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Christian County 700 (4-3) has been decently busy today. It sounds like they've patched their County Law 2 channel from their DMR system to MOSWIN. I'm mostly only hearing the dispatchers traffic, and then very occasionally a unit will respond. I can hear a very faint DMR keyup tone in the background.

I only had a few minutes to listen to recording, and review UniTrunker data... but something to keep an ear on if you're in the area.
 
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wbloss said:
"Missing" sites:
I'm doing a bit of MOSWIN investigating.
Assuming ALL the site numbers are still in effect from the sequential numbering, which generally followed their on-air date, we have not found a few sites that are likely to be on the air:

Zone-Site number:
1-16 - would have been on the air for a long time, likely somewhere in Outstate/Central Missouri. surely VHF
1-73 - Most likely 700 MHz, probably on the air since mid 2021
1-92 - Most likely 700 MHz, probably on the air since mid 2023
1-94 - same as above
1-97 - same as above
1-101 - same
1-102 - same
2-004 - St Louis area most likely 800 MHz
3-050 - Most likely 700MHz and in the SE part of the state, where the rest of Zone 3 is located
3-052 - same as above
3-058 - same as above

CAN YOU look for these "missing" sites? If you travel in MO, take a minute every 50 miles or so and do a search.
Thanks!
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There are going to be "missing" sites as you have called them. They were previous or temporary sites that no longer exist. As Zone 5 comes alive, other sites will get moved into Zone 5 and new ones will not take their place in their old zones.

As far as site 2-004 goes, that used to be a site in O'Fallon. Prior to SLATER going online, the city of O'Fallon had an 800 MHz trunking system that was linked to rest of Region 2 and eventually the rest of MOSWIN. When SLATER came online, O'Fallon shut off its old system. Thus no more 2-004.
 
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Thanks @bdzig that clears up 2-004, and you are correct there will be new "holes" in Zone 1 as they migrate to Z5.
However, I expect at least some of the others missed in a strict sequence as listed are yet to be identified. WOrth being on the lookout when traveling!
 
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Anybody for got any updated site info for Zone 5 troop H & A? I'm trying to set up a wildcard on my unication g5 to get some info some hopefully.
 
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@Firemen605 what you see in the database is what has been identified so far in sites that have had their ZOne changed. If you see more, please submit.
 
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wbloss said:
"Missing" sites:
I'm doing a bit of MOSWIN investigating.
Assuming ALL the site numbers are still in effect from the sequential numbering, which generally followed their on-air date, we have not found a few sites that are likely to be on the air:

Zone-Site number:
1-16 - would have been on the air for a long time, likely somewhere in Outstate/Central Missouri. surely VHF
1-73 - Most likely 700 MHz, probably on the air since mid 2021
1-92 - Most likely 700 MHz, probably on the air since mid 2023
1-94 - same as above
1-97 - same as above
1-101 - same
1-102 - same
2-004 - St Louis area most likely 800 MHz
3-050 - Most likely 700MHz and in the SE part of the state, where the rest of Zone 3 is located
3-052 - same as above
3-058 - same as above

CAN YOU look for these "missing" sites? If you travel in MO, take a minute every 50 miles or so and do a search.
Thanks!
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While traveling across Missouri, I logged info on the following MOSWIN sites (that are not listed in the RRDB). This should help with your investigation of missing sites.

System: MOSWIN, Site: 1.097 : Unknown​
System: MOSWIN, Site: 1.101 : Unknown​
System: MOSWIN, Site: 3.050 : Unknown​
System: MOSWIN, Site: 3.060 : Unknown *****​

The only site I received directly was 3.60. The other sites are based on advertisements from neighboring sites.
Code: 
#################
# Site:  1.97    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    769.2812 
    Neighbors:  
            1.15 - Boonville
            1.70 - Otterville 700
            5.18 - Unknown
          
          
#################
# Site:    1.101    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    773.05625
    Neighbors:  
            1.13 - Ashland
            1.15 - Boonville
            1.47 - Columbia 700



