UtahRadio.org and RR Wiki

[ka3jjz]

There really isn't a 'wiki format' per se. We do have numerous templates and infoboxes to make things easier to read and understand. However, since I know the current Utah wiki is a MediaWiki site, I see no reason why you simply couldn't copy/paste what you want to retain. You may need to fix a bit of coding as we are on a different release, but you should be good to go if you decide to use this route.

Your only challenge would be how you wanted everything to link together. We actively discourage orphans (articles that have no links to anything); as our site is over 10000 pages long, if we allowed that type of article, we would quickly become a Frankenstein-sized Uniden TWiki, and no one wants that.

Mike

 

[ka3jjz]

The database is for frequencies, site details, etc. Essentially, it is what is needed to listen to a system.

The wiki is for the additional details, such as Fire/EMS units, 10 codes, tones, etc. Therefore, depending on the data, it may need to go to the wiki.

Quite correct. A good way to grab a reasonable list of potential topics that a wiki can cover can be found in the categories section for Utah. If there's something that you need that isn't there, chances are that it can be created quite easily, as another state may have it and it can be cloned

Categories - The RadioReference Wiki

wiki.radioreference.com

Mike

 

[N7OLQ]

In re-reading this thread, I now realize my comments were not addressing the original point of this thread. My comments were only about collaboration on the new P25 system, not about getting information copied over from UtahRadio.org. Sorry for the confusion. Wiki is great for that.

 

[enosjones]

So is there a place to get info on yet? Or a page on the wiki? And which wiki ? The radioreference one or the utahRadio.org one? Or a way to get the info to a place where everyone can see it now? I did a post a while back with some updates to the fcc licenses regarding the p25 sites for the Harris system for the new UCA but they have granted more sites (some pending),but the frequencies, site locations and licenses are posted, which gives us an idea and let's us program it into the scanners so when it comes online or live we will be the first to know... is there a place to start? I usually do a search on the fcc website, using the FRN (0004254223) for UCA then do a 6 month date range search and look for any changes recently, in the SY format meaning 700mhz trunked p25p2 at Application Search then go to advanced search. Put the FRN in and date range 6 months back or longer ( the first SY grant submissions start in March of 2021) from now and search, and then go to the last few pages, anything marked as SY is what we are looking for.. could there be a way to import that info to the wiki, or a template or a list of some kind without having to do it all by hand?

 

[enosjones]

=7/8/2021 to 1/4/2022​

Matches 91- 100 (of 210 )​ ​ = Open Petition For Reconsideration (PFR) Status​ ​ ​ = Termination Pending or Terminated​

​ Page 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15​ ​

​ File Number​ Call Sign/Lease ID​ Applicant Name​ FRN​ Purpose​ Radio Service​ Receipt Date​ Status​ 91​ 0009665282 WRNT420 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/17/2021 Granted 92​ 0009665283 WRNT421 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/17/2021 Granted 93​ 0009665286 WRNT423 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/17/2021 Granted 94​ 0009665289 WRNT424 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/17/2021 Granted 95​ 0009665815 WRNT593 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/17/2021 Granted 96​ 0009665816 WROT849 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/17/2021 Granted 97​ 0009666001 WRNT596 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/18/2021 Granted 98​ 0009666003 WRNT623 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/18/2021 Granted 99​ 0009666175 WRNT624 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/18/2021 Granted 100​ 0009689302 WRNW849 UTAH COMMUNICATIONS AUTHORITY 0004254223 New SY 08/31/2021 Granted

 

[enosjones]

Just an example above takes u straight there , this is the kind of list that would help, this does list more that the SY, it lists state of Utah that UCA licensed for vhf (PW)and the current 800 system (YE) which they still add sites and licenses too currently

 

[N7OLQ]

Use this for Sites/Freqs/Talkgroups. The Wiki discussion was for capturing the UtahRadio content.

UCA P25 System

docs.google.com

 

[enosjones]

Will it upload to let everyone else see it?

 

[enosjones]

I'm updating the Google spreadsheet anyone can look at it, be careful it is editable, but its a work in progress

 

[N7YUO]

Before we get too carried away, I want to inform those who are not locals,
and remind our locals from the 7202 group what happened in the summer of 2002.

The Olympics were over, and one of our members who belonged to a Search & Rescue,
posted to the group, a map of his SAR radio. Shortly thereafter, he posted that he
had been chastised offline about posting this sensitive information.
The 7202 Group was a private group that only members could view.
My conclusion: we now had an "Insider Threat" in our membership that was working against us.

It scared our members who were of police, fire, or other government agencies.
Posts from those members ceased altogether.
I also noted that on (RR Utah forum), posts from members known to be police were removed.
After the security of the 7202 Group was compromised, little if any new information appeared,
and eventually the 7202 Group became non-existant.

Up until that time, we could discuss anything. Special ops, SWAT, surveillance, and we
mapped out the entire Olympic Trunked Radio System in about two weeks.

