American Electric Power (AEP) P25 WACN 92715

[west-pac]

On Indiana TGs 1221, and 1222 I've heard mention of linemen call areas, such as Marion West, Marion Central, Marion East, Muncie West, Muncie Central, and Muncie East. Is it likely that each of these linemen areas have their own Trouble TG during a wide-scale event?

 

[mtindor]

On Indiana TGs 1221, and 1222 I've heard mention of linemen call areas, such as Marion West, Marion Central, Marion East, Muncie West, Muncie Central, and Muncie East. Is it likely that each of these linemen areas have their own Trouble TG during a wide-scale event?

I don't really have anything to base my answer on, but I'd say not as a general rule. With that said, I'm sure larger cities may have additional talkgroups (Columbus OH has E/W talkgroups).

 

[firemantom26]

I am pretty proud of everyone. Ohio AEP has 102 sites confirmed. The other AEP states are just a little far for a road trip for me. LOL

 

[mtindor]

I am pretty proud of everyone. Ohio AEP has 102 sites confirmed. The other AEP states are just a little far for a road trip for me. LOL

Me too. Ohio sleuthers hit it out of the ballpark. @west-pac and the IN folks nailed IN. Except for one or two sites in known to be online in southern WV, I see no signs of life there -- none of the Ohio sites bordering WV locations like Huntington indicate that any of those big WV sites are online yet. No Ohio sites bordering KY suggest any KY stuff online yet. Just a hint out of VA so far. the OK guys are doing good. I have a feeling there is more online in Texas than we know about. Tons and tons of FCC microwave and YJ/YO updates for Texas over the past three months. Not sure anything is happening in MI yet either.

The Ohio buildout was clearly fast and furious. But nobody can take a way from the fact that all of the Ohio sleuthers worked overtime (and put a few thousand miles on vehicles) collecting data for the Ohio portion. I don't think I'm going out on a limb when I say that the Ohio AEP sites were discovered / confirmed in quicker time than any other 100+ sites for any other system in any other state listed on RR ever. And that was done by 7 people or less (at least three of which spent significant travel time tracking them down).

 

[n8yid]

With what Mike just mentioned; about the sleuthers tackling the AEP system....

I just want to take the time to give everyone involved a big "THANKS"..... and , of course, a job well done (so far)...

Again, THANKS gentlemen,

 

[RakkFO]

With what Mike just mentioned; about the sleuthers tackling the AEP system....

I just want to take the time to give everyone involved a big "THANKS"..... and , of course, a job well done (so far)...

Again, THANKS gentlemen,

Not only did I learn A LOT about this system, I learned a lot about P25. I am very happy to give back to the RR community. With out this site and DB the communications monitoring / scanning hobby would look totally different!

 

[west-pac]

With some fog (I presume) and enhancements this morning I was able to watch Channel 12 news from Cincinnati (into Hartford City, IN) this morning, as well as receive site 1F5-37. 1F5-37 is still only showing 39 and 40 as neighbors.

 

[firemantom26]

I love when tropo is going on. Last week here in eastern Ohio it was at it's best. I was able to decode may far away AEP sites

 

[Thunderbolt]

This morning was a total blast with tropo in full swing right now here in Michigan.

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 1F6
System Name : American Electric Power P25
WACN : 92715
Tower Number (Decimal): 1-1
Tower Number (Hex) : T0101
Tower Description : Cecil
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Thu Sep 3 09:52:59 2020

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00000,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
08,851.00000,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0329","a",855.11250,"00-0329",810.11250,0,0
"00-0393","c",855.91250,"00-0393",810.91250,0,0
"00-0473","a",856.91250,"00-0473",811.91250,0,0
"08-0658","v",855.11250/0,"08-0658",810.11250/0,0,8
"08-0946","v",856.91250/0,"08-0946",811.91250/0,1,9
"08-0947","v",856.91250/1,"08-0947",811.91250/1,0,1

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
808,"T0808",1f6,"00-0271",854.38750,"Pleasant Bend"
1111,"T0B0B",1f6,"00-0327",855.08750,"Van Wert"
3939,"T2727",1f5,"00-0445",856.56250,"Unknown (Different System)"
4040,"T2828",1f5,"00-0267",854.33750,"Unknown (Different System)"
4141,"T2929",1f5,"00-0489",857.11250,"Unknown (Different System)"
9494,"T5E5E",1f6,"00-0447",856.58750,"Continental"
_____________________________________________

