SDS100/SDS200: 2nd swollen SDS100 battery in 1 year

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One thread that seems pretty common is that it happens to batteries that are not used for a long period of time - perhaps batteries that are allowed to discharge nearly completely. Would that correctly describe the case here?
In one unit, I took a fully charged battery out of the SDS and set it on the desk. It only took 1 week to show signs of swelling. Really? One week to discharge one of these with no load? In my 2nd unit, I cycle it from vehicle to home to hand-held and charging is all over the place. So far, so good.

It would be VERY IMPORTANT to know if the way to keep these things from swelling is to make sure they don't discharge. I've always heard/read that you don't want to store them fully charged. Hmmmm......
 

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Admittedly, I don't own the SDS series. But, who here would trade some of the built-in bells and whistles (i.e. multi-color display) for a better performing and higher quality scanner? Sure, I understand that the myriad of tangible functions and options, while adding complexity, also add value and probably boost sales. But in the end, I'd suspect build quality would win.
 

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i've owned 6 of them and won't buy any more at this point. they all have their issues, dont forget the display brightness inconsistency on the sds100, the battery cover lock that can snap if you don't press down on the cover while lifting, the lack of firmware updates, still no way to lock the keypad, extra usb jack deemed for future use, still no band scope and waterfall, another feature that was supposed to be future. the sds200 has it's issues also, with the fading or lines in the display, uneven/dimly lit buttons, more unknown usb jacks, and the god....awful.....hum. this is obviously the best uniden can do and it's all we have for now, use and try to enjoy it while you can. i actually don't mind if my area goes encrypted so i can sell these and move on haha.
 

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It would be VERY IMPORTANT to know if the way to keep these things from swelling is to make sure they don't discharge. I've always heard/read that you don't want to store them fully charged. Hmmmm......
In my case I kept the battery fully charged in the scanner to have it ready if I wanted to take it with me. It suddenly blow off the battery door from the scanner with a bang and destroyed the clip. It was a 2 year old battery.

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In my case I kept the battery fully charged in the scanner to have it ready if I wanted to take it with me. It suddenly blow off the battery door from the scanner with a bang and destroyed the clip. It was a 2 year old battery.

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Yes unfortunately you have to leave a battery in the unit if you want to record to the SD card. I know the reason for them designing it that way. It is so you don't corrupt the SD card if you lose USB power while writing to the card. I have my radio set to refrain from charging the battery to hopefully prevent it from blowing. Mine is almost 3 years old. I think I am going to put my backup battery in a metal can or glass jar lol. If anyone knows a way to allow the radio to record while on USB power without the battery in the unit, please enlighten me.
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I know the reason for them designing it that way. It is so you don't corrupt the SD card if you lose USB power while writing to the card.
It's just the same low risk to lose USB power as it is to lose 12V to a mobile or base scanner, so to me it makes no sense. If necessary Uniden could add a function like the mass storage - serial data note when you connect a USB cable. If the playback recording function are enabled at power on, or when manual recording are started, it could show a text on the display for 10 sec that SD card could become corrupt if power are lost.

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It's just the same low risk to lose USB power as it is to lose 12V to a mobile or base scanner, so to me it makes no sense. If necessary Uniden could add a function like the mass storage - serial data note when you connect a USB cable. If the playback recording function are enabled at power on, or when manual recording are started, it could show a text on the display for 10 sec that SD card could become corrupt if power are lost.

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Yes that would be great if they could make a fix. But we all know by now that Uniden support for this line is bye-bye.
 

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When chatting about SDS 100's, I have one word to describe them: "CHEAP".
Uniden is going same way as Blackberry.
They will cause their own demise.
 

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Day #3, I removed the plastic shrink wrap, it's still expanding.... I don't feel right about having this in the house anymore. I think it's going to spend the night in the firepit out back.

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I just sold my sds100 to upgrade to the sds200. My main reason to sell it was to do the upgrade. I did have concerns regarding the battery because of basic battery issues that cell phones and other battery-operated devices have at times. I had my sds100 for over a year with the larger battery with no issues. That being said I am glad I did an upgrade. Near where I live, we had a business burn to the ground that had a large supply of lithium batteries. No official cause yet but personally I do not feel comfortable with these batteries after they are over a year old. Also, I really like my sds200.