Originally, the Rocky Mountain Radio Association (RMRA) had a scanning discussion page.
A local ham with ties to Homeland Security was vehemently opposed
to online discussions of anything Olympics related.
Reportedly, he was giving RMRA a lot of grief about their online scanner discussions.
So, the local RMRA hams created the members only 7202 Group where we could openly
discuss anything scanning related, including sensitive information.

Sometime in early 2002, this ham with ties to Homeland Security,
who opposed our discussions, requested membership to the 7202 Group.
He was granted membership, but he never posted any information of any kind.
But not long after he became a member, that's when our local SAR member got
chastised offline about posting sensitive information.

NOTE: I have avoided mentioning any names here, and even if you know
who the people are that were involved, please do not out them here.
I only want to make a point about some incidents.

With all of that in mind, here are my recommendations:
We limit our discussions of the new digital UCA system to
locals who have PROVEN to be valuable contributors to scanning in Utah.
Examples: GL Davis, PM Stewart, KC7NEC, N7OLQ, enosjones, and others.
(I still have a list of 7202 Group members)

Excluded: ecps92 from Taxachusetts? Who is that? Not someone local.
MtnBiker2005 From San Diego. Not local.
belvdr, anonymous person,
Any previous member of 7202 Group who no longer resides in Utah.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not being rude. But if you are not from Utah,
how can you identify Utah repeater sites and talk groups?
If you are an anonymous person, you cannot be considered someone
who has proven to be a valuable contributor to scanning in Utah.

 

[Spadinator]

Unfortunately those types are around.

 

[MtnBiker2005]

I never said I was local to Utah. But people do visit Utah on trips.

that’s fine, I guess other people will also keep their scanner frequencies/talkgroups info private.
But again lots of people have private scanner frequencies/talkgroups they don’t share online.

 

[gldavis]

Thanks for posting the target on us selected few ! I would hope that each of us have a few "secrets" on our lists. Those inside and outside need refreshers on the terms "Public Airwaves" and "Public Service". That said, the Ancient concept of Common Sense needs to be resurrected.

 

[belvdr]

belvdr, anonymous person

I never supplied any information about any Utah frequencies. I simply provided info on the differences between the database and the wiki.

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not being rude. But if you are not from Utah,
how can you identify Utah repeater sites and talk groups?
If you are an anonymous person, you cannot be considered someone
who has proven to be a valuable contributor to scanning in Utah.

Not only are you rude, but you're also arrogant. People do travel and for extended periods, I may add. As long as the info is legit, it doesn't matter who submits it.

 

[enosjones]

Ok that started a fire

 

[belvdr]

Ok that started a fire

No fire on my side now.

 

[RadioDitch]

Don't take this the wrong way, I'm not being rude. But if you are not from Utah,
how can you identify Utah repeater sites and talk groups?

The same way those of us who travel frequently identify everything else. By getting out there and hunting them down.

As long as the info is legit, it doesn't matter who submits it.

Does anybody realize how much of the database wouldn't exist if it weren't for THIS?

 

[N7YUO]

I've been known to ruffle a few feathers now and then.

 

[N7YUO]

Its been said that "First impressions are lasting impressions"
And I've certainly made mine.
And I suppose that going forward, anything I post will give someone a reason
to take offense. If that happens, I can handle it.
But that is not the purpose of this forum or this thread.

Allow me to quote just one of the replies:
"I never said I was local to Utah. But people do visit Utah on trips.
that’s fine, I guess other people will also keep their scanner frequencies/talkgroups info private.
But again lots of people have private scanner frequencies/talkgroups they don’t share online."

I agree that we get valuable input from scanner enthusiasts from non-locals.

Ok, we used to have a database, maintained locally, of frequencies and talk groups.
As I recall, N7OLQ made the decision to post the db on RadioReference, and it has been there since.
So believe me, any new DB will be there as well.

I work for the government.
Every year, we have to take an online class on information security.
They discuss Classified Information, Controlled Unclassified Information,
and in the last 2 years, a new category: Law Enforcement Sensitive.

Q: Do you think the government screens open forums such as this one,
for "leaks" of Law Enforcement Sensitive information?

Q: If the Search & Rescue member got in trouble for posting information from his radio,
don't you think it could happen again in similar circumstances?

And this:
"Thanks for posting the target on us selected few."

The only member that should be a 'target' is me. I made the post.
I specifically mentioned the people who were part of this thread.
Both locals and non-locals provide valuable information.


I don't recall what the membership was when the 7202 Group was at its peak.
But from the list I have, there were about 60 members, all local, who
regularly provided information. I would like to reach out to those people
to see if they are still into this hobby.

I would like to have a similar non-public discussion group where we could
freely discuss Law Enforcement Sensitive information without fear
of getting burned.

 

[gldavis]

I moved back to "The Valley" after the Olympics (many years after), so I wasn't a part of the 7202 group. I did put a smiley face on the "target" comment. This is a hobby. Have fun.