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 1F6
System Name :
WACN : 92715
Tower Number (Decimal): 4-4
Tower Number (Hex) : T0404
Tower Description :
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Thu Sep 3 09:37:41 2020

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00000,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
08,851.00000,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0263","c",854.28750,"00-0263",809.28750,0,0
"00-0563","a",858.03750,"00-0563",813.03750,0,0
"00-0591","a",858.38750,"00-0591",813.38750,0,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
202,"T0202",1f6,"00-0331",855.13750,""
505,"T0505",1f6,"00-0505",857.31250,""
606,"T0606",1f6,"00-0281",854.51250,""
707,"T0707",1f6,"00-0257",854.21250,""
808,"T0808",1f6,"00-0271",854.38750,""
1111,"T0B0B",1f6,"00-0327",855.08750,""
9494,"T5E5E",1f6,"00-0447",856.58750,""
_____________________________________________

FileVersion:8
-TowerInfo
#This section is here for information only. With the exception
#of the Call Sign(s), This data is not Read back into the program at all.
System ID : 1F6
System Name :
WACN : 92715
Tower Number (Decimal): 94-94
Tower Number (Hex) : T5E5E
Tower Description :
Control Capabilities : Data,Voice,Registration
Flavor : Phase 2
Call Sign(s) :
Timestamp : Thu Sep 3 09:40:22 2020

-Tables
#Format: Table ID,Base Freq,Spacing,Input Offset,Assumed/Confirmed,BandWidth,Slots
00,851.00000,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,1
08,851.00000,0.01250,-45.00000,"Confirmed",0.01250,2

-Frequencies
#Format: Channel,Usage,Frequency(/Slot),Input Channel,Input Frequency(/Slot),Input Explicit(1/0),Hit Count
"00-0343","a",855.28750,"00-0343",810.28750,0,0
"00-0447","c",856.58750,"00-0447",811.58750,0,0
"00-0507","a",857.33750,"00-0507",812.33750,0,0

-Neighbors
#Format: TowerID,TowerIDHex,System ID,Channel,Frequency,Tower Name
101,"T0101",1f6,"00-0393",855.91250,""
404,"T0404",1f6,"00-0263",854.28750,""
606,"T0606",1f6,"00-0281",854.51250,""
707,"T0707",1f6,"00-0257",854.21250,""
808,"T0808",1f6,"00-0271",854.38750,""
1111,"T0B0B",1f6,"00-0327",855.08750,""

73's

Ron

 

[firemantom26]

I know locally AEP has not been using BEON, but it looks like neat app.

BeOn® Mobile Application

Extend your LMR network to smartphones, tablets and PCs. Provide affordable PTT communications far beyond the boundaries of a regional radio system.

www.harris.com

 

[west-pac]

Site 1F7 15, can someone edit the neighbor list to indicate which neighbors are 1F6, and which ones are 1F7?

 

[mtindor]

Site 1F7 15, can someone edit the neighbor list to indicate which neighbors are 1F6, and which ones are 1F7?

Fixed in the DB

NL: 32.32, 1F6-12.12, 1F6-18.18, 1F6-26.26, 1F6-29.29, 1F6-34.34

 

[firemantom26]

Mike, West liberty has added some new neighbors since it was submitted.

 

[mtindor]

Mike, West liberty has added some new neighbors since it was submitted.

Thanks. Fixed again

 

[west-pac]

Mike, West liberty has added some new neighbors since it was submitted.

That doesn't surprise me. Existing sites will get new neighbors as systems continue to grow. I look at the AEP sites around me almost daily to see if new sites have been added.

Mike, currently hearing traffic on 1F5 45, I heard a guy tell another guy "Marion traffic is to go thru the Muncie channel." They were on TG 1221, then switched to TG 1222, after changing channels the 2nd guy said "Is this better?" Given that set of exchanges, what are your feelings on labeling 1221 as Marion Trouble, and 1222 as Muncie Trouble, or do you think more time/information is needed?

Also, I heard a few exchanges with a guy calling TrailComm, or TrailCon, on TG 1003. I haven't looked at the TGs on the other systems yet to see if there is such a thing as Trailcomm/Trailcon though. The calls were about excess usage, and a dead meter.

