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Then how do they hear each other if none of their radios transmit a CTCSS tone???

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Most likley the ch 1 at other persons location the manager either chose 131 for it or they run off ch 6. This was done in event they had interference with the other channels. Typically ch 3 is loss prevention. Though any store it can be anything if the manager or LP chose different tone or channel to use. Specially if a store is by another and for some reason order is changed or every channel used differently. At one time there was a uniform order for use but interference at locations caused this to be void in many places.

With ops latest information a radio emitting a tx tone but csq in recieve anyone should hear. Possible he hasn't found right tone. They could be using uhf, I dont recall if it was mentioned vhf or uhf earlier. If it's uhf then they would be using the business uhf stuff. If it's the 900mhz ones good luck. The 3 stores I seen and know use them got them in programmed already not in original box, yes they were locked as someone in LP tried to duplicate for one they obtained elsewhere but couldnt and had to wait until a couple more came in. Far as I know they are limited to managers or essential flooor staff, share. When off the workers turn them back in or not being used turned in to managers office which manager on accounts for them.

I know 2 of those 3 stores near here had issues with murs, uhf at the one with pranksters, other had a incident where media was listening on murs so after time they went to the 900mhz hoppers. They had gave the IC a couple in event of something since the particular store manager was big on what if, commebt made was they will work with the other 2 locations so.


They never been used by anyone in fire, police yet. It was done at a local safety meeting the one time with businesses working with public safety type of thing for incidents when wal mart had its we work with local first responders thing, see something say something some stores had got into after a few big incidents at the time across country.

This is the listing in the manual for the RDM2070d. CHAN 6 is as noted and I know CHAN 1 is the same frequency with no PL tone. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180227/8154c64863e45b8b9f1f7840a30e0b31.jpg

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This is the listing in the manual for the RDM2070d. CHAN 6 is as noted and I know CHAN 1 is the same frequency with no PL tone. https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180227/8154c64863e45b8b9f1f7840a30e0b31.jpg

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It looks like Walmart* is simply using the factory default programming for the XV2600 from back in the days of using XTN series radios. They probably just used them as they come out of the box, like FRS bubble packs.

The OP said he can hear Walmart* radios just fine but they can't hear him. I think we've provided the OP with enough information to program his radio and he should be able to get it to work. No tone or code is needed for the receiver, just listen in CSQ mode. The transmitted CTCSS/PL tone or DCS/DPL code needs to be correct for Walmart* radios to hear him.

If I worked at Walmart* corporate and called the shots on what radios to use, I would move them all to the DLR radios on 900MHz and abandon VHF MURS. The DLRs will work way better for the employee's needs and won't be overheard or bothered by anybody else. They also offer a few rather cool features attractive to business users.

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It looks like Walmart* is simply using the factory default programming for the XV2600 from back in the days of using XTN series radios. They probably just used them as they come out of the box, like FRS bubble packs.

The OP said he can hear Walmart* radios just fine but they can't hear him. I think we've provided the OP with enough information to program his radio and he should be able to get it to work. No tone or code is needed for the receiver, just listen in CSQ mode. The transmitted CTCSS/PL tone or DCS/DPL code needs to be correct for Walmart* radios to hear him.

If I worked at Walmart* corporate and called the shots on what radios to use, I would move them all to the DLR radios on 900MHz and abandon VHF MURS. The DLRs will work way better for the employee's needs and won't be overheard or bothered by anybody else. They also offer a few rather cool features attractive to business users.

:)

My thought on why they use MURS as opposed to DLR is based on cost. Maybe they get a great deal on the older radios from Motorola in terms of purchasing new and servicing broken units. There's also the cost of replacing every radio in the company with a new DLR and then the cost of man hours to learn how to program them so that anyone with a DLR can't just listen in. I'm presuming the CPS is the same and they wouldn't need a new license for programming the DLR? Of course, in the long run, it's worth it to make the switch.

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My thought on why they use MURS as opposed to DLR is based on cost. Maybe they get a great deal on the older radios from Motorola in terms of purchasing new and servicing broken units. There's also the cost of replacing every radio in the company with a new DLR and then the cost of man hours to learn how to program them so that anyone with a DLR can't just listen in. I'm presuming the CPS is the same and they wouldn't need a new license for programming the DLR? Of course, in the long run, it's worth it to make the switch.

