Alleghany County Virginia p25 phase 2

motorcoachdoug

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Nope even using a Harris Radio you will NOT be able to listen to Encrypted Transmissions unless you are an authorized user and the admin give you the keys. Also you would need a KVL3000 plus cables and a working knowledge on how to use the KVL for programming keys to begin with plus with the KVL you can use it on mother moto or harris and the correct cables as well. The whole setup is not cheap
 

Ghstwolf62

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They are using AES 256. Having the talk groups in a commercial radio is the same as having them in a scanner. You will NOT pick up any encrypted traffic at all. Period. Nothing.

It can't be decrypted, basically at all. I heard someone say a few years ago with a CRAY computer and some time it could be but its still not in real time or close to it. There will be no fix to this for quite some time if ever. Maybe someday but not any time soon and by the time it might be I can guarantee you they'll have something more sophisticated out to deal with it. Heck I've heard there are more robust encryption algorithms already either out there or in development.

Having the system in a commercial radio will help with simulcast reception IF you are having issues but it will not get you encrypted comms. I don't think you really understand how it all works. There isn't some crack on the net to get you able to listen to them. It just doesn't work like that. As others have said no one is going to give them out or help you get on the system in any way. Give up the idea. Its not going to happen. They don't care about you not being able to listen. As a matter of fact that is why they went encrypted. They don't want you to be able to listen to them. So why in the devil would they give out a way for you to do it when that's why its encrypted in the first place.

We are just SOL on the subject. Does it suck? Yes it does. Is there a thing we can do about it........no. My daughter texted me a couple of days ago asking me what in the h*ll was going on down here because about 6 sheriff units and VSP units came flying down here into our complex so fast it scared her. One unit bottomed out and went airborne a bit because he was going so fast.

I had no idea they were even there much less what they were doing. That is the way they want it.

I know some on the dept. My daughters know quite a few and are even friends with some and went to school with a few of them. They couldn't get it, I couldn't get it and I can guarantee you that you're not going to get it.

This isn't the guy who ran the radio systems out here for years this is Harris Corp who is doing the system in Alleghany and Rockbridge. Do you really think a multi-billion dollar world wide company with contracts all over the place including the Federal Gov and military not to mention cities, counties and states even some countries is going to risk it all to let Joe Blow in Virginia have the Encryption key to a system because he doesn't like not hearing what's going on anymore? Seriously? Even Wes wouldn't do that when he ran things and this isn't Wes by a long shot. These are the big boys.

I've spoken to you in the past and I can say you have no idea how to program a radio, any kind of raido. Which means you have no business fooling around with a commercial radio much less trying to put a radio system you are not authorized to be on into such a radio. You also have no legitimate use for one for anything much less that. You are only going to get yourself into trouble if you pursue this. You really need to know what you're doing and you don't.

I have more knowledge than you but even for me there are some things I won't attempt because I'm not confident in my abilities to not screw something up like NAS. I do use commercial radios but for HAM radio sometimes but only that so far. Since my scanners work for me for the most part I don't need to put these systems into one of my radios. There is no point.

You're not going to get anything on a commercial radio that you are not getting on your scanner right now. Nothing. So stick with the scanner.
 

bocook222

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They are using AES 256. Having the talk groups in a commercial radio is the same as having them in a scanner. You will NOT pick up any encrypted traffic at all. Period. Nothing.

It can't be decrypted, basically at all. I heard someone say a few years ago with a CRAY computer and some time it could be but its still not in real time or close to it. There will be no fix to this for quite some time if ever. Maybe someday but not any time soon and by the time it might be I can guarantee you they'll have something more sophisticated out to deal with it. Heck I've heard there are more robust encryption algorithms already either out there or in development.