#################
# Site:    3.50    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    769.15625
    Neighbors:  
            1.65 - Vandalia 700
            3.29 - New Hope
          


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#Site: 3.60   : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################

Site: 3.60   NAC=1CA  BSI=WPTZ785
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.3      ; Benton
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.4      ; Farrar
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.33     ; Cape Girardeau 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.46     ; Marble Hill 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.55     ; Cape Girardeau City Simulcast 700

    Channel 1-1144:   769.15625    CC
    Channel 1-1184:   769.40625        SCC
    Channel 1-1224:   769.65625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1264:   769.90625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1304:   770.15625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1344:   770.40625                          BSI
 
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Thanks @RMason for the insight - the sites that are now zone 5 are not "new", just remumbered from ZOne 1. All of this is good fodder and may help. Need to dig out the maps!
 
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wbloss said:
the sites that are now zone 5 are not "new", just remumbered from ZOne 1.
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Here is what I logged for 'unknown' sites in zone 5 while traveling through the KC area. I took some time to try to line up the NAC, Frequency List, and Neighbors List against sites in zone 1 to help identify the renumbering.

System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.006 : Likely Independence ****
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.007 :
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.010 :
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.018 : Possibly Sedalia 700 ****
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.019 : ****
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.020 :
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.021 : Possibly Richmond 700 ****
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.023 :
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.024 : Likely Lee's Summit 700 ****
System: MOSWIN, Site: 5.025 : Possibly Odessa 700 ****

SitesI received directly are marked with **** above. The other sites are based on advertisements from neighboring sites.

This should help with identifying renumbered sites.

Code: 
#################
#Site: 5.6    : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################

Site: 5.6    NAC=1C4

    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.29
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.68     ; Richmond 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.99     ; Site-On-Wheels (SOW 3-099)
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.5      ; Lawson
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.11     ; Dearborn
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.21
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.24
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.25
    Neighbor: BEE00.2B0-4.1      ; MO Kansas City Simulcast

    Channel 5-2502:   154.935          SCC
    Channel 4-2692:   169.65                VOICE
    Channel 4-2761:   170.5125     CC
    Channel 4-2831:   171.3875              VOICE

#################
#Site: 5.7    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    169.66250
    Neighbors:    1.70 - Otterville 700
            5.18 -
            5.22 - Windsor 700
            

#################
#Site: 5.10    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    169.77500   
    Neighbors:    5.21 - 

#################
#Site 5.18    : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################

Site: 5.18   NAC=1C3

    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.70     ; Otterville 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.75
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.97
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.98     ; Carthage - Trailer 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.1      ; Aullville
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.7
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.8      ; Pipertown
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.22     ; Windsor 700

    Channel 1-1144:   769.15625    CC
    Channel 1-1184:   769.40625        SCC
    Channel 1-1224:   769.65625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1264:   769.90625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1304:   770.15625             VOICE

#################
#Site 5.19    : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################

Site: 5.19   NAC=1C1

    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.98     ; Trailer 2
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.1      ; Aullville
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.2      ; Dayton / Aaron  (*)
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.22     ; Windsor 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.24
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.25

    Channel 1-1152:   769.20625    CC
    Channel 1-1192:   769.45625        SCC

#################
#Site 5.20    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    773.03125
    Neighbors:    5.22 - Windsor 700

#################
#Site 5.21    : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################

Site: 5.21   NAC=1C4

    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.28     ; Avalon
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.83
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.1      ; Aullville
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.5      ; Lawson
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.6
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.10
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.23
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.25
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.33     ; Kingston 700

    Channel 1-1150:   769.19375    CC
    Channel 1-1190:   769.44375        SCC
    Channel 1-1230:   769.69375             VOICE
    Channel 1-1310:   770.19375             VOICE

#################
#Site 5.23    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    773.05625
    Neighbors:    5.1 - Aullville
            5.8 - Pipertown
            5.21 -

#################
#Site 5.24    : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################
Site: 5.24   NAC=1CB