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The cost of a DLR isn't much more than the MURS radios, about $50 or so more. The DLRs are usable right out of the box and setting the 4-digit Profile ID to something other than the 0000 default to make them Walmart* specific doesn't require the CPS. Customization of features and settings requires the CPS. The CPS is the same CPS used on Motorola's business radios including the MURS models and is a free download from Motorola. The programming cable is around $40. The programming cable is the same cable used for the other business radios including the MURS models.

There's a small cost issue with upgrading to the DLRs and the rest of it is education about them. It would be worth it for Walmart* in the long run. It sure didn't take me long to get totally hooked on the DLRs and DTRs. They work and work very well for local on-site simplex type use especially indoors where businesses are located and that's exactly what they were designed for. For my wife and I they are a nice high quality professional alternative to using FRS bubble packs.

Enjoy listening to Walmart* on VHF MURS while you can.
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The cost of a DLR isn't much more than the MURS radios, about $50 or so more. The DLRs are usable right out of the box and setting the 4-digit Profile ID to something other than the 0000 default to make them Walmart* specific doesn't require the CPS. Customization of features and settings requires the CPS. The CPS is the same CPS used on Motorola's business radios including the MURS models and is a free download from Motorola. The programming cable is around $40. The programming cable is the same cable used for the other business radios including the MURS models.

There's a small cost issue with upgrading to the DLRs and the rest of it is education about them. It would be worth it for Walmart* in the long run. It sure didn't take me long to get totally hooked on the DLRs and DTRs. They work and work very well for local on-site simplex type use especially indoors where businesses are located and that's exactly what they were designed for. For my wife and I they are a nice high quality professional alternative to using FRS bubble packs.

Enjoy listening to Walmart* on VHF MURS while you can.
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Fair enough then, like I said earlier I know nothing about DLR haha. I didn't realize the CPS was free, I thought I'd was like $260 when I looked into getting it for my digital radio. They didn't look like they were FPP capable so that's why I presumed you needed the CPS to set it up to be Walmart specific.

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My Walmart doesn't use any tone to transmit. Anyone can hear them on 154.570. But they won't hear you unless you break their squelch with the right tone. Get it now??

There's nothing to get.

If their radios aren't transmitting a CTCSS tone or DCS code, then neither is necessary for them to hear you. If Wal-Mart corporate programmed radios are unable to hear your keyups, there are only two possible causes:

1. Your TX frequency is wrong, or

2. They are using some tone/code, but your method to detect the tone/code is flawed, and is not detecting the tone/code being used.

As I said before, your best bet is to use a scanner with Close Call or equivalent function, as that will correctly detect both the frequency being used, and any CTCSS or DCS tone/code.
 

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There's nothing to get.

If their radios aren't transmitting a CTCSS tone or DCS code, then neither is necessary for them to hear you. If Wal-Mart corporate programmed radios are unable to hear your keyups, there are only two possible causes:

1. Your TX frequency is wrong, or

2. They are using some tone/code, but your method to detect the tone/code is flawed, and is not detecting the tone/code being used.

As I said before, your best bet is to use a scanner with Close Call or equivalent function, as that will correctly detect both the frequency being used, and any CTCSS or DCS tone/code.

Maybe they've up'd their game and are using radios with 2-tone, 5 tone or MDC encoding. Seems unlikely with Walmart but maybe they've had a problem with the CCR crowd butting in to their comms.
 

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My Walmart doesn't use any tone to transmit. Anyone can hear them on 154.570. But they won't hear you unless you break their squelch with the right tone. Get it now??



You may think you know radio well, but your posts here have proven you know nothing. People have tried to help numerous times in this thread.
 

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Maybe they've up'd their game and are using radios with 2-tone, 5 tone or MDC encoding. Seems unlikely with Walmart but maybe they've had a problem with the CCR crowd butting in to their comms.
The MURS radios Walmart* uses don't have any of these features. I'm not aware of any squeaky clean and legal MURS radio that does.


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You may think you know radio well, but your posts here have proven you know nothing. People have tried to help numerous times in this thread.
Exactly. (LOL)
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It would help us to be able to help him,if he did tell us.


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The OP has received lots of good suggestions (and some bad), but this isn't going anywhere...closing.
 
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