I thought about the SDS-200, as it's virtually the same scanner as the SDS-100, but decided it would be too difficult to clip onto my belt. 😉
 

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In 2004 or 2005 , my 296D scanner was destroyed by exploding battery pack in my car which was parked and unoccupied. I might add that the battery pack exploded during the evening hours and the scanner was not wired. Uniden asked for the damaged scanner and sent me a new unit.
 
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i'm an audio guy and monitor a few different systems my area, my last new sds100 sits on the desk and is powered almost 24/7. i've been cycling the charge, basically i charge the stock battery until it's green and let it sit a day to see how it's charge LED behavior is while on , then i fully discharge the battery, then i'll recharge and repeat.

I am going to try 1 of 2 tests, first, i'm going to fully charge the battery and remove it from the scanner and let it sit for a few weeks, maybe even a month, and may go as long as 3 to see if this battery starts swelling, and second, during that time i'm going to start monitoring the systems and sites i usually listen to on the sds100, and see how it sounds out the speakers on one of my sds200's and if the audio is up to snuff, then it's bye bye sds100, i'm not playing this russian roulette any longer lol. oh yeah, the battery has swelled even more but i forgot to take a daily photo, maybe i'll snap one tomorrow.
 

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You can use your SDS100 without any battery if you power it from the USB connector. Using an external speaker with the SDS100 will give you a much better audio. It's the tiny internal speaker that are at fault and not the speaker amplifier that are capable to drive a full range 2 ohm Motorola speaker.

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You can use your SDS100 without any battery if you power it from the USB connector. Using an external speaker with the SDS100 will give you a much better audio. It's the tiny internal speaker that are at fault and not the speaker amplifier that are capable to drive a full range 2 ohm Motorola speaker.

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[/ I am considering removing the battery altogether, I have my SDS 100 on a pair of powered Amplified speakers that are modified for the correct phase.
 

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i'm an audio guy and monitor a few different systems my area, my last new sds100 sits on the desk and is powered almost 24/7. i've been cycling the charge, basically i charge the stock battery until it's green and let it sit a day to see how it's charge LED behavior is while on , then i fully discharge the battery, then i'll recharge and repeat.
I have a similar setup and after a year of being powered/charged 24/7, I removed the battery. It took less than 1 week to start swelling.

As the SDS-100 runs I tend to end up with a few soft lock-outs. My only real drawback to not having the battery installed (other than not scanning during a power failure) was having to re-learn whatever soft-lockouts I wanted to resume with.
 

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Just some reading from a reputable source...

What Makes Lithium Batteries Swell?
So let’s get down to why lithium batteries swell. Remember that what’s going on inside a battery to create energy is a chemical reaction. In the case of a lithium battery, that reaction involves electrons and electrolytes flowing from one end to the other.

Anything that disrupts the energy-producing chemical reaction going on inside the battery will create excess gas that has to go somewhere – so it tries to escape by pushing out on the exterior of the battery case. If you’ve ever taken a chemistry class, you may recall that when a chemical reaction is interrupted, a byproduct can be created. In this case, it’s gas, and it’s not good.

Why Do Lithium Batteries Swell?

The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign reminds us that the lithium-ion battery packs found in our everyday devices come with a built-in Battery Management System to help control the charging process and prevent that gas buildup. However, for the battery and management system to be able to do their jobs, the batteries need to be cared for.

So what can disrupt that chemical reaction in the battery and create gas, therefore causing a swollen battery? Let’s refer to our list above.

Extreme Temperatures
Many experts suggest this is the most common reason for a swollen battery. A study in the Electrochemical Society by the Samsung Energy Development Team of Samsung SDI Co., Ltd looked into the swelling properties of lithium-ion batteries. It showed that when stored at 194℉ (90℃) for four hours, the batteries expanded. The most swelling occurred in batteries that were fully charged.

According to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, consumers should always follow the manufacturer’s guidelines, including recommended storage requirements, temperature, and voltage.