    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.87     ; Odessa 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.99     ; Site-On-Wheels (SOW 3-099)
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.2      ; Dayton / Aaron  (*)
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.6
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.19
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.25

    Channel 1-1146:   769.16875    CC
    Channel 1-1186:   769.41875        SCC
    Channel 1-1226:   769.66875             VOICE
    Channel 1-1266:   769.91875             VOICE
    Channel 1-1306:   770.16875             VOICE

#################
#Site 5.25    : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################

Site: 5.25   NAC=1CE  BSI=WPTZ785

    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-1.68     ; Richmond 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.1      ; Aullville
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.6
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.19
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.21
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-5.24

    Channel 1-1148:   769.18125    CC
    Channel 1-1188:   769.43125        SCC
    Channel 1-1228:   769.68125             VOICE
    Channel 1-1268:   769.93125             VOICE
    Channel 1-1308:   770.18125             VOICE
    Channel 1-1348:   770.43125                          BSI


System: MOSWIN, Site: 1.097 : Unknown
System: MOSWIN, Site: 1.101 : Unknown
System: MOSWIN, Site: 3.050 : Unknown
System: MOSWIN, Site: 3.060 : Unknown *****

#################
# Site:  1.97    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    769.2812   
    Neighbors:    1.15 - Boonville
            1.70 - Otterville 700
            5.18 - Unknown
            
            
#################
# Site:    1.101    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    773.05625
    Neighbors:    1.13 - Ashland
            1.15 - Boonville
            1.47 - Columbia 700



#################
# Site:    3.50    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    769.15625
    Neighbors:    1.65 - Vandalia 700
            3.29 - New Hope
            


#################
#Site: 3.60   : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################

Site: 3.60   NAC=1CA  BSI=WPTZ785
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.3      ; Benton
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.4      ; Farrar
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.33     ; Cape Girardeau 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.46     ; Marble Hill 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.55     ; Cape Girardeau City Simulcast 700

    Channel 1-1144:   769.15625    CC
    Channel 1-1184:   769.40625        SCC
    Channel 1-1224:   769.65625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1264:   769.90625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1304:   770.15625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1344:   770.40625                          BSI
 
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RMason said:
While traveling across Missouri, I logged info on the following MOSWIN sites (that are not listed in the RRDB). This should help with your investigation of missing sites.

System: MOSWIN, Site: 1.097 : Unknown​
System: MOSWIN, Site: 1.101 : Unknown​
System: MOSWIN, Site: 3.050 : Unknown​
System: MOSWIN, Site: 3.060 : Unknown *****​

The only site I received directly was 3.60. The other sites are based on advertisements from neighboring sites.
Code: 
#################
# Site:  1.97    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    769.2812
    Neighbors: 
            1.15 - Boonville
            1.70 - Otterville 700
            5.18 - Unknown
         
         
#################
# Site:    1.101    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    773.05625
    Neighbors: 
            1.13 - Ashland
            1.15 - Boonville
            1.47 - Columbia 700



#################
# Site:    3.50    : Inferred from neighbor site advertisement
#################
    Control:    769.15625
    Neighbors: 
            1.65 - Vandalia 700
            3.29 - New Hope
         


#################
#Site: 3.60   : Logged control channel information from DSDPlus.P25data
#################

Site: 3.60   NAC=1CA  BSI=WPTZ785
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.3      ; Benton
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.4      ; Farrar
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.33     ; Cape Girardeau 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.46     ; Marble Hill 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.55     ; Cape Girardeau City Simulcast 700

    Channel 1-1144:   769.15625    CC
    Channel 1-1184:   769.40625        SCC
    Channel 1-1224:   769.65625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1264:   769.90625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1304:   770.15625             VOICE
    Channel 1-1344:   770.40625                          BSI
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Site 3.60 is a new site in Cape Girardeau County. The site is in the Eastern part of the county near Trail of Tears State park (not in the park), It does not provide great coverage so I don't know if they are waiting to turn the power up or it is meant to be low profile. I had a -115 dbm signal in NE Cape City and -90 dbm at 177 & HWY W. Only traffic I heard while listening for a few hours this evening was Cape City Fire Main. No traffic from Cape PD, Troop, SEMO, Region E IO Call etc. was being passed through. I did not have anything with me to monitor CC data to determine if anyone else was attempting to affiliate.
 
