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XTS 3000 Programming -Instruction

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For what its worth, the radios you're hoping to use on GMRS are not type accepted for Part 95 operation, and would be illegal to use on GMRS. Between that and the potential inability to properly match the GMRS operating parameters, I would recommend just getting a proper type accepted GMRS radio.
 

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For what its worth, the radios you're hoping to use on GMRS are not type accepted for Part 95 operation, and would be illegal to use on GMRS. Between that and the potential inability to properly match the GMRS operating parameters, I would recommend just getting a proper type accepted GMRS radio.
part 90 radios excede part 95 radio specs.. Before the glut of cheap-o GMRS radios the only radios able to be used were commercial two way radios.. There are thousands of users using Motorola Kenwood, and other manufactures. I would take a 20 year old Motorola XTS3000 over a Baofeng any day. By the way the repeaters.. Who makes those? Motorola Kenwood vertex....
 

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part 90 radios excede part 95 radio specs.. Before the glut of cheap-o GMRS radios the only radios able to be used were commercial two way radios.. There are thousands of users using Motorola Kenwood, and other manufactures. I would take a 20 year old Motorola XTS3000 over a Baofeng any day. By the way the repeaters.. Who makes those? Motorola Kenwood vertex....

That's a wholly inaccurate statement…especially the part about before the glut of cheap GMRS radios as there were plenty of Part 95 certified radios out there…they just all happened to be certified for Part 90 as well.
 

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part 90 radios excede part 95 radio specs..

While some Part 90 radios may MEET the specs for Part 95, the FCC is quite clear that Part 95 certified radios are required on GMRS.

Just because 'everyone else' ignores those rules does not negate the existing FCC requirements.

Before the glut of cheap-o GMRS radios the only radios able to be used were commercial two way radios.. There are thousands of users using Motorola Kenwood, and other manufactures. I would take a 20 year old Motorola XTS3000 over a Baofeng any day. By the way the repeaters.. Who makes those? Motorola Kenwood vertex....

I'd agree with you.

However, you are missing that back then, companies like Kenwood, Motorola and Icom had UHF radios (portable, mobiles and repeaters) that actually had both FCC Part 95 —AND— FCC Part 90 certifications.
 

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While some Part 90 radios may MEET the specs for Part 95, the FCC is quite clear that Part 95 certified radios are required on GMRS.

Just because 'everyone else' ignores those rules does not negate the existing FCC requirements.



I'd agree with you.

However, you are missing that back then, companies like Kenwood, Motorola and Icom had UHF radios (portable, mobiles and repeaters) that actually had both FCC Part 95 —AND— FCC Part 90 certifications.
Really off topic- but has part 90 exclusive stuff ever been allowed on GMRS? Around me there’s a small public safety-ish organization using an ancient GMRS license and their stuff is not part 95.
 

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I have nothing else to add, except the rules is the rules, thems the breaks. If you want to legally use Part 90 equipment on Part 95, get the FCC to change the rules. Until then, Part 95 radios is what is required.
 

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That said, 99.9% chance you won’t get in trouble. I would advise not doing that but most GMRS users just do it anyway and another local radio shop owner (who I don’t much care for) sells and programs a bunch of new and used part 90 stuff to GMRS users and has yet to get in trouble.
 

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Is the only reason you don't run reds and speed on the road the fact that you might get a ticket?
 

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local radio shop owner (who I don’t much care for) sells and programs a bunch of new and used part 90 stuff to GMRS users and has yet to get in trouble.

That's a shame.
Shops have been busted for doing this kind of stuff, and it happens frequently enough that they should be paying attention.

Doing it as a hobby and getting a hand slapped might be fine for an individual

Doing it as a professional where one might have a GROL ticket, multiple other LMR licenses, the reputation as a good shop, and some level of pride in ones work should flash some warning signs. Taking pride in ones profession is something that many don't have, and all they see is dollar signs.

For some of us, integrity is important and something we value. Some, not so much.
 

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Is the only reason you don't run reds and speed on the road the fact that you might get a ticket?
A similar analogy is this. Would you feel safer going 25 MPH in a straight line in a road legal rusty junker or a super car that isn’t road legal?
 

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That's a shame.
Shops have been busted for doing this kind of stuff, and it happens frequently enough that they should be paying attention.

Doing it as a hobby and getting a hand slapped might be fine for an individual

Doing it as a professional where one might have a GROL ticket, multiple other LMR licenses, the reputation as a good shop, and some level of pride in ones work should flash some warning signs. Taking pride in ones profession is something that many don't have, and all they see is dollar signs.

For some of us, integrity is important and something we value. Some, not so much.
Same guy called me a half ass for not owning a 30K service monitor even though I don’t do alignments and then proceeded to cancel a client’s active license and install a 50 watt repeater loose on top of a piece of plywood. He has been in business 30 years. Here I am totally off topic again…
 
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