VX-7 Roger tone

[bezking]

"In commercial comms such data bursts are used to automatically identify a radio making a transmission, but the only thing you will accomplish on the ham bands by using such things are the lasting dislike of you by your local fellow hams."

LOLing quietly behind the scenes I'm reminded of a certain highly respected administrator here who received howls of protest when he inadvertently left the MODAT on and one called him a #^*)@#$ CBer. No lasting dislike though, just thanks for turning it off.

Someone mentioned a dislike of repeater courtesy tones, I prefer the occasional repeater without that annoying tail and doesn't need a tone. PS repeaters are like that and they get by so why oh why can't I? (Sorry Judy Garland for stealing your line.)

I don't know who you're referring to but I think I have him beat. Long story short, I accidentally programmed a *very* popular local repeater with a *huge* footprint as P25 instead of analog in an XTS5000. I was putting my call out for about ten minutes before one of the regulars started asking what "that staticky noise is..." Needless to say I disappeared for an hour after fixing it, nobody suspects a thing

 

[AK9R]

Most PS comms are not long-winded speeches like you hear on some ham repeaters. The courtesy beep lets others know that the gas-bag has finally and thankfully unkeyed his microphone.

That said, I'm not a fan of multi-tone or sound effect courtesy beeps. Don't care much for talking repeater controllers, either.

 

[kayn1n32008]

WELL said! :wink:



73,
n9zas

My favorite system to monitor is a Uhf backbone that consists of 4 linked uhf repeaters, all that have no tail. these repeaters are used to link a bunch of drop repeaters all around the province.

There is nothing more annoying than a bunch of annoying, complex, courtesy tones and a 5 second tail!!!

 

[jhooten]

Back in the days of crystal 2 meter radios one of the locals added a feature to his radio that sent a k in morse code every time he released the PTT. Never did figure out why his calls usually went unanswered.

 

[EC-7]

Ham operators are the most double standard type of people you will ever meet, and NOTHING will ever make them happy.

They will complain and raise hell over a single beep on your radio, throw their mic at the wall in disgust and turn on their HF radio, to spend hours on CW listening to beeps.
They are the same people who hate all the noise, but will listen to static for hours.
They hate tones on their radios, but know all the fire dept pager tones by ear.

Many times I have heard someone talking on the repeater and pause for only 1 second and the other station keys up and starts talking. Then you have a mess of garbled sounds as they both try to talk at the same time. That is why repeaters use courtesy tones, to know when the other person un-keys.

Courtesy tones can be nice, but too many can get annoying. If you have ever listened to FRS radios for more than 10 min, you will understand, but a 1 or 2, low volume beeps arent too bad.
(Yes I am a HAM)

 

[N2ICV]

If all ham repeaters would only pass CTCSS or DPL when someone keys up . So you can put your radio in decode and not hear courtesy tones or talking repeater controllers!

 

[kayn1n32008]

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If all ham repeaters would only pass CTCSS or DPL when someone keys up . So you can put your radio in decode and not hear courtesy tones or talking repeater controllers!

Or have PL/DPL tied to COS...

 

[ramal121]

Roger beeps do exist in Kenwood commercial radios but I've never heard of anyone that uses it.

 

[gewecke]

Roger beeps do exist in Kenwood commercial radios but I've never heard of anyone that uses it.

Maybe, but none of the kenwoods I own do, and that's a good thing. :wink:

73,
n9zas

 

[ramal121]

and that's a good thing. :wink:

73,
n9zas

A very good thing! And it reduces the temptation for the @$$hats to turn their radios into a party noisemaker.

 

[N2ICV]

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Or have PL/DPL tied to COS...

Exactly!

 

[gewecke]

A very good thing! And it reduces the temptation for the @$$hats to turn their radios into a party noisemaker.

Yeah, I heard enough of that at 12:00am jan.1st. on several frequencies including some I never hear in this area...ever!


73,
n9zas

 

[SCPD]

I'm curious if you guys would classify MDC-1200 set up properly and used properly a ROGER BEEP? lol i my self find that modat is more of a roger beep than of use. Seeing how i use XTS2500 99% of the time i have set all my local PD, ham stuff to Decode MDC tones. I have one particular frequency set for MDC-1200 with my unit ID and some seem to think it's a Roger Fart. I have been slowly moving to commercial gear and letting a lot of my ham vhf gear go mainly because the commercial radios seem to have a nice feel and QC behind it.

