West Chester County/Greenwich on 154.205 CTCSS 192.8

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No. Haven't been able to up here. I've had it programmed in my scanner since the original post and nothing but crickets. I've only been able to listen to it from the videos posted by the OP.
Yeah, how strange that he's the only one hearing anything and out on the island, no less. Makes me wonder if he's hearing an image of some sort.

@Teambudjr are you able to confirm 154.205 192.8 PL on any other receiver other than the SDS200? Let's try to rule out any weirdness with the scanner itself.
 

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You do realize that's not what we are talking about in this thread. Scroll up and read the last 15 posts to see that.



No. Haven't been able to up here. I've had it programmed in my scanner since the original post and nothing but crickets. I've only been able to listen to it from the videos posted by the OP.
You do realize I just wanted to comment just because haha
 

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It sounds like the OP may be hearing WCPD F3 through a mix or spurious response in his scanner since F3 is 192.8 PL same as he is reporting on 154.205. If it is a SDS200 then typical SDS glitch.
 

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It sounds like the OP may be hearing WCPD F3 through a mix or spurious response in his scanner since F3 is 192.8 PL same as he is reporting on 154.205. If it is a SDS200 then typical SDS glitch.
Indeed, which is why I would like him to listen to 154.205 with a different receiver to see what, if anything, he picks up.
 

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From eastern Nassau, I have been listening to Orange County Fire Simulcast (60 miles by air) CTCSS 123.0 because I have relatives and friends in Middletown and Washingtonville.

Would love to know how signal is when listening to 154.205 for Orange County especially since they went simulcast for paging, does it come in clear or spotty?

I use to live in Washingtonville area and was a member to a department nearby and moved just shy half of a year of them switching to simulcast. I know when we made trips down to Long Island with fire apparatus depending on what tower they selected on 154.205 you could hear decently and lowband was the same.
 

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Would love to know how signal is when listening to 154.205 for Orange County especially since they went simulcast for paging, does it come in clear or spotty?

I use to live in Washingtonville area and was a member to a department nearby and moved just shy half of a year of them switching to simulcast. I know when we made trips down to Long Island with fire apparatus depending on what tower they selected on 154.205 you could hear decently and lowband was the same.
Orange County 154.205 comes in strong most of the time. My discone is 100 feet above sea level and I am on the border of Nassau and Suffolk county.
 

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You guys hit it right on the nose.. THANKS, I put it in my 996P2 and I an NOT receiving it.....Now my question is, Does anyone know what the correct Frequency is? It is a very interesting freq to listen to. Last night they were talking about the Sprain Parkway. It has to be an Interop frequency.
 

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You guys hit it right on the nose.. THANKS, I put it in my 996P2 and I an NOT receiving it.....Now my question is, Does anyone know what the correct Frequency is? It is a very interesting freq to listen to. Last night they were talking about the Sprain Parkway. It has to be an Interop frequency.

Westchester County F3 is 155.550 PL 192.8
 

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One thing to keep in mind for VHF high band - someone's simplex or output can be on someone else's repeater input frequency, and it will only happen when conditions are right. The Midwest fire frequencies were loaded with locked-up repeaters and howling messes because certain combinations of frequencies and tones locked up in just the right way. It was worse if someone had a repeater inputting as carrier squelch, which they shouldn't do, but is if a shop isn't all that knowledgeable. The result would be someone coming through on a frequency/tone where they don't belong. The NY metro area is much worse in terms of VHF congestion than any other part of the country and that potential is entirely possible.
 

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One thing to keep in mind for VHF high band - someone's simplex or output can be on someone else's repeater input frequency, and it will only happen when conditions are right. The Midwest fire frequencies were loaded with locked-up repeaters and howling messes because certain combinations of frequencies and tones locked up in just the right way. It was worse if someone had a repeater inputting as carrier squelch, which they shouldn't do, but is if a shop isn't all that knowledgeable. The result would be someone coming through on a frequency/tone where they don't belong. The NY metro area is much worse in terms of VHF congestion than any other part of the country and that potential is entirely possible.
A very good point to keep in mind although it turned out not to be relevant in this case where it was a receiver issue. My first thought, as I mentioned in my early post, was I have observed some VFDs patching scanner audio to their "private" channel when there is an incident in progress.

I have seen some cases where the lockup involved a chain of more than 2 repeaters to reach the magic combination of input and output frequencies and PLs to set up the lockup loop. In some cases where there was a good reason to have CSQ repeater input "reverse PL" logic was used to block an interfering signal with known PL.
 

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I have seen some cases where the lockup involved a chain of more than 2 repeaters to reach the magic combination of input and output frequencies and PLs to set up the lockup loop.
One famous situation was Hoboken receiving Bayonne on 170.15 when Bayonne was on 166.25. Turns out Philadelphia Fire Rescue was in carrier squelch and was retransmitting Bayonne. Newark FD used to retransmit Northampton and Anne Arundel Counties. Of course that was a long time ago and most of those departments are different now, but VHF just gets more crowded.
 

