American Electric Power (AEP) P25 WACN 92715

[mtindor]

Mike, do you suspect there might be any sites in the Darke county area? I might head over to a sandwich shoppe in Greenville today, where the sandwiches are made right. 🤣

No sir. Everything is on the Google Map. If it isn't on the Google Map, it's not an FCC-licensed AEP location and thus I suspect zero AEP activity in that location. All of Ohio has been pretty much determined at this time. Darke Co and a lot of places in Western Ohio are served by other electric utilities like Dayton Power & Light, Duke Energy, etc.

Basically, I don't suspect there is anything else to find in Ohio (except that there are a few sites remaining to come online between Columbus and the Eastern border of Ohio as well as maybe one or two in Southern Ohio.

And in Indiana, the only remaining sites I suspect would come online at some point are:

New Carlisle
Mishawaka
Elkhart
Avilla

Mike

 

[Remington12G]

I don't see any confirmed or active sites on P25 in Kentucky. Ill work on fixing that!

 

[mtindor]

I don't see any confirmed or active sites on P25 in Kentucky. Ill work on fixing that!

sounds good. Check the Google map that I’ve linked to many previous posts in this thread. It is a useful tool to see where the AEP sites are in your area

mike

 

[mtindor]

You can find callsigns, assigned freqs, etc for all sites on the Google MapExisting Sites needing confirmation / more information:

1F5-41.41       # Decatur IN (Adams) - need peer/neighbor list

1F6-48.48       # Bentonville OH (Adams) - last CC: 857.1625 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F6-52.52       # Otway OH (Scioto) - last CC: 854.7875 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F6-60.60       # Oak HIll OH (Jackson) - last CC: 855.2625 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F6-61.61       # Peebles OH (Adams) - in the DB - needs list of all CCs as well as peer/neighbor list
1F6-62.62       # South Point OH (Lawrence) - last CC:  855.8625 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F6-67.67       # West Portsmouth OH (Scioto) - last CC: 854.9375 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information

1F7-3.3         # Leon WV (Mason) - last CC: 855.1375 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information

1F8-87.87       # somewhere in STX (Corpus Christi area?) - CC: 855.3375 with 855.6375,856.7875,857.7875,858.7875 alternates

1F9-7.7         # Tulsa or Grove OK - last CC: 856.9125 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F9-20.20       # Calvin OK (Hughes) - last CC: 855.1125 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F9-26.26       # Seminole OK (Seminole) - last CC: 854.7125 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F9-28.28       # McAlester OK (Pittsburg) - last CC: 857.8375 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F9-29.29       # Rush Springs or Sayre OK - last CC: 854.7625 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information
1F9-49.49       # Stigler OK (Haskell) - last CC: 854.4625 - needs confirmed with full site / peer information

You can find callsigns, assigned freqs, etc for most sites on the Google Map -- I'm still working on adding all of the call/freq information for all of the Texas stuff and perhaps a few other areas.

 

[west-pac]

Indiana 1F5 info. I talked to a former AEP employee who said AEP has a dispatch in Marion, IN (Grant county), and Muncie, IN (Delaware county). I found this map on the AEP website. I wonder if these towns indicated on the map are the AEP dispatch centers.

 

[mtindor]

Indiana 1F5 info. I talked to a former AEP employee who said AEP has a dispatch in Marion, IN (Grant county), and Muncie, IN (Delaware county). I found this map on the AEP website. I wonder if these towns indicated on the map are the AEP dispatch centers. View attachment 90396

All I can tell you is that when the local AEP offices aren't manned and there are outages, the local guys here in Ohio are always being dispatched by Fort Wayne. If an outage of any size occurs, somebody eventually makes it into one of the local office and dispatches out. But when they aren't there Fort Wayne is doing it all. So perhaps it's the main dispatch center for AEP (at least up north).

m

 

[gtaman]

All I can tell you is that when the local AEP offices aren't manned and there are outages, the local guys here in Ohio are always being dispatched by Fort Wayne. If an outage of any size occurs, somebody eventually makes it into one of the local office and dispatches out. But when they aren't there Fort Wayne is doing it all. So perhaps it's the main dispatch center for AEP (at least up north).

m

Someone needs to tell them to back away from the mic. My ears hurt...

 

[firemantom26]

I remember when they made the switch dispatch was so loud and eventually they got it corrected

 

[HikerGuy]

Was in southeastern KY this evening, on top of Pine Mountain above Whitesburg to be exact. I searched 800MHz and everything is still good ole EDACS down that way. I wonder if any northern KY sites have been switched over.

 

[Thunderbolt]

A friend of mine was down in Dowagiac, in Cass County, Michigan several days ago. He noticed a few vans parked at the site off Flanders Street, and someone climbing up the tower. Sadly, he didn't have his scanner with him, but when he goes back in a few weeks, he will take a listen to that site, as his brother lives right off Glenwood Road.

73's

Ron

 

[wa8pyr]

All I can tell you is that when the local AEP offices aren't manned and there are outages, the local guys here in Ohio are always being dispatched by Fort Wayne. If an outage of any size occurs, somebody eventually makes it into one of the local office and dispatches out. But when they aren't there Fort Wayne is doing it all. So perhaps it's the main dispatch center for AEP (at least up north).