Sorry for bumping this year old thread but, i just had something to say about it.

 

[rapidcharger]

I'm curious if you guys would classify MDC-1200 set up properly and used properly a ROGER BEEP? lol i my self find that modat is more of a roger beep than of use. Seeing how i use XTS2500 99% of the time i have set all my local PD, ham stuff to Decode MDC tones. I have one particular frequency set for MDC-1200 with my unit ID and some seem to think it's a Roger Fart. I have been slowly moving to commercial gear and letting a lot of my ham vhf gear go mainly because the commercial radios seem to have a nice feel and QC behind it.

Sorry for bumping this year old thread but, i just had something to say about it.

No, I would not consider MDC-1200 as a roger beep. Unlike the noisemakers on the chinese radios which are really annoying and obnoxious (Especially baofeng's roger beep and car alarm siren) MDC has a purpose. A bunch of us use it in our area for identification. Most of us set up message stack so if we're away from our radios we can come back and see who was on. It can also be used for selective calling when you don't want to be disturbed except by certain people.

The purpose of MDC is not to amuse and entertain, which would make the bulk of those Chinese noisemakers a violation of the FCC rules.

As for where to put your mdc, I put mine on BOT/PRE for a few reasons. For starters, it jumpstarts the echolink VOX circuit. Second of all, when you set it to BOT, you can enable a PTT ID sidetone to let you know you've keyed your radio. And for people who like to hear noises coming from their radio, sidetone accomplishes that without annoying others. And it also trains you to wait a brief second before talking so your audio isn't cut off. Most others put it on EOT/POST. Some kind of end of transmission tone is helpful when you're receiving another station on simplex or especially on digital but when a repeater already has a courtesy tone, and people set it up just for fun, then that's just being a lid.

 

[Spankymedic7]

Ham operators are the most double standard type of people you will ever meet, and NOTHING will ever make them happy.

They will complain and raise hell over a single beep on your radio, throw their mic at the wall in disgust and turn on their HF radio, to spend hours on CW listening to beeps.
They are the same people who hate all the noise, but will listen to static for hours.
They hate tones on their radios, but know all the fire dept pager tones by ear.

Many times I have heard someone talking on the repeater and pause for only 1 second and the other station keys up and starts talking. Then you have a mess of garbled sounds as they both try to talk at the same time. That is why repeaters use courtesy tones, to know when the other person un-keys.

Courtesy tones can be nice, but too many can get annoying. If you have ever listened to FRS radios for more than 10 min, you will understand, but a 1 or 2, low volume beeps arent too bad.
(Yes I am a HAM)

I absolutely love your post...I won't add a thing. Well said.

 

[Spankymedic7]

Roger beeps do exist in Kenwood commercial radios but I've never heard of anyone that uses it.

It's just a single beep, nothing more. Kenwood does; however, have their own proprietary signalling called FleetSync, which has more of a musical quality to it.

 

[W2NJS]

On the subject of squelch tails, or the lack of same:
Using a commercial HT usually provides you with the capability of using reverse burst PL, which effectively eliminates squelch tails. None of the ham HTs, as far as I know, have reverse burst capability.
Read more on the subject here:
Motorola® Reverse Burst & And Squelch

 

[KNY2ADQ]

If you're handy with a soldering iron:

or if you're lazy:

Now if you want to be super cool and be the envy of all the hams in the area:

or

But don't stop there, you'll also need:

or

 

[robertmac]

Shove it

And you know you can shove the roger beep where the sun doesn't shine.

 

[n9mxq]

The original use of Roger Beeps on CB were for SSB. Then of course they carried over to AM, and got more and more annoying. I don't mind a nice short quick beep at the end of a transmission, but those that have 3 or 4 in series, and you hear, beep, doodle, beop, doodle doodle, belch.. are annoying.

I have one on my President McKinley SSB rig, and switch it off for AM work. And don't have your RB on 19 near a truck stop.. It's a signal of one guy looking for another guy..