Poor Quality or Damaged Battery
A poorly made (low-quality or cheap) battery sometimes just doesn’t perform correctly. Errors in its chemical reaction can cause the gas to build up, and each time you charge or try to use your device, more gas is released.

When in doubt, opt for a name-brand battery from a company you can trust.

Issues With Charging – Overcharging, Faulty Equipment, or Deep Discharging
Excessive overcharging of a battery or using a low-quality charger can put stress on the battery, causing that gas to build up and even causing the battery to discharge (lose its charge) quicker. Experts suggest you don’t leave your battery charging all the time. Unplug it and give it a chance to perform its function.

Why Do Lithium Batteries Swell?

Should I Be Concerned About a Swelling Lithium Battery?
According to Dell, a computer company well-versed in lithium-ion polymer batteries, a swollen battery may impact the performance of your device but doesn’t pose a safety issue. Pay attention for signs of a swollen battery, such as a gap between components, an uneven surface of your battery-powered device, or cracks. Unplug the device, power it down, and replace the swollen battery as soon as it’s detected.

If left unchecked, the University of Illinois says a swollen lithium battery can continue to generate more gas and create heat, eventually rupturing the battery. In severe cases, with the heightened temperature, flammable electrolyte, plus oxygen, a fire could occur.

What to Do With a Swollen Lithium Battery
Carefully remove a swollen lithium battery and identify an organization that will recycle it – do not throw it away, put it in a standard recycling bin, or put it in the water at any time. Never puncture a swollen battery.

I Fix It suggests locating a local e-waste collection site who will properly dispose of it. Visit their e-waste page to read the local regulations in your state and find a local establishment near you. Apple takes back its own batteries, and Best Buy recycles many types. Do a bit of research, and you’re sure to find a suitable place to recycle your old lithium battery.

Conclusion
Lithium batteries swell when the chemical reaction happening inside is disrupted. Factors that can cause this include extreme temperatures, poor quality or damage to the battery, or issues with charging. Remember that all batteries need replacing eventually, but ensure you get yours to the finish line without swelling by taking great care of your battery as the manufacturer intended.
 

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Should I Be Concerned About a Swelling Lithium Battery?
According to Dell, a computer company well-versed in lithium-ion polymer batteries, a swollen battery may impact the performance of your device but doesn’t pose a safety issue. Pay attention for signs of a swollen battery, such as a gap between components, an uneven surface of your battery-powered device, or cracks. Unplug the device, power it down, and replace the swollen battery as soon as it’s detected.

If left unchecked, the University of Illinois says a swollen lithium battery can continue to generate more gas and create heat, eventually rupturing the battery. In severe cases, with the heightened temperature, flammable electrolyte, plus oxygen, a fire could occur.

LOL

I'm not going to roll the dice, the battery is in the fire pit in the back yard, if anyone wants it. uniden, you want to send me another one? the "new" sds100 battery is fully charged and sitting in the garage, i'll give it till the end of the year to see if that one starts swelling, this is getting old quick. I have Li-Ion batteries all over the house in misc devices, and only the uniden batteries have started swelling when not in use.
 

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I hear ya!!! I also use LiIon batts in other stuff... I have (18650's and 21700's) and have not seen any issues with them... Plus devices that have the
LiIon's batterys built in... No issues with them either...

I have the original battery (2019) with my SDS100 and the external charger with an extra battery also bought in 2019...
I havn't had any issues with them... Makes me wonder if Uniden switched supplier's or something...
 

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If i were to stop using my sds100 for a few weeks i would definitely take the battery out in the event it does start to swell, that way you hopefully won't damage the radio. If i had more batteries i'd charge them to 1/3, 2/3, and full and let them sit for a month and see what happens. this radio was purchased in late 2021 i think, i'd have to look up my registration or grab the box from the closet. i've had so many i can't keep track now.
 

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Well, This thread has caught my attention. I WAS considering a SDS100 for listening to Phase 2 simulcast comms. But being a former firefighter. I am acutely aware of thermal runaways in EVs and devises. And in my first responder humble opinion. Thermal run a ways are exceptionally difficult fires to extinguish. I want mobile portability. But not at that perceived risk. I am now considering the SDS200 base unit instead. Just my two cents ....
 
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