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XTS3000 MODAT availability
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I own a lot of amateur and GMRS repeaters. We use MDC and DOS on a few of them for identification, paging, and I use a console to send inhibit/enable commands to radios that I loan out that may not make their way back to me. We use DOS so the radios can mute the data bursts completely. I do find the MDC burst very annoying, hence why we use DOS. MODAT, in my opinion, is the most pleasing to the ears of all of the signalling protocols, but we don't use it here as there is no way for individual radios to decode the MODAT data. Plus, it was an identification protocol only and would not allow me to send inhibit commands to lost/stolen radios.
Most repeater owners would frown upon hearing any sort of signalling as most users would not be able to mute the data bursts or be able to decode the info that is being sent.
Most repeater owners would frown upon hearing any sort of signalling as most users would not be able to mute the data bursts or be able to decode the info that is being sent.
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It’s a beautiful thing when used with a repeater that fully supports it. Especially if the strip PL from signaling options are enabled on the repeater and subs. Then it’s just down to squelching out the transmission with a RX tone. Just like using Yaesu’s system fusion repeaters in mixed mode.
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I still believe that Motorola makes the best radios overall. While the GE legacy brands now known as Harris have improved dramatically over the years and I'm running current generation Harris radios for some purposes, they've never manage to impress me the way that always happens any time I get some new Motorola public safety grade product in my hands. Meanwhile I consider Chinese radios to be abominable crap 100 percent of the time and have no intention of getting any.
Fine if you actually use modat for a legitimate signalling purpose. But don't use it on an amateur repeater. That definitively will mark you as an extreme wanker.
Fine if you actually use modat for a legitimate signalling purpose. But don't use it on an amateur repeater. That definitively will mark you as an extreme wanker.
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I agree one million %.
Look, I think MODAT sounds better than MDC1200, DTMF ANI, or that god-awful Baofeng roger beep (all of which are used in my area). As another post said above: if you don’t like it, then switch the dang channel. No one is asking anyone to stay and listen, so if you’re not in a QSO on that repeater, then freaking move to another one. Or stay. It doesn’t make any difference to me. Also, just to clarify, I will turn off my signaling on a repeater if the owner tells me DIRECTLY to do so. Otherwise, it stays on. I’m not causing any harmful interference in doing so, and I’m not hurting anyone in the process, so it’s perfectly legal. Lucky for me, the repeaters are signaling-friendly where I am, so I don’t have to worry about it.
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I'm confused. Isn't this whole thread really about MDC 1200 signaling? I know what MODAT is. MODAT hasn't been around for many, many years......
No, it’s about MODAT. As of yesterday, I flashed a XTS3000 for MODAT, but there seems to be a major problem with hams thinking a 1.5 second data burst is the end of the freaking earth, and that it’s very annoying. Ah, ham radio...never gets old!
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LMAO! Loved the MODAT data burst back in the day! Good stuff!
We should code up an arduino or pi decoder.
Yes you are right, however if the person complaining isn't a owner or trustee they can simply pound salt.
I allow any kind of signalling on my 900 repeater. If someone doesn't like it then they don't have to use the repeater.
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If the rules are published, it's implied. Example:
"Roger Beeps", sound effects, deliberate feedback, deliberate echo, MDC codes. ANI and other unit identifier tones, paging tones, digital signalling, voice inversion, scrambling, and all types of encryption are prohibited. If you're not sure, it's probably prohibited. Again, the repeaters are for FM voice radio telephone.
At some point, these guys are just going to have to get over it. What if an operator had someone else program his/her radio for them? What are they going to do if they got MDC installed on that channel, and everybody starts complaining? At the end of the day, ham radio is just a hobby. I think it’s sad that folks have to live in fear of other operators getting pissed at them using a data burst...I think it’s a bunch of BS.
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If you were watching TV, & the TV station you watched all the time transmitted a modat data burst every 10 seconds, would you get sick, & tired of it, or would it still be cool after a month?
First of all, hams are long-winded, so make that every 60 seconds at the least. Also personally, I wouldn’t get tired of it. These “rules” are a downward spiral. Now they tell you that you can’t use any digital ID systems, then soon they’ll say that you can’t talk about politics or other controversial topics on the repeater. I really think there really isn’t an argument against a quick chirp when I key up. Instead, it’s someone else’s opinion. Again, if you don’t like it, than go to another repeater or go to HF. I really don’t give a rip. Also, since when can someone report you to the FCC for using a freaking digital ID? But I guess there will always be the overreacting, old farts that will tell you to “turn that d*** thing off, or I’ll ban you from my repeater”. Fine, go ahead and ban me. As long as my license is current, I can talk on your repeater (you in the context of the hypothetical repeater owner). If someone decides to set up a repeater and open it up for public ham use, they should expect this and not be jerks about it. This is one reason why I didn’t get my license, and why I use it only a few times a week. But let’s look in the bright side: there are some hams who, despite what the other operators think, don’t care if you use a roger beep, DTMF ANI, MDC, MODAT, or anything else. THOSE owners just want people to have fun using their repeater, and to enjoy ham radio. This should not be a hobby of fear, and anxiety and the thought of getting caught using a digital ID.
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And this is why so many DMR repeater owners are now using RAS. You have explained it perfectly.
You're 100% correct, if the rules are published then you must comply. Rules will vary from repeater to repeater, some are more laid back, and some are not. If I'm going to use any kind of signaling I will usually get in contact with the repeater owner/trustee. If they don't have a problem with it then I don't care if others complain. There are a few linked repeater systems near me that I do use Pre MDC on, and that is to prevent me from clipping. Being that its pre MDC on a linked system you will not hear the signalling most of the time. The owners of these systems do not have a problem with me doing so.
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Eh, a repeater owner can bar someone from using their repeater, the repeater is private property. My club as banned people from using the repeater for jamming and other harmful interference. However, nothing really prevents you from talking on the repeater output as long as you are smart about it.
I agree. All I’m saying is that it’s stupid to tell someone not to use a digital ID...but that’s just my opinion.
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