American Electric Power (AEP) P25 WACN 92715

mtindor

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Perhaps one set of IDs belong to BeON users? I recall seeing something in the announcement of this system that BeON (the Harris cellular patch capability) was to be included.

Yeah, BeON is in use. But I'm not confident that it's the reason for the RID issues on CC vs VC. If monitoring the CC, the BeON users I think usually show as External Sources whilst regular P25 subscriber radios show as the 98xxxxx IDs. I'm not certain of that though.

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Good luck on that. This is a sparsely populated area to begin with. I haven't seen many RR members around here. You might have to make a road trip.

Texas is a long way from Ohio. And a half dozen guys (4 doing one or more road trips) already figured out all of Ohio. I'm not suggesting that you step up. I'm just asking somebody in these areas to step up. Sparsely populated or not (southern Ohio is rural as hell), I know there are people with DSDPlus or at least capabilities of detecting P25 and getting site details with a scanner throughout the AEP service area. After all, the database is full of EDACS site information (a lot of it wrong) for the AEP systems all over. Somebody supposedly monitored those sites to get the details.

The goal here is to get people active and to actually use proper tools to get all avaialble information, and thus not only get new sites discovered and added as soon as possible, but have them correct in the DB the first time around rather than having the system turn into what the old EDACS mashup was.

Unfortunately, except for spamming the forum of every state AEP touches (and then hoping somebody in that state reads the thread), there really is no way to "rally" anyone to start checking. One just has to hope that people read this thread.

To add insult to injury, this thread is has American Electric Power in the subject, and I'm sure a lot of people are in Kentucky Power, Appalachian Power, Indiana-Michigan Power, Public Service Company of OK, and SWEPCO territories and don't think twice when they see a thread with the subject of "American Electric Power" -- not realizing they are part of the AEP service territory.

I'm outside of the AEP service area. The only two sites I can receive all the time are Oklaunion, TX and Comanche, OK.
They are still EDACS as of right now.

In Ohio when they turned up a P25 site they had both the P25 and EDACS for that site running for quite a period of time. So, just confirming EDACS is online doesn't necessarily mean that P25 isn't online. It probably isn't on the sites your listening to, but for the rest of the readers out there they shouldn't assume that live EDACS means no P25. They absolutely can and often do have both running simultaneously at the same site, or at least did up here in Ohio. (and radio techs seem to call that "hybrid mode")

Often during band openings I can recive 700/800/900 MHz control channels out to 200 miles or more. Last time that happened was was a couple weeks ago. AEP was still all EDACS then. If they started converting to P25 in TX maybe the started in far south TX first. It's very rare for me to be able to pick up anything in the AEP south TX service area.

Rgr that. I just want to keep readers of this thread (if there are any lol) abreast of what they should be looking out for. And Rgr on tropo. Most of the WVSIRN and First Energy sites (P25 systems in WV) were discovered by people in Ohio during tropo. Gotta love it!

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Went up to Bolt Mountain, WV at the Wyoming/Raleigh County line and was able to obtain data from 7 AEP P25 control channels. I'll be posting the results soon.

Once you submit/post the data, I'll grab the submission and update the DB this evening once some visiting family goes home. Looking forward to seeing what you captured.

Thanks!

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So it turns out that all of the sites I found are in Ohio with all but 2 listed in the DB currently. There must have been some tropo enhancement which made things even more favorable from a nice, prominent mountaintop site.

The unlisted sites are as follows:

First site:

System ID:
92715.1F6
Site: 92715.1F6-51.51
NAC: 033
Active CC: 854.0625
Alt CC: 855.4125
Alt CC: 860.3875


Second site:

System ID: 92715.1F6
Site: 92715.1F6-78.78
NAC: 04E
Active CC: 858.4125
Alt CC: 854.3375
Alt CC: 855.3375
 

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Site 92715.1F6-51.51
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-55.55 - 857.3125
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-60.60 - 858.2875
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-62.62 - 855.8625
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-71.71 - 855.1125
Neighbor: 92715.1F7-1.1 - 855.1625

Site 92715.1F6-78.78
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-54.54 - 857.2875
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-68.68 - 856.3625
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-70.70 - 855.7625
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-71.71 - 855.1125
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-81.81 - 856.3375
Neighbor: 92715.1F6-82.82 - 857.8625
Neighbor: 92715.1F7-1.1 - 855.1625
 

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So it turns out that all of the sites I found are in Ohio with all but 2 listed in the DB currently. There must have been some tropo enhancement which made things even more favorable from a nice, prominent mountaintop site.