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One famous situation was Hoboken receiving Bayonne on 170.15 when Bayonne was on 166.25. Turns out Philadelphia Fire Rescue was in carrier squelch and was retransmitting Bayonne. Newark FD used to retransmit Northampton and Anne Arundel Counties. Of course that was a long time ago and most of those departments are different now, but VHF just gets more crowded.
The 151 VHF Highway channels in Central NY used to be a real mess but many have switched to UHF trunked now. Some that stayed VHF now have CNYICC P25 CCs from the Oneida site co-channel with their output. The old situation was made worse by one county that reversed their input/output channels from what was coordinated and licensed. They got the worst of it with area repeaters and bases on their input but they didn't seem to care and have since gone UHF trunked.
 
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You guys hit it right on the nose.. THANKS, I put it in my 996P2 and I an NOT receiving it.....Now my question is, Does anyone know what the correct Frequency is? It is a very interesting freq to listen to. Last night they were talking about the Sprain Parkway. It has to be an Interop frequency.

Its 155.550 PL192.8, its been listed in the database for idek how long. Its still anolog. It is a Interop Frequency, Every Dept in Westchester has acess to it as a hotline frequency, so they can all talk to each other. Def good stuff to listen to. They also have a patch for F3 to the county trunk system.
 

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And it's used independently directly across the Hudson in Bergen County (KZI402). The only way they could clear Westchester to the levels they were already licensed at was to use very sharp nulls to the rear of the antennas with their backs toward Westchester and extremely low power. The transmitter at Alpine can't run more than 2.5 Watts output and the antenna had to be a special pattern to protect Westchester.
 

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Its 155.550 PL192.8, its been listed in the database for idek how long.

Westchester County Police 155.55 pl 7A has been licensed since as far back as the early 60's. Back then they were Westchester Parkway Police with Gray and White cars.
155.37 C.S. was the County Wide for many years starting in 1976 with the LEAA , but moved over to 155.310 in the 90's. 155.310 came from the old Sheriff's Department which ceased to exist in 1980.

Confirming the issues 902 mentioned, back in the 80's NYCPD was giving up some of their 151 forestry channels as they moved to all UHF-T band.
The co-ordinator for that block of channels without checking with NYPD licensed a police agency across the river from NYC with the exact opposite pair of channels, and on top of it the same PL. So any unit that transmitted set off a feedback loop that lasted until the repeater timed out.
At the time I was working for a contractor that was installing new equipment for NYCTA which got those NYPD pairs. It took years and some litigation to fix it, but basically NYC said it's not our problem you fix it since we have been licensed on them since the 50's.
 

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The co-ordinator for that block of channels without checking with NYPD licensed a police agency across the river from NYC with the exact opposite pair of channels, and on top of it the same PL. So any unit that transmitted set off a feedback loop that lasted until the repeater timed out.
At the time I was working for a contractor that was installing new equipment for NYCTA which got those NYPD pairs. It took years and some litigation to fix it, but basically NYC said it's not our problem you fix it since we have been licensed on them since the 50's.
There were some changes along the years as people who did coordination retired or died. It used to be very common for neighboring jurisdictions to be lumped onto the same frequencies, especially on the fire frequencies. Sometimes it worked out okay, because there was mutual aid, but it went very bad when towns changed PLs and some even took simplex channels and made them into repeaters, each with independent dispatching.

More recently, all of the coordinators are supposed to be using the same methodologies for picking and protecting frequencies, but mixing digital and analog has complicated the process, and narrowbanding didn't free up anything because they halved 15 kHz channels to 7.5 with overlap into the adjacents instead of going to 6.25 and 12.5 kHz spacing that would have had no overlaps. In NYC and NJ, those resources are scarce. That's why the big systems like NJ's NJICS are so popular, because they're the only way to get communication if you are a new agency or have outgrown your old capabilities.

The coordinators don't assign PL or paging tones (thank goodness!). Those are picked, usually by the manufacturer or local radio shop. I used to be the guy at my shop who kept a big typewritten list of frequencies and tones, like the database here, but back in the 80s and early 90s. There are so many places now that don't know the business, or they're mail order (really they're wide-area Internet businesses, but mail order sounds worse), and they won't even look in the database here to see what's what. They just plop someone down and there they are.

A while back, some people in the industry wanted the FCC to record CTCSS/CDCSS/NAC/color codes/etc. and they wanted Industry Canada TAFL style records of receiver sites, including what frequency is paired with what other in repeaters. The FCC didn't have anything against it, they started the CLS initiative (consolidated licensing service) to replace ULS and the little baby databases kept by the other bureaus, but funding ran out and the people who were managing the project are more than likely retired or dead (some, both) by now. Anytime ULS needs to be modified, they have to find funding, first, then have someone code a patch. So, recording those things so you can see an official record just wasn't in the cards. But the database guys here do it all the time and it looks more user-friendly than ULS. Go figure.
 
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