At least for me, I hope it takes as long as possible. Very little encryption and it always sounds great on my 436.
Alamo Area Regional Radio System (AARRS)
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I've been watching more and more radios show up on the system, and given that they can run both in parallel they can take their time deploying radios on the new infrastructure.
SAWS and CPS have both seem to have switched over, with a majority of CPS comms being encrypted.
There are some SA Fire radios that have started to show up on the system.
I've seen some issued radios for some of the municipalities, airport, SAPD, etc start to show up and affiliate on the system and start using some of the talkgroups.
If I was a guessing man, looking at the affiliations and how some of the users are toggling to channels checking things out (and doing a little testing of their own), it looks like SAPD is going to be all encrypted, with their dispatch channels mapping as following
38273 -> 38423 SAPD North Current -> New Encrypted
38275 -> 38425 SAPD West Current -> New Encrypted
38277 -> 38427 SAPD South Current ->New Encrypted
And so on....
SAWS and CPS have both seem to have switched over, with a majority of CPS comms being encrypted.
There are some SA Fire radios that have started to show up on the system.
I've seen some issued radios for some of the municipalities, airport, SAPD, etc start to show up and affiliate on the system and start using some of the talkgroups.
If I was a guessing man, looking at the affiliations and how some of the users are toggling to channels checking things out (and doing a little testing of their own), it looks like SAPD is going to be all encrypted, with their dispatch channels mapping as following
38273 -> 38423 SAPD North Current -> New Encrypted
38275 -> 38425 SAPD West Current -> New Encrypted
38277 -> 38427 SAPD South Current ->New Encrypted
And so on....
my god
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I can confirm that all SAPD and BCSO talkgroups will be encrypted. Several other law enforcement tenant agencies are also embracing this encryption mindset. Interoperability and fire service talkgroups will remain in the clear. "Real-world, operational interoperability" will forever be changed and not for the better!
Was there ever such a thing as interoperability with San Antonio? They are the black sheep of the area and have NEVER wanted to play nice with any outside agencies. Even the Bexar Co admins have issues
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True, but what little there was is now in jeopardy. Bexar County has been far more interoperable. At least they were when Adelman was in charge of the communications center. Others are trying to pick up the torch, but it seems like an uphill battle because of a lot of general doubt within the broader community. This new radio system is going to be a mess. Bexar County's decision to stay with the City and be a partner in the new system is the worst decision they have ever made.
I believe that. Adelman was good. The Bexar co admin now believes in IO very much and he want to do all he can to make it better. But of course SA is "locking" it down. But he is restricted by SA on what he can and can't do. The new system is almost 3 years behind. I'm sure for the most part with all the features the system will be an extreme cluster F*** of course if your inside it all I'm sure you're aware of the mess with the moto XT series radio with COSA
This is standard P25 patch handing on the 436 for Harris P25 systems. The first tg listed in the talkgroup the unit is transmitting on, the second tg listed is the patch ID.
38628 is a San Antonio Fire Department Access channel - each SAFD district has their own dispatcher access channel, however they patch them together to allow a dispatcher to work multiple districts based on manning levels and the time of day.
38628 is a San Antonio Fire Department Access channel - each SAFD district has their own dispatcher access channel, however they patch them together to allow a dispatcher to work multiple districts based on manning levels and the time of day.
A whole heck of a lot of radios got passed out today right around lunch time. A flurry of hundreds of affiliations on primarily county talkgroups.
There might be a major rollout happening this week starting now.
There's also a ton of SAPD, SAFD, and other traffic on the system now. Most of it is coming from the EDACS side, but there are more and more native radios showing up on the new simulcast layers. Especially Central.
There might be a major rollout happening this week starting now.
There's also a ton of SAPD, SAFD, and other traffic on the system now. Most of it is coming from the EDACS side, but there are more and more native radios showing up on the new simulcast layers. Especially Central.
In the clear?
In the last week every time my Unication locked on central it was busy with traffic on all the patrol cannels in the clear, I never noticed SO W but I did hear traffic on SO E
The only encrypted traffic I've seen is on the task force surveillance channels and CPS Electric.
But, I fully expect that they probably already have preprogrammed zones/talkgroups for encrypted law enforcement that they'll just switch to when the transition is complete to the P25 system (encryption between EDACS and P25 isn't comparable at all, so everyone will have to be switched over to the new layers before they can enable it).
Hopefully law enforcement leadership will recognize the importance to the community of leaving the general routine dispatch in the clear, like many other agencies have either done, or moved back to (like Houston etc)
But, I fully expect that they probably already have preprogrammed zones/talkgroups for encrypted law enforcement that they'll just switch to when the transition is complete to the P25 system (encryption between EDACS and P25 isn't comparable at all, so everyone will have to be switched over to the new layers before they can enable it).