The unlisted sites are as follows:

First site:

System ID:
92715.1F6
Site: 92715.1F6-51.51
NAC: 033
Active CC: 854.0625
Alt CC: 855.4125
Alt CC: 860.3875


Second site:

System ID:
92715.1F6
Site: 92715.1F6-78.78
NAC: 04E
Active CC: 858.4125
Alt CC: 854.3375
Alt CC: 855.3375

With the neighbor lists you published lower in the thread, this makes the following confirmed by personal monitoring:

1F6-51.51 Crown City / Scottown OH (Lawrence)
1F6-78.78 Middleport OH (Meigs)

And one confirmed (but not confirmed online) basesd upon 1F6-62.62 being a neighbor of 1F6-51.51

1F6-62.62 South Point OH (Lawrence)

Nice job. Thanks again!

Mike
 

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Received a signal from the Bluffton, IN site today. Here is the information I have so far
Call sign WQHT567
System Id-001F5h-943
Site-043
WACN-92715h
NAC-2Bh
Frequencies
855.8375
856.6375
858.8125
860.4125
860.8375
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I ran analyze on neighboring sites and they all appear to be inactive. I will check and update as my work schedule allows.
 

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Received a signal from the Bluffton, IN site today. Here is the information I have so far
Call sign WQHT567
System Id-001F5h-943
Site-043
WACN-92715h
NAC-2Bh
Frequencies
855.8375
856.6375
858.8125
860.4125
860.8375
Heard talk group 223
I ran analyze on neighboring sites and they all appear to be inactive. I will check and update as my work schedule allows.

Which freq is the actual control channel ?

Mike
 

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Received a signal from the Bluffton, IN site today. Here is the information I have so far
Call sign WQHT567
System Id-001F5h-943
Site-043
WACN-92715h
NAC-2Bh
Frequencies
855.8375
856.6375
858.8125
860.4125
860.8375
Heard talk group 223
I ran analyze on neighboring sites and they all appear to be inactive. I will check and update as my work schedule allows.

I will get this entered into the database later on today. If you can provide which frequency is the current CC, that'd be great.

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AEP Bluffton, Indiana control channel
856.6375

Thanks @mjdewey . Great work. It is listed in the DB now. If you look at the DB you will notice that the CC is the only frequency listed, and that is because we only list primary CCs, Alt CCs and other freqs proven to be active on a given site -- we don't just plug in all frequencies from the FCC license because more often than not they are not all in use.

You should keep an eye out for any additional sites around that site.

If there is anyone around Bluffton with DSDPlus or Pro96Com who can monitor 1F5-43.43 Bluffton and snatch Alt CCs and Peers (+ peer freqs), please do do. And if you are in Indiana-Michigan within the footprint of Indiana-Michigan Power, please take a look at the map and consider searching out 854-862 Mhz for any new P25 control channels with a WACN of 92715 and a SysID of 1F5.

Mike
 

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Sites in Ohio that we are highly confident are online but have not been confirmed by personal monitoring:

1F6-48.48 Bentonville OH (Adams) - last known CC: 857.1625
1F6-52.52 Otway OH (Scioto)
- last known CC: 854.7875
1F6-60.60 Oak Hill OH (Jackson)
- last known CCs: 858.2875, 855.2625
1F6-61.61 Peebles OH (Adams)
- last known CC: 854.4875
1F6-62.62 South Point OH (Lawrence)
- last known CC: 855.8625
1F6-67.67 West Portsmouth OH (Scioto)
- last known CC: 854.9375

Sites needing Alt CCs and Peers/Neighbors:

1F5-43.43 Bluffton IN (Adams) - last known CC: 856.6375

Check the Google Map for locations / licenses / frequencies / surrounding sites
 

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This morning I was receiving site 61 on 855.8625 with full signal from the I-74 at I-75 area of Cincinnati. Not sure if we were getting a band opening from Adams County or what but it has now gone away.

Of note, this frequency is on the application for the Erlanger, KY site of the Duke Energy P25 system and that's why I was scanning it. I was a little surprised when I started hearing a full signal P25 control channel on it today.
 
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