Air Force: Budget Cuts Could Affect Flight Hours, Training, Air Shows

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The Obama Big Lie (also known as Sequestration) is being used to inconvenience as many people as possible so the corruptocrats in both parties can score lots of political points.

There are no budget cuts. Sequestration involves a reduction of less than 10% in the rate of increase in federal spending. It is not costing DoD or anyone else any money they already had. It is being used as an excuse to get low-information voters worked up.

(If you are on extended unemployment benefits or any other federally subsidized state program, Sequestration is an excuse to take money from YOUR pocket.)
 

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There are no budget cuts. Sequestration involves a reduction of less than 10% in the rate of increase in federal spending. It is not costing DoD or anyone else any money they already had. It is being used as an excuse to get low-information voters worked up.

For the DoD this is indeed a serious issue. Not insurmountable, not “will cause the DoD to fall”, but an issue that will resound for a while and will have impacts at various levels for years to come. No, it is not the “meat clever” some talking heads would have you believe, but it is important.

While what you say might be true under some circumstances, remember the DoD has been working under continuing resolutions for the last 3+ years. This is a complicated matter that means, among many other things, that each year the “budget” (or lack there of) that has been released for expenditure has come later and later, producing an “inch worm” affect. Last year, for example, many line items in the budget did not get funded until March, half way through the FY. And often they were already funded at lower levels than originally planned. I did not say lower levels, less funding, I said lower than originally planned levels.

What this means is that for the last several years portions of the DoD have been working at reduced funding levels for the early part of each FY, then getting funding and trying to “catch up” during the later part of the FY, after the budget cap is raised. In many instances this has resulted in programmatic slips, and program slips always cost more money, resulting in higher projected cost and planned budgets for “next year”.

You say that “it is not costing the DoD or anyone else any money that they already had”, that may be true to some extent, but because of the continuing resolutions and the budget uncertainty for the early part of the year the money they “already had” has been impacted. I can say, with 100% certainty, that at the working level budgets are impacted and reduced. Less funding power (as opposed to raw dollars) is available for spares, maintenance, and labor. Why that is, how the math all works, I can’t tell you, I have no idea.

What will be impacted by the sequester, as far as DoD spending, is largely discretionary spending. This is, among other things, purchasing (appropriations) and facilities money. So military personnel will be paid at last years levels +, the basics of maintenance will be paid at last years levels +, but purchasing (including spares purchasing) and facilities maintenance will be reduced by about 8% across DoD. Not the “increase” will be reduced by 8%, but rather the planned spending, projected spending based on projected costs in support of operations, will be reduced by about 8%. This means 8% less funding available for purchasing and facilities than was planned. In many cases, because of past spending and existing investment, the “purchasing” part of this will take the smaller hit, and the facilities will take the larger.

Since this thread is concerning aircraft and demonstration units I will use aircraft examples, but it can be expanded to any field of endeavor. The facilities issue is the one that impacts readiness the most. So the budget to maintain an aircraft (except for spare parts) is secure, the budget for the military personnel to maintain the aircraft is secure (but not the budget for civilian personnel, contractor or government), however the budget to maintain the airfield is not secure. Units will end up, locally, diverting funding (mostly from maintenance funding) for “mission critical” and “safety of flight” purposes to cover the facilities and to keep key civilian personnel on the job (once lost some skill sets are very slow to be regained).

The fact of the matter is that if things continue as currently planned many people within DoD (and other government agencies, just using DoD as an example here) will face furloughs. These furloughs will impact readiness. Individual units will be required to “do more with less”, specifically less funding than planned. Maintenance funding will be indirectly impacted, but impacted all the same. Appropriations and procurement actions already in place and well mature will face unexpected, and unpredictable, cost increases unless someone decides to terminate them and live with the loss of investment to date. If furloughs do not happen, and the planned reductions stay in place, then maintenance funding will be even further affected.

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bobf9f5 the Obana clan should be an example if he wants to see his hawaii friends,send a C5 or charter a air bus 780 pick up the people and fly them to Cuba or P.R. . or come here to a warm state to save money get the people who go on ssa with injures saying that they cant work being injured.the rate has increased from 42% to 54% of the working force,,agree with b7spectra note
 

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Well there Might Not be any Air Shows which is a big Ugg.. but there is something else that if it comes in your Area that is Just as Amazing Too see Have a Look at these Youtube Video's. The Second Video give it a Few seconds to see some Greatness Unfold this is Truly a Great Piece of Machinery..:) Ra



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In my opinion, air shows not only are entertainment for the public, they are a recruting tool. Such as the U.S. Army going to berets for all the troops, open houses on military bases, the movie " Navy Seals" and others....are recruiting tools. Install pride, curiosity, a sense of adventure, and other psychological factors.

The US Navy, as mentioned, will loose a recruting tool. For how long?

