kc2klc
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You are correct - thanks for that clarification. I am not at all familiar with the 992 - had to look at the online manual at the Uniden website just to figure out whether or not it had a gain control.
Broome County P25 Phase II TRS
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I will echo K2hz's comment about the problems Unidens other than the SDS series have with P25 LSM on simulcast systems. I have a 392P2 and a 436 and found both performed poorly to not at all on systems in Georgia and NJ. Even in areas of NJ where I thought the Unidens were receiving well, when I bought a Unication and placed them side by side I realized how much the Unidens were missing. On the other hand, as I had posted earlier, I live 0.7 miles from a Broome system tower with a hill shielding me from the next closest tower, so both the 436 and 396P2 receive the system very well at my home. Getting a better antenna to improve reception of the Broome system may be counterproductive for you. I recall posts in the NJ Forum commenting that putting uniden scanners in paint cans helped reception in locations in areas where LSM interfered with reception of the NJICS system.
Finally, the decreased activity you notice at times may be a manifestation of the LSM issues the scanner is known to have. As an example, when two or more control signals are within range the scanner may have difficulty locking onto one transmitter and when this occurs the scanner will not pick up any transmissions.
kc2klc
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After running SDRTrunk for a while (in my absence), I went back through the log, and it appears Talkgroup 27124 showed up several times; the entries all take the form:
20221229 121620,PASSED,NAC:680 TSBK2 LOCN_REG_RESPONS TO:7012059 GROUP:27124 RFSS:1 SITE:8 RESPONSE:ACCEPT
(All of the entries are TO:7012059, which I understand is the ID # for a particular radio.)
That talkgroup is not in the RadioReference database for this system. I assume that the database is periodically updated, and that this talkgroup hasn't yet been added; is there any other way to identify it? Or is it possible I'm misinterpreting the log entry? Thanks!
20221229 121620,PASSED,NAC:680 TSBK2 LOCN_REG_RESPONS TO:7012059 GROUP:27124 RFSS:1 SITE:8 RESPONSE:ACCEPT
(All of the entries are TO:7012059, which I understand is the ID # for a particular radio.)
That talkgroup is not in the RadioReference database for this system. I assume that the database is periodically updated, and that this talkgroup hasn't yet been added; is there any other way to identify it? Or is it possible I'm misinterpreting the log entry? Thanks!
There are many Law, Fire, and EMS talkgroups that are missing from the RadioReference database for Broome County. Talkgroup 27124 is "Emergency Management Ops 2" on a list I have. I'm not sure if I should submit the list I have and I haven't had time to research how to do it.
They turned the Fire/EMS Paging patch off late last week. Hopefully they'll put it back.
27124 is "OES Ops 2" and is the Office of Emergency Services Operations talk group. 7012059 is the ID for one of their admin radios.
Broome County's 12-site, analog, simulcast paging channel (159.1050) was installed in late 2016 and has always been planned as the primary paging for Fire and EMS. There was never really a plan to add paging to the P25 system, so resources on that system were not anticipated. However, there is a push to add the capability. The county did install a conventional channel gateway (CCGW) however and paging was on the air for a few weeks to test the capability.
The county plans to bring all agencies onto the new P25 system first and after a period of time to assess and review the system usage and resources, will then consider the impact of adding paging back onto the UHF system.
The county plans to bring all agencies onto the new P25 system first and after a period of time to assess and review the system usage and resources, will then consider the impact of adding paging back onto the UHF system.
Broome County is planning to begin dispatching Battalion 2 Fire and EMS agencies on the new P25 system beginning Monday, 1/30/23. Other Battalions will follow a few weeks to a month after, depending on how quickly mobile radios are installed in the fire apparatus and ambulances.
are they going to be paging on their main P25 channel and carry Batt 2 on their ops frequency as well? I know they where planning to page on the VHF and everything else on the digital system but are they going to simulcast paging on both the VHF and Digital as well if you know or not?
Thanks
At this time paging (tone outs) will only be done via the conventional VHF system (159.1050). Paging may be added to the P25 system after all agencies are up and running and the county has evaluated system resources before adding that traffic. Scene response, coordination, dispatch services that are currently done on county fire low band 33.90 and on Binghamton/Johnson City Fire 460.575 will be migrated for these agencies to P25 talkgroup 27102 "Battalion 2 Dispatch." Assignments for scene operations will be on talk groups 27114 - "Ops 3W," 27115 - "Ops 4W," 27116 - Ops 5W," 27117 "Ops 6W," 27118 - "Ops 7W," 27119 - "Ops 8W," or 27110 - "Ops 9C." Additional scene assignments may be assigned to each agency's "Ops 2" talk group (there are too many to list here). Additionally there are P25 simplex channels that may be assigned if needed.
During my visits to NJ I've found the counties that have been transitioning to the NJICS P25P2 system have generally been utilizing a VHF or UHF analog "paging only" frequency for toneouts similar to Broome. If my recollection is accurate, I don't believe the pages also went out on the P25 system. However, in Cape May County I noticed the EMS and FD voice pages are simultaneously broadcast without the tones on the local PD talkgroup. The PD dispatcher still confirms the closest units are responding but this method does get the PD units there just slightly earlier, which can be crucial in some situations.
are they going to patch in the other 3 Batt into the old WB Ops Frequency's i know Batt2 is now on Western Broome ops 2 (154.310) was not sure if they are going to patch the other 3 parts into the other old frequency's (154.355,154.190 etc )
kc2klc
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My old scanner is running and I just caught a snippet of a broadcast on 158.730. The only assignment I'm aware of for this frequency is the BC Sheriff - but I thought they migrated to the trunked system (I'm certainly hearing plenty of their activity there!). So, is the migration piecemeal, or did I hear something else on my scanner? (Regrettably the transmission was too short for me to characterize it; I've been sitting on the freq for a while now with no joy.)
Most of the BC Sheriff transmissions that you hear on their P25 talkgroup are still being patched in from the old VHF analog system. See the Dec 22 post by bcrmc.
Battalion 1 Fire/EMS is due to be transitioned to the P25 system on February 27. The county has provided the battalion map with agencies listed here: https://gobroomecounty.com/sites/default/files/dept/e911/pdfs/Fire Battalions Bsize.pdf
Is fire/ems on Broome East simulcasted on Broome West?
By design, the east talk groups do not broadcast to the west. This is to reduce the amount of channel resources needed on the system. The only time that east-specific talk groups would be broadcast in the west would be when a east user who is selected on that talk group roams to the west, thereby forcing the system to broadcast countywide.
There are some talk groups purposely programmed to broadcast in both east and west, such as the Sheriff talk groups and emergency talk groups.
There are some talk groups purposely programmed to broadcast in both east and west, such as the Sheriff talk groups and emergency talk groups.
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