Also, on DSD+, I'm seeing some 98 RIDs, but also a lot of "EXTERNAL". I'm guessing that's probably a patch from their OpenSky network?

 

[mtindor]

Mike, currently hearing traffic on 1F5 45, I heard a guy tell another guy "Marion traffic is to go thru the Muncie channel." They were on TG 1221, then switched to TG 1222, after changing channels the 2nd guy said "Is this better?" Given that set of exchanges, what are your feelings on labeling 1221 as Marion Trouble, and 1222 as Muncie Trouble, or do you think more time/information is needed?

I'm game for that. If they need changed later we can change them. I obviously prefer absolute certainty when it comes to talkgroups so that we don't have to keep adjusting them, but sometimes it's just not possible to sit around and monitor a power system 24/7 to get exact details. After all, some days the traffic is extremely low or nonexistent on a given site. So we'll go with 1221 Marion Trouble and 1222 as Muncie Trouble for now. Submit it, if you haven't already.

Also, I heard a few exchanges with a guy calling TrailComm, or TrailCon, on TG 1003. I haven't looked at the TGs on the other systems yet to see if there is such a thing as Trailcomm/Trailcon though. The calls were about excess usage, and a dead meter.

I'd have to think about that. I really have no idea what that would be.

Also, on DSD+, I'm seeing some 98 RIDs, but also a lot of "EXTERNAL". I'm guessing that's probably a patch from their OpenSky network?

Probably. Oftentimes the EXTERNAL stuff is really loud, which seems to be also indicative of patched stuff.

 

[mtindor]

Mike, currently hearing traffic on 1F5 45, I heard a guy tell another guy "Marion traffic is to go thru the Muncie channel." They were on TG 1221, then switched to TG 1222, after changing channels the 2nd guy said "Is this better?" Given that set of exchanges, what are your feelings on labeling 1221 as Marion Trouble, and 1222 as Muncie Trouble, or do you think more time/information is needed?

Maybe I would consider that 1222 is Muncie Trouble. But, if you look at Ohio, it seems like there is going to be some rhyme or reason with even number talkgroups being trouble and odd number being Line in many cases. So maybe 1221 would not end up being Marion Trouble but some Line talkgroup.

I'd submit an update for 1222 for now, to have it changed to Muncie Troube.

 

[wa8pyr]

Also, on DSD+, I'm seeing some 98 RIDs, but also a lot of "EXTERNAL". I'm guessing that's probably a patch from their OpenSky network?

Probably. Oftentimes the EXTERNAL stuff is really loud, which seems to be also indicative of patched stuff.

Pretty typical for a patch. Unless a tech sits there and tinkers with the audio settings for quite awhile to get it right, it's pretty tough to get consistently good audio from a patch, especially when it's two different systems; the only time I've heard reasonably decent, consistent audio from a patch was when two talkgroups on the same system were patched through a dispatchers console.

 

[west-pac]

I'd have to think about that. I really have no idea what that would be.

I just heard a guy doing a residential disconnect on TG 1003. He called in with a meter or ticket number, dispatch checked and said "no payment on the acct. You're good to disconnect." It sounds like some type of service TG, versus a Trouble TG.

 

[mtindor]

I was just reviewing some AEP FCC Construction Notifications filed this week -- most are for sites we already know are online. But one that struck me was ULS Application - 0009218254 - AMERICAN ELECTRIC POWER SERVICE CORPORATION - Notification

This one is for:
Dowagiac MI (Cass)
Niles MI (Berrien)
Three Rivers MI (St Joseph)
Avilla IN (Noble)

Another that got my attention was: ULS Application - 0009218335 - American Electric Power Service Corporation - Notification

This one is for:
Fort Stockton TX (Pecos)

FCC Construction Notifications do not indicate that a site is actually online. But historically, if these are filed, a site is likely to be online sooner than later. So if you are in those areas you should be checking for a P25 control channel with a WACN of 92715 and a System ID of 1F5 (for Indiana) and 1F8 (for Texas).

American Electric Power System - Google My Maps

Covering all AR, IN, KY, LA, MI, OH, OK, TN, TX, VA, WV sites. Click in this box to view more Down in the site list, click no the box for the state whose sites you want to see so that those sites will display on the map 1F6 - AEP Ohio System ID 1F7 - Appalachian Power System ID 1F9 - OK...

www.google.com