Hopefully law enforcement leadership will recognize the importance to the community of leaving the general routine dispatch in the clear, like many other agencies have either done, or moved back to (like Houston etc)
Agreed. Odessa is silent but very active LEOs. I had deputies and troopers running lights and sirens last week around our shop running down all the side streets and alleys looking for someone or something but zero scanner activity. It is unnerving when there may be a dangerous suspect coming your way that you just don’t know about but could if it weren’t for E
Lot's of traffic on the NE Simulcast site today(I haven't monitored it in a while) all in the clear. SAFD, SO J SVC, a couple of SAPD patrol talk groups, Airport PD. So far only encryption is on any talk group with 41xxx. Assuming they are doing a slow rollout still and the LE full encryption is still coming.
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Just a friendly reminder that on September 19th,2022, SAPD will be fully transitioning to the new P25 Radio System and the old software will no longer work. If you have not done so already, please contact the individuals below to ensure you upgrade your radio software or make arrangements to purchase a new one.
The following email was sent to your news desks on February 23, 2022:
The San Antonio Police Department (SAPD) will be encrypting all radio transmissions when they migrate onto the new P25 Phase II Alamo Area Regional Radio System (AARRS). SAPD tentatively begins migrating users onto the new radio system June 9, 2022. Once migration is complete and the current EDACS system is powered off, the radios media currently use to monitor SAPD transmissions will no longer work.
There are two possible options, you may be able to purchase a software upgrade for your radio or you may need to purchase a new portable radio if your current model is not compatible with the new software.
You are strongly encouraged to contact Anna Solis with Dailey Wells Communications to schedule an appointment to have your radio/s evaluated. Ms. Xxxxx can be reached by email xxxx@dwcomm.com or 210-xxx-xxxx.
You may also contact Andy Jaffee, City of San Antonio Radio Services Manager if you have any questions regarding this matter. Mr. Jaffee can be reached by email xxxx.xxxxxx@sanantonio.gov or 210-xxx-xxx. Thank you
The following email was sent to your news desks on February 23, 2022:
The San Antonio Police Department (SAPD) will be encrypting all radio transmissions when they migrate onto the new P25 Phase II Alamo Area Regional Radio System (AARRS). SAPD tentatively begins migrating users onto the new radio system June 9, 2022. Once migration is complete and the current EDACS system is powered off, the radios media currently use to monitor SAPD transmissions will no longer work.
There are two possible options, you may be able to purchase a software upgrade for your radio or you may need to purchase a new portable radio if your current model is not compatible with the new software.
You are strongly encouraged to contact Anna Solis with Dailey Wells Communications to schedule an appointment to have your radio/s evaluated. Ms. Xxxxx can be reached by email xxxx@dwcomm.com or 210-xxx-xxxx.
You may also contact Andy Jaffee, City of San Antonio Radio Services Manager if you have any questions regarding this matter. Mr. Jaffee can be reached by email xxxx.xxxxxx@sanantonio.gov or 210-xxx-xxx. Thank you
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Wonder what the rest of the PD load out is going to be? Access to Airport PD, BCSO(which I think they do have access to now) and surrounding agencies? I remember so many instances where Castle Hills or another agency was chasing someone and Eagle had to relay info to the other agency ground units thru Castle Hills dispatch on an SAPD open channel about movements. Still surprising in 2022 they couldn't just "switch to Castle Hills dispatch." I have a feeling encryption is not going to make things easier interoperability wise. Time will tell.
Note that this morning on the AARRS P25 system, all SAPD Dispatch talkgroups are now encrypted, however their patched counterparts to the legacy EDACS system are still in the clear.
Additionally, there are tons of new radios showing up on the P25 system this morning, so they must be passing out new radios to SAPD this morning for the new days shift.
Looks like being able to monitor SAPD dispatch is officially going to be over soon.
Additionally, there are tons of new radios showing up on the P25 system this morning, so they must be passing out new radios to SAPD this morning for the new days shift.
Looks like being able to monitor SAPD dispatch is officially going to be over soon.
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Wonder how long they are going to keep the EDACS system on? I never saw a cutoff date in any e-mails or memos. I assume they sent word a long time ago to all the agencies that are using the system like universities, school districts, and other cities when the system will be shut off. Most of the "renting" agencies seem to have switched to the Xl-200p portables.
I've heard a number of instances this week of SAPD encrypted transmissions on the P25 side not get decrypted properly on the EDACS system side. It's happening on the Patrol channels occasionally and I just heard an E-tone go out where all that was received on the EDACS system was the goooblyblodoly instead of the dispatch.
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