Birmingham PD going enc.?

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WX4JCW

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They are replacing it. They are not re-using any of the old infrastructure other than towers. The transition from one system to another is a pain and there are always issues. You wind up with users on both systems and TGs between systems patched together. Trust me, in that situation, patches suck. Been there and done that. Here is Morgan Co we moved roughly 1700 users from VHF, UHF, and 800 EDACS to P-25 and it was a lot of work and there were all kinds of problems. B'ham/JeffCo there are probably close to 10,000 users. I can't imagine how much of a PITA moving everyone is.

As far as encryption goes, you guys can armchair-quarterback all you want but I can tell you no one just randomly popped up and said "Hey, let's encrypt everything." There were meetings with user agency heads and decisions were made on how many TGs each agency needs, how they want them named, whether or not to encrypt, and other things. Yeah, I get it that encryption sucks for scanner listeners but at the same time you have people like some the idiots up here that either (A) post a text summary every radio transmission to a FB scanner group or (B) follow the police or show up on scenes in private vehicles that closely resemble local LE, and dressed like LE, carrying the same radios as LE (but programmed as a scanner), carrying weapons like LE and people wonder why agencies want to encrypt radio channels. Another thing... if you are pulled over on a traffic stop, do you want the officer to give your name, dob, and SSN over a clear channel for all the bad guys to record and then use to open accounts in your name?

That argument washes for teletype and tactical channels , as I’ve stated before it’s who you elect, someone hired that 911 director they can darn sure fire him, hopefully we can start making examples of these administrators, will only be a matter of time and enough pressure


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The wave for LE encryption has been going on for years now. The goal nationwide over time is to encrypt everything like it or not. Now the wave of encrypting the fire departments is in the beginning phase. It's all a master plan. Anybody can argue all they want over it good or bad. But its happening nationwide and there is nothing nobody can do about it except keep their old scanners and don't buy new ones and waste their money. It seems like all of these small and medium and large size departments are all on board with it. It seems like more and more news popping up on these forums from all over the nation with more and more encryption when you would of never thought it could happen and it is at this point.
Spot on.

New Mexico is heading the same direction, some slower than others, few having it already just not using it, very few using it fully.

I know as I maintain a small system and it's been in works for some time with nearly any county I've associated with.

I won't get into the why and how come debates. Those are apparent.

It has become a phase out here when LE upgrades everyone from fire to water maids get same upgrade as its easier. Already we have fire, oem, LE capable of using it which has been occurring during sensite incidents and without issue as we work with the agencies around us and vice versa so authorized users can monitor specific channels they would need.

It is a myth on it won't work, can't work, impossible to manage keys and have interoperability.

While the vtacs and 8tacs exist many out this way have been licensing their own tacs, sharing between another along with the keys for it. If vtacs need to be used they would be but the setup has become flawless with proper trainings and policies.
 

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I know the director and he is a good guy. As one of the Admins on the system I can also tell you that the way I explained it in my other post is how it is done.

That argument washes for teletype and tactical channels , as I’ve stated before it’s who you elect, someone hired that 911 director they can darn sure fire him, hopefully we can start making examples of these administrators, will only be a matter of time and enough pressure
 

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Y'all do also realize the new BPD Chief is former LAPD also. Not sure that has a lot to do with it BUT could also be a small factor.
 

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99% of LAPD is unencrypted, they run UHF 500mhz now, but the new P25 system is coming online and its probably only a matter of time before they go dark (a lot of rumors), as well as LA Co Sheriff, San Bernardino and Riverside have already gone dark for law enforcement, SBD encrypts EMS as well
 

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I know the director and he is a good guy. As one of the Admins on the system, I can also tell you that the way I explained it in my other post is how it is done.
no armchair Quarterbacking here, it's a political decision and my original comment still stands, doesn't matter how nice of a guy he is, You all feel the need to play this game, well we still have the right and ability to vote and make political changes, I for one have no problem in sending these admins packing through politics. now granted it probably stands little chance, but at some point, it would be nice to see the administrators squirm, especially when there is this air of indignation that anyone would dare question the decision
 

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I for one have no problem in sending these admins packing through politics.

I do... I don't live in the City of Birmingham so I can't vote them out. :)

I do have to say on the LE political front, I am proud of our Former Jeff Co Sheriff Mike Hale for being a gentleman. Read an article last night about how 9 or the 10 outgoing Sheriffs did what could be considered spiteful (one of them I would say may be even illegal) things to the new Sheriffs. The one that had a smooth uneventful transition was Jefferson County.

I always thought it was funny that when the 2012 Tornado came through Clay it wiped out so may houses and took down so many tree's in his neighborhood but the day while I was with crews assessing damage I noticed his house was untouched. Hardly a branch down in his yard.... Mother nature even knew not to mess with sheriff Mike Hale.

How Alabama sheriffs who lost reelection made life harder for their successors
 

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I think I’ve managed to get my TRX-1 dialed in! Pulling full signal and receiving constant trunking info from both sides of the county. (I live in the Mt Olive area and work in Hoover)
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Do you use the Trx-1 in the vehicle only and do you use an external antenna and speaker?
I use it at home, in the car, and at work. I’ve tried multiple antennas and, on a fluke, I tried out a 700/800MHz Motorola antenna from a APX6000, with a SMA-to-BNC adaptor...and it’s the magic combination. I’ve sat it side by side with my wife’s APX6000 and it’s picking up everything. Im receiving less of a signal from the simulcast towers but it’s the best I’ve gotten so far.
 
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Glad to see you're having good luck with mobile monitoring.

The worst part about the AFRN switch for me is that it has pretty much caused me to give up on any kind of mobile monitoring since my Pro-96 can't handle the LSM and there's virtually no benefit for me to upgrade scanners. I've tried low profile and high gain NMO antennas as well as rubber duckies in the car and no matter what the signal is still terrible. On the old 800 system's simulcast I could monitor from Clay all the way to the Tuscaloosa County line on 20/59 with very little signal drop out.

If BPD hadn't gone encrypted then I would have no problem upgrading to a new scanner since my daily commute takes me through Jefferson County, Bham, and Homewood. I have Hoover and other departments programmed in but I rarely monitor them. Without BPD I really have no incentive to upgrade so I just monitor Jeffco from the house and that's it.
 

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I am not in AL but I do send my condolences. I know the feeling of "going dark" very well.

I take solace in knowing I had listened to a lot of good stuff over the years and got my start in the radio hobby because of it. You might as well. We always knew at some point it would end, if not due to this, but just due to technology changing.

Good luck and hopefully you will still be able to find out what is going on from the local media and the agencies will be good about putting out information. They aren't always and they don't always let the media have a radio either.
 
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