ya'll need some more batteries? The world is pensively waiting for your updated reports on this High Strangeness!


Don't let us down!!!

 

[BigLebowski]

Anyhooo......

So what happened guys? Ya'll need some more batteries? The world is pensively waiting for your updated reports on this High Strangeness!


Don't let us down!!!

Still heavy traffic on on 451.800, mostly afternoon and evening with about 25 ID's showing up in the above ranges. Based on transmissions I think ID 1 is a console. Everything has been 100% encrypted except for 3927 calling "Air to Ground" and then "Affirm", then secure after that. Guess he got scolded for being in the clear. 154.5275 $167 has been active as well but sounds like simplex. 43.04 and 469.550 have not been active the last couple days.

 

[CCHLLM]

Spacella, you really are a trip. The simple answer here is that nobody is holding out, that I am responsible for corporate radios in our fleet in my retirement job, that I am a former Fire/Rescue & USAR Task Force member, that I am a former Mother Moto MSS employee, that I'm a ham radio operator, that as a former pilot, I look up when I hear anything bigger than a Super Cub flying over, that it's hard to miss what's flying over when you live right under the approach and departure routing, that GSO has become a major aircraft maintenance, manufacturing and parts source location, that we have so many industries here that have corporate aircraft, that at least one Caribbean carrier has a facility here, that FedEx has a flight hub and a ground hub here, that I have an incredible granddaughter that has spent several years flying things ranging from sailplanes to her own Super Cub stol/bush plane to Gulfstream to Boeing, etc, and that all the preceding has given me the opportunities to see and be involved in a lot of stuff and I possess a great deal of curiosity about the world around me. Howzzat for a run-on sentence?

PS. The encrypted P25 traffic on itinerant frequencies is a new anomaly here and I got nothing but questions myself.

 

[spacellamaman]

Still heavy traffic on on 451.800, mostly afternoon and evening with about 25 ID's showing up in the above ranges. Based on transmissions I think ID 1 is a console. Everything has been 100% encrypted except for 3927 calling "Air to Ground" and then "Affirm", then secure after that. Guess he got scolded for being in the clear. 154.5275 $167 has been active as well but sounds like simplex. 43.04 and 469.550 have not been active the last couple days.

man that is crazy, thats a huge operation, whatever it is. the diversity of RIDs is really curious to me. thanks for mentioning the A2G tx, that really widens the scope of this whole thing.

I have been meaning to ask, for anyone rx'ing these, is it safe to say ya'll are using elevated, outdoor antennas? wideband or tuned to some degree? I know some of ya'll seem to be real near things (picking up simplex/inputs etc) but just trying to judge distance/output in very general terms etc. Im apparently too far south, as i have outdoor antennas of a diversity mag mounted on a metal carport roof, plus a medium discone, that all do quite well, and haven't rx'd squat. so i am thinking this is very localized.

the first time 43.04 was reported, like many months ago, i managed to eventually catch some traffic but not this time yet.

 

[CCHLLM]

Everything for me is done randomly with portables and mobiles in my car, and it's pretty much limited to areas between home and the airport and the work vicinity. 469.550 is the input to our local corporate repeater, too BTW.

 

[spacellamaman]

Spacella, you really are a trip. The simple answer here is that nobody is holding out, that I am responsible for corporate radios in our fleet in my retirement job, that I am a former Fire/Rescue & USAR Task Force member, that I am a former Mother Moto MSS employee, that I'm a ham radio operator, that as a former pilot, I look up when I hear anything bigger than a Super Cub flying over, that it's hard to miss what's flying over when you live right under the approach and departure routing, that GSO has become a major aircraft maintenance, manufacturing and parts source location, that we have so many industries here that have corporate aircraft, that at least one Caribbean carrier has a facility here, that FedEx has a flight hub and a ground hub here, that I have an incredible granddaughter that has spent several years flying things ranging from sailplanes to her own Super Cub stol/bush plane to Gulfstream to Boeing, etc, and that all the preceding has given me the opportunities to see and be involved in a lot of stuff and I possess a great deal of curiosity about the world around me. Howzzat for a run-on sentence?

PS. The encrypted P25 traffic on itinerant frequencies is a new anomaly here and I got nothing but questions myself.

Ha ha, i have made some doozie run-ons myself over the years, but never managed one like yours

yeah i kinda figured your situation was something like that, folks of your type kinda go with the territory to various degrees on this BBS, thats why i didn't think anything about it til i read it again a day later.

the conspiratorial view slowly unraveled before my eyes. all was coincidence, lest one consider the commonality of identical Scottish vanity plates, a casual, perhaps as in familiar, wave, and an apparent confidence they would never again see someone who was exiting a private road to their neighborhood. combined with all the rest, it all seemed just a bit too much.

frankly i think i have re-convinced myself re-reading that logic

 

[CCHLLM]

The only things I have overheard locally when I'm out and about is when I'm in the car. In local TV footage is what appears to be media using LTE PTT devices and phones with LTE PTT. With the curfew in force after 2000hrs, I'm holed up at home and just casually listening to local LE and Emergency Services. I waved at the SUV because of the antennas and the front plate. It was an Expedition with more antennas than my car could ever support, and based on my many years of vehicular radio installation experience, it appeared to be well done. With all the antennas, however, it could never be called "covert."

 

[Flyham]

Still heavy traffic on on 451.800, mostly afternoon and evening with about 25 ID's showing up in the above ranges. Based on transmissions I think ID 1 is a console. Everything has been 100% encrypted except for 3927 calling "Air to Ground" and then "Affirm", then secure after that. Guess he got scolded for being in the clear. 154.5275 $167 has been active as well but sounds like simplex. 43.04 and 469.550 have not been active the last couple days.

Noted traffic again around 6:45 - 7:00 pm yesterday afternoon in the area of Greensboro Coliseum. Saw Following ID's: 1, 9003032, 9041031, 3091243, 3094026, 3091118, 3091120, 3454426, 1016006, 1015287, 1021115, 650965, 1010299, 9023031, 3091777, 11125, 3927, 3091280 noted both on 451.800 and 154.5275. Did see a white Tahoe setting near the Coliseum as well.
Only odd caveat to me is that RID 1 seems more prevalent on 154.5275

 

[RFI-EMI-GUY]

Glad to see you pulled the topic back on track. Sorry we strayed.Something weird is definately afoot in NC. Probably training and logistics for deploying corporate merc goons to various areas of protest.