XTS 5000 Programing Services on Ebay

[qc]

Hi, wanted to ask if anyone has used patriot_digital Motorola Programming service? MOTOROLA PROGRAMMING XTS 3000, 2500, 5000 TRUNKING AND CONV PROGRAMMIN | eBay

I was thinking of buying one of the XT5000 he listed XTS 5000 700 / 800Mhz FREE TRUNK PROGRAMMING ALL ACC | eBay

there is Project 25 Phase I Simulcast system in my area and wanted dedicated radio for some of the talk groups with no affiliate


any help would be appreciated

 

[Ant9270]

I’ve used him 2 times for a friend. He knows what he’s doing, and the radio certainly did not affiliate to any systems. However, his method of programming NAS is much different from the “Hidden TG” method as he uses the “TX inhibit” method which is a bit problematic and if that switch flips, bam you’ve affiliated. It may be easier/better to take the time to study the NAS hidden TG method rather then spend money on programming. However, overall he knows what he’s doing and the radios didn’t affiliate overall.

 

[MTS2000des]

However, his method of programming NAS is much different from the “Hidden TG” method as he uses the “TX inhibit” method which is a bit problematic and if that switch flips, bam you’ve affiliated.

Yup, and any chance it attempts to affiliate or generate any RF on at all, the owner commits a felony or two or three, and the "I bought it off eBay like this" excuse is not an affirmative defense.

 

[qc]

Thank you Ant9270

 

[N4BSH]

A SDS100 or better yet a Unication Pager would be a better option for that P25 Phase 1 Simulcast system IMO.

I know those ebay radios look like a good deal, but if there programed wrong and that code plug is not correct and you affiliate on that system you have commited a felony not to mention your radio will be a brick.

Not worth it IMO

=)

 

[MTS2000des]

I know those ebay radios look like a good deal, but if there programed wrong and that code plug is not correct and you affiliate on that system you have commited a felony not to mention your radio will be a brick.

I would be curious if these sellers are offering a written guarantee that if the buyer is arrested and charged for having such a radio with unauthorized system keys/RIDs, will they at minimum own up to their programming and offer legal counsel? I seriously doubt it.

No one ever got charged or convicted for programming a scanner or passive receiver like a Unication. Not one documented case of those emitting RF on the control or voice channels occurred either.

 

[Twister_2]

I would be curious if these sellers are offering a written guarantee that if the buyer is arrested and charged for having such a radio with unauthorized system keys/RIDs, will they at minimum own up to their programming and offer legal counsel? I seriously doubt it.

No one ever got charged or convicted for programming a scanner or passive receiver like a Unication. Not one documented case of those emitting RF on the control or voice channels occurred either.

System keys aren’t written to the radio. The purchaser is never in possession of a system ID.

 

[slobonmycob]

System keys aren’t written to the radio. The purchaser is never in possession of a system ID.

Can you expand on this? Don't you need a System Key to monitor?

 

[Twister_2]

Can you expand on this? Don't you need a System Key to monitor?

One may or may not need one to program a trunked system but keys are not written to a radio. In fact, in many cases, a key is not needed at all. For example, program a phase I nas to an apx but don’t touch the system key field. You can still do nas via hidden tg.

 

[slobonmycob]

One may or may not need one to program a trunked system?

What about phase 1 FDMA?

 

[Twister_2]

What about phase 1 FDMA?

Idk, you tell me. Give it a try.

 

[Ant9270]

One may or may not need one to program a trunked system but keys are not written to a radio. In fact, in many cases, a key is not needed at all. For example, program a phase I nas to an apx but don’t touch the system key field. You can still do nas via hidden tg.

I think you’re very confused. You cannot alter any of the “Trunking System” or “Trunking Personalities” tabs without importing a key.

 

[Twister_2]

I think you’re very confused. You cannot alter any of the “Trunking System” or “Trunking Personalities” tabs without importing a key.

Yes you can. You must not have tried enough combinations of radios and cps.

 

[Ant9270]

Yes you can. You must not have tried enough combinations of radios and cps.

There’s no way to NAS scan a system other then the proven methods of TX inhibit concentric switch, or the hidden talkgroups To my knowledge. Regardless, you still need to import a key to utilize those methods, do you not? You must be talking about the voice channel scan method, which really isn’t that great for active systems. I’ve never heard of being able to alter trunking settings on any flavor of Motorola CPS without importing a key. Maybe you can enlighten the board since you seem so positive there’s another way?

 

[Twister_2]

Please read post #9. That’s where this all started.

Give it a try and post your results.

 

[MTS2000des]

System keys aren’t written to the radio. The purchaser is never in possession of a system ID.

doesn't matter. possessing a radio capable of transmitting on a closed network in some states already is enough to be hung up for a computer crime.
and the response above would be something one would offer up after standing in an orange jumpsuit, in front of a judge, after one has to answer to the charges like the 5 clowns in Ohio now are.
again, no one has ever been charged for programming a scanner, and scanners don't have transmitters, so any claim that they access a closed network or are even capable is laughable.
Do as one pleases but one should not think this is all free and clear and a consequence free environment, because it's a very gray area and potential consequences can be very far reaching and not worth the overall cost of entry.

 

[Twister_2]

doesn't matter. possessing a radio capable of transmitting on a closed network in some states already is enough to be hung up for a computer crime.
and the response above would be something one would offer up after standing in an orange jumpsuit, in front of a judge, after one has to answer to the charges like the 5 clowns in Ohio now are.
again, no one has ever been charged for programming a scanner, and scanners don't have transmitters, so any claim that they access a closed network or are even capable is laughable.
Do as one pleases but one should not think this is all free and clear and a consequence free environment, because it's a very gray area and potential consequences can be very far reaching and not worth the overall cost of entry.

I’m not arguing that, I’m just pointing out what the system key actually does and where it resides.

 

[crazyboy]

Please read post #9. That’s where this all started.

Give it a try and post your results.

You 100% need a system key to program/edit trunking data in Motorola CPS.

 

[Twister_2]

You 100% need a system key to program/edit trunking data in Motorola CPS.

Nope.

 

[murrayustud]

I have 3 radios that this guy did for me. had them quite a while, no issues at all in any way, they are fantastic! Never had any issue with them affiliating or anything else. Just one heck of a durable scanner!