Having the system in a commercial radio will help with simulcast reception IF you are having issues but it will not get you encrypted comms. I don't think you really understand how it all works. There isn't some crack on the net to get you able to listen to them. It just doesn't work like that. As others have said no one is going to give them out or help you get on the system in any way. Give up the idea. Its not going to happen. They don't care about you not being able to listen. As a matter of fact that is why they went encrypted. They don't want you to be able to listen to them. So why in the devil would they give out a way for you to do it when that's why its encrypted in the first place.

We are just SOL on the subject. Does it suck? Yes it does. Is there a thing we can do about it........no. My daughter texted me a couple of days ago asking me what in the h*ll was going on down here because about 6 sheriff units and VSP units came flying down here into our complex so fast it scared her. One unit bottomed out and went airborne a bit because he was going so fast.

I had no idea they were even there much less what they were doing. That is the way they want it.

I know some on the dept. My daughters know quite a few and are even friends with some and went to school with a few of them. They couldn't get it, I couldn't get it and I can guarantee you that you're not going to get it.

This isn't the guy who ran the radio systems out here for years this is Harris Corp who is doing the system in Alleghany and Rockbridge. Do you really think a multi-billion dollar world wide company with contracts all over the place including the Federal Gov and military not to mention cities, counties and states even some countries is going to risk it all to let Joe Blow in Virginia have the Encryption key to a system because he doesn't like not hearing what's going on anymore? Seriously? Even Wes wouldn't do that when he ran things and this isn't Wes by a long shot. These are the big boys.

I've spoken to you in the past and I can say you have no idea how to program a radio, any kind of raido. Which means you have no business fooling around with a commercial radio much less trying to put a radio system you are not authorized to be on into such a radio. You also have no legitimate use for one for anything much less that. You are only going to get yourself into trouble if you pursue this. You really need to know what you're doing and you don't.

I have more knowledge than you but even for me there are some things I won't attempt because I'm not confident in my abilities to not screw something up like NAS. I do use commercial radios but for HAM radio sometimes but only that so far. Since my scanners work for me for the most part I don't need to put these systems into one of my radios. There is no point.

You're not going to get anything on a commercial radio that you are not getting on your scanner right now. Nothing. So stick with the scanner.
Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I should be happy with being able to listen to VSP and fire and rescue. At least that will keep me out of trouble. Google the Roanoke phantom 1993.
 

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Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I should be happy with being able to listen to VSP and fire and rescue. At least that will keep me out of trouble. Google the Roanoke phantom 1993.
What a great thing to advertise. I guess you are longing for more federal supervision?
 

Ghstwolf62

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Thanks for taking the time to explain this. I should be happy with being able to listen to VSP and fire and rescue. At least that will keep me out of trouble. Google the Roanoke phantom 1993.
I'm not even sure what to say to this. I mean under what definition of intelligence do you think its a good idea to tell a forum full of law enforcement officers, communication specialists and others that you want to fu*k with a radio system and spent over 10 years in jail for doing it before.

I mean seriously.

In addition, Bocook used obscene language, harassed a female air traffic controller, made threats to shoot down aircraft, and transmitted recorded music, weather reports, and warnings about his own activities.

I just don't know what to say to this. I really hope you don't do anything. Being angry at encryption isn't a reason to put people's lives, including PS officers, in danger. That is one reason they use it btw.
 

bocook222

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I'm not even sure what to say to this. I mean under what definition of intelligence do you think its a good idea to tell a forum full of law enforcement officers, communication specialists and others that you want to fu*k with a radio system and spent over 10 years in jail for doing it before.

I mean seriously.

In addition, Bocook used obscene language, harassed a female air traffic controller, made threats to shoot down aircraft, and transmitted recorded music, weather reports, and warnings about his own activities.

I just don't know what to say to this. I really hope you don't do anything. Being angry at encryption isn't a reason to put people's lives, including PS officers, in danger. That is one reason they use it btw.
I never had any illegal intentions. I just want to be able to listen not do anything to interfere with public safety radio. I learned my lesson when it comes to interference with radio transmissions that could harm others. I have no intention to break the law.
 
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