The armed forces of the United Stated always will look for new blood. People looking for the career they want in the military must be marketable, especially if it is a particular military speciality they want. Recruiters need to treat each and every candiate like gold, before the recruit takes themselves to another recruiter......or another branch. ESPECIALLY if the other branch has better promotions ( Air Force , Navy ).

U.S Military candiates have alot to offer,especially the smart ones ( Asvab score ). The US Military could do
Better in recruitment, by not b.s ing the potential recruit, by promising a beret, easy life, a easy life, and high speed equipment.

The US Military is about discipline, hardship, making sacrifices in personal and family life, putting your life on the line and in harms way.....sometimes for other countrys, and making the best with little resources. A
Bravo Sierra recruitment ploy seems irresponsible and cheap to me.

Air Shows are entertaining and patriotic. But they have an underlying cause and purpose. Ask most anyone
Whom has worn the uniform, defended a position, carried a weapon.

Public. Please send your financial contribution to the US Navy for an air show. The US Government has ran
Out of money, and they need yours.


FF-Medic !!!
 

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Folks,

The budget cuts have two main components and while discussing what impact those budget cuts will have on the proper subjects of military monitoring and military operations of interest is just fine. The second component is the political component, which involves how it came about, who are the players, how it may be solved; none of those topics are acceptable for this topic (or in fact anywhere in the normal forums).

As it appears this topic is drifting in that direction, consider this a warning that it will not be tolerated. If you want to discuss politics, take it to the Tavern. If you want to discuss how the cuts may impact the Thunderbirds or AF training or operations, fine, indeed if you want to include the Navy or Marines go ahead; however if I see any more comments that are political or deal with how civilian components are wasting money, I will just issue an infraction, delete the post, and not look back. No exceptions, so be warned.

For example, of the last two posts (prior to this one) the one from ff-medic was fine up to the last paragraph. The one from bobf9f5 is completely unacceptable.
 

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WASHINGTON—The Air Force Thunderbirds, the "loud and proud" precision flying team of F-16 fighter jets, have cancelled plans to appear in Chicago's Air & Water Show in August because of ongoing federal budget cuts, military officials said.

"The guidance we have received as a service, as best we can, is that any actions that we take (due to sequestration) should be reversible. If sequestration were to end soon, there is the possibility that the Thunderbirds could return to flight."

No Air Force Thunderbirds for Air & Water Show - chicagotribune.com
 

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New York City's Fleet Week has also been canceled.
 
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That will create a massive ripple among small businesses in NYC.
 

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The situation is sad for sure... I don't think anybody can argue with that.
 

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My Luck!

I finally upgraded my DSLR and picked up a nice new HD video camcorder set up, got a few airshow "newbies" to agree to come with me, and I find out the airshow that I normally attend ( Quonset Air Base, North Kingston R.I.) was cancelled along with scores of others. Too bad! Our family has been attending for over a decade. I hope this is only a temporary issue for this year! This show is the photographic highlight of my year. Second to this is NYC Fleet Week, which has also been cancelled! We also try to take in the Jones Beach Airshow, but that too has been scrubbed!That pretty much wipes out the military activity around here for us. The business impact is going to be terrible!

Manny
 
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Budget cuts are smoke trails now: The Blue Angels are back

"Clipped wings no more, the Blue Angels are soaring again. The blue and gold jets are returning to the sky after being grounded much of last year because of forced spending cuts.

The U.S. Navy Flight Demonstration Squadron kicked off the 2014 air show season with its first show Saturday, March 15, at Naval Air Facility El Centro in California." -- CNN.com

Budget cuts are smoke trails now: The Blue Angels are back -- CNN.com
 

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As per the norm, positive news goes mostly unnoticed....

The F-16 Viper Demo returned this past weekend at the Melbourne Air & Space Show.
F-16 Viper Demo - Melbourne Air & Space Show : Melbourne Air & Space Show
F-16 airshow season kicks off

2015 Schedule (15 shows total)
2015 F-16 Fighting Falcon Demo Team Schedule | AirshowStuff
Mar 21-22 - Melbourne, FL
Apr 11-12 – MCAS Beaufort, SC
May 30-31 – North Kingstown, RI
June 20 - Denton, TX
June 27-28 – Evansville, IN
July 3 - Dubuque, IA
July 4-5 - Eau Claire, WI
July 17-19 – Hillsboro, OR
July 25-26 - Kennewick, WA
Aug 15-16 - Broomfield, CO
Aug 29-30 - Ypsilanti, MI
Sept 5-7 - Toronto, Canada
Sept 17-20 - Reno, NV
Sept 26-27 – Santa Rosa, CA
Oct 24-25 - Santa Teresa, NM
Oct 31-Nov 1 - Stuart, FL

Report any found frequencies specific to the team here:
http://forums.radioreference.com/so...on-forum/310260-shaw-afb-f-16-viper-demo.html
 
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