Primary dispatch for AEP in Ohio is in Groveport (I've been there. . . quite the setup); it covers at least the former Columbus Southern Power territory and I think also the former Ohio Electric territory, but I'll have to dig through my notes to see who covers what. I do know they've shifted dispatching to other centers when needed due to staffing or technical issues; like the railroads (and OSP), dispatch centers can take over for one another in the event of emergency.

Edit: Ohio Power, not Ohio Electric.

 

[west-pac]

A friend of mine was down in Dowagiac, in Cass County, Michigan several days ago. He noticed a few vans parked at the site off Flanders Street, and someone climbing up the tower. Sadly, he didn't have his scanner with him, but when he goes back in a few weeks, he will take a listen to that site, as his brother lives right off Glenwood Road.

73's

Ron

I went thru Cass county Michigan over the weekend and couldn't find any AEP P25 control channels. Just FYI.

 

[west-pac]

I noticed the other AEP radio systems start with site #1, for 1F5 (Indiana & Michigan) the sites in Indiana are 37-48 so far, and the rest of AEP's coverage area in Indiana and Michigan doesn't look large enough to support 36 more tower sites. Any ideas or speculation on why the site numbers are in the 40's?

 

[mtindor]

I noticed the other AEP radio systems start with site #1, for 1F5 (Indiana & Michigan) the sites in Indiana are 37-48 so far, and the rest of AEP's coverage area in Indiana and Michigan doesn't look large enough to support 36 more tower sites. Any ideas or speculation on why the site numbers are in the 40's?

i had thought about that too. Maybe Kentucky Power will use the same zone controller as IN-MI

mike

 

[mtindor]

For the recently added 1F8-87.87 West Corpus Christi TX site, there are two sites in Corpus Christi, both with Corpus Christi addresses but 1F8-87.87 is a good bit West of the City. There may be some other name for it.

It's actually located at 3433 Callicoate Rd , which is called the Lon C Hill Service Center as well as McKenzie Rd Substation. So some Texans (such as @ralexander5 , who reported it online) may feel there is a better name for that site than "West Corpus Christi". This particular site has an old EDACS license but no actually EDACS site is listed in the DB for this location.

NOTE: AEP calls it "Lon Hill" on their microwave license - ULS License - Microwave Industrial/Business Pool License - WNTE603 - American Electric Power Service Corporation - Paths Summary

Mike

 

[west-pac]

I've now heard Muncie Trouble and Fort Wayne Trouble on TG 1222. I also heard Muncie Trouble on TG 1221.

 

[mtindor]

I've now heard Muncie Trouble and Fort Wayne Trouble on TG 1222. I also heard Muncie Trouble on TG 1221.

That is possible, for a number of reasons. Sometimes the employees out in the field might call in to Trouble from the wrong talkgroup. And sometimes "Trouble" will be discussing an issue at the distribution level and be on one talkgroup and then another time may be working a transmission issue on another talkgroup.

It all boils down to paying very close attention to the actual conversations going on regularly on a given talkgroup -- it can sometimes take weeks to figure out what the actual activity is and which office its based out of.

Mike

 

[gtaman]

That is possible, for a number of reasons. Sometimes the employees out in the field might call in to Trouble from the wrong talkgroup. And sometimes "Trouble" will be discussing an issue at the distribution level and be on one talkgroup and then another time may be working a transmission issue on another talkgroup.

It all boils down to paying very close attention to the actual conversations going on regularly on a given talkgroup -- it can sometimes take weeks to figure out what the actual activity is and which office its based out of.

Mike

That’s the case with Columbus. They basically have been choosing a trouble channel for the last few weeks. I hear west side on East and East side stuff on west. Telecom is the only group who has done it right and all they do is radio each other what time they are getting off.

 

[west-pac]

And in Indiana, the only remaining sites I suspect would come online at some point are:

New Carlisle
Mishawaka
Elkhart
Avilla

Mike

Avilla radio coverage seems to be is within range of Rome City (site 37), and the 15-mile radius coverage from Butler (site 39), and Fort Wayne (site 40) seems like they would cover anything that a site in Avilla would cover. Although AEP did leave room for a site #38, and if it followed suite with the way the rest of the sites are laid out in the state, 38 would be Avilla. It just doesn't make sense, because a site there would mostly overlap coverage of 37, 39, and 40. Is there a way to get a statewide or regional coverage map that may show gaps in radio coverage? How is the 15-mile radius per site determined?

 

[mtindor]

Avilla radio coverage seems to be is within range of Rome City (site 37), and the 15-mile radius coverage from Butler (site 39), and Fort Wayne (site 40) seems like they would cover anything that a site in Avilla would cover. Although AEP did leave room for a site #38, and if it followed suite with the way the rest of the sites are laid out in the state, 38 would be Avilla. It just doesn't make sense, because a site there would mostly overlap coverage of 37, 39, and 40. Is there a way to get a statewide or regional coverage map that may show gaps in radio coverage? How is the 15-mile radius per site determined?

The 15 mi radius is just a standard when I add things for statewide / multistate systems. Others do 20. Some do 10. Some completely hodgepodge it. Some sites, when you know they are lower power or specific to a very small region we will lower the radius. But as a general rule, the 15 comes from the fact that's simple a good "default" number..

I'm not privy to any company's real per-site coverage maps, and I suspect the vast majority of admins are not. So, for any system in the DB with multiple sites its really just a discretionary thing.

Mike