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KD9FAL said:
Site 3.60 is a new site in Cape Girardeau County. The site is in the Eastern part of the county near Trail of Tears State park (not in the park), It does not provide great coverage so I don't know if they are waiting to turn the power up or it is meant to be low profile. I had a -115 dbm signal in NE Cape City and -90 dbm at 177 & HWY W. Only traffic I heard while listening for a few hours this evening was Cape City Fire Main. No traffic from Cape PD, Troop, SEMO, Region E IO Call etc. was being passed through. I did not have anything with me to monitor CC data to determine if anyone else was attempting to affiliate.
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Thanks for the info on the location of site 3.60. I logged this site overnight on Saturday (10/25) while staying in Perryville.

<edited> Let me review my logs to see what talkgroups I logged.
 
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RMason said:
Thanks for the info on the location of site 3.60. I logged this site overnight on Saturday (10/25) while staying in Perryville.

<edited> Let me review my logs to see what talkgroups I logged.
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Here are the calls I logged on 3.60:

Code: 
Hits   TG      Description
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   6  TG=4210 [[CGCi Fire Main] Cape Girardeau Fire Main City]
   3  TG=4237 [[CapeG ShfJksnPD] Sheriff Dispatch]
   2  TG=4244 [[SEMO Police] Southeast Missouri State University Police Dispatch]
  15  TG=4249 [[CapeGir FireDisp] Fire Dispatch En route Fire Disp 1]
 
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RMason said:
Here are the calls I logged on 3.60:

Code: 
Hits   TG      Description
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   6  TG=4210 [[CGCi Fire Main] Cape Girardeau Fire Main City]
   3  TG=4237 [[CapeG ShfJksnPD] Sheriff Dispatch]
   2  TG=4244 [[SEMO Police] Southeast Missouri State University Police Dispatch]
  15  TG=4249 [[CapeGir FireDisp] Fire Dispatch En route Fire Disp 1]
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Can you get a SITE NAC for 3-60?
 
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AB5ID said:
Is there a way to find out which talkgroups or counties typically affiliate with a specific tower site?
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You need a scanner that can log activity and set it for only that site or you need something like Unitrunker that can log all control channel activity. You would need to do either of those for days or weeks.
 
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Or you could stay close to your scanner and manually check which site is being used. On my 396xt for every site I program for MOSWIN I type I. The site number in the upper right portion of the screen. When a TG is active on the scanner the screen will show which site is being used.

If you use the sds100 and program multiple sites, it might show which site us being used. However, I have noticed that if you are very close to a site/transmit antenna, the scanner may always show the site you are close to.

Also remember, that with the MSHP they could have a car transmit through multiple sites at a time. I have seen that both in a rural area and an urban area.

Good luck. As mentioned above, any way you do it will take patience.
 
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The frequencies listed for the Mountain View site (3.37) seem to be possibly incorrect in the database.
3 (3)037 (25)Mountain View 700Howell, MO769.43125769.93125770.18125770.93125c773.55625774.05625c

While traveling in the area in October, I logged the following in DSD+. The frequencies logged appear to match template 'g'.
Code: 
Site: 3.37   NAC=1CC    ; Mountain View 700

    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.2      ; Van Buren
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.18     ; Alton
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.23     ; Willow Springs
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.25     ; Eminence
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.41     ; West Plains 700
    Neighbor: BEE00.1CE-3.48     ; Houston 700

    Channel 1-1764:   773.03125    CC
    Channel 1-1804:   773.28125        SCC
    Channel 1-1844:   773.53125             VOICE
    Channel 1-1884:   773.78125             VOICE

The frequencies reported by DSD+ do not overlap with those listed in the database. Can someone local to the area confirm the frequencies for the Mountain View site?
 
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