California Radio Interoperable System (CRIS)

franks_ham

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All the TG hits I’ve seen on North Valley sites are 13x and 141. But my logged Radio ID’s were also 3 digit. Maybe I only logged the last 3 digits, maybe I’m not interpreting Unitrunker’s logs correctly, maybe it’s Friday and things are a blur now.
It seems like *most* of the Radio Techs (DCxxx) are in the 110xx range. Most talkgroups that I've seen are 3 digits as well.

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-Frank C.
 
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All the TG hits I’ve seen on North Valley sites are 13x and 141. But my logged Radio ID’s were also 3 digit. Maybe I only logged the last 3 digits, maybe I’m not interpreting Unitrunker’s logs correctly, maybe it’s Friday and things are a blur now.
I use DSD+ Fast lane
 

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Well.... If I may be so audacious as to interrupt the pontificating and return us back to the main purpose of the thread... 8*)

Site 26 is on the air.
WACN: BEE00 Sys: 9D6 NAC: $9D6

769.20625 - CC
770.90625 - alt
773.31875 - alt
774.06875 - alt

Too weak into my location within the Santa Clarita Valley to hazard a real guess as to where it's located/.
 

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Well.... If I may be so audacious as to interrupt the pontificating and return us back to the main purpose of the thread... 8*)

Site 26 is on the air.
WACN: BEE00 Sys: 9D6 NAC: $9D6

769.20625 - CC
770.90625 - alt
773.31875 - alt
774.06875 - alt

Too weak into my location within the Santa Clarita Valley to hazard a real guess as to where it's located/.
Matches up with the Tejon submission: California Radio Interoperable System (CRIS)
 

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For those interested, here's an updated list of the known sites from the CRIS maps and the "known" site numbers.


#RegionSite NameSite Number
1Central ValleyPine Hilll1
2Central ValleyOso Mountain2
3Central ValleyBullion Mountain3
4Central ValleyBlue Ridge Lookout4
5Central ValleyJoaquin Ridge5
6Central ValleyRound Mountain6
7North ValleyCapitol7
8North ValleyBald Mountain8 ?
9North ValleyBloomer Mountain9
10North ValleyTuscan Butte10
11North ValleySouth Fork Mountain11
12Bay AreaSeigler Mountain?
13Bay AreaMount Saint Helena13 ?
14Bay AreaDiablo Mountain?
15Bay AreaVaca Mountain15
16Bay AreaUnknown 6?
17Bay AreaUnknown 7?
18Bay AreaUnknown 8?
19Bay AreaUnknown 9?
20Bay AreaLoma Prieta Peak20 ?
21I-80 EastHowell Mountain?
22I-80 EastWolf Mountain?
23I-80 EastBanner Mountain?
24Tri-CountyRincon Peak24
25Tri-CountySouth Mountain?
26Tri-CountyTejon Peak26 ?
27Tri-CountyOat Mountain27
28Tri-CountyHauser Mountain?
29Tri-CountyLukens Mountain29
30Tri-CountySantiago Peak30
 
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I obviously understand that the database is only as good as the information submitted but I see a few things that don't seem to line up.

From the information I have each of the CRIS sites being built out right now are 6 frequency sites. The database shows site 29 with 11 frequencies and site 30 with 8 frequencies. I know it's possible they decided to add additional frequencies to those sites but did they? Also, are those sites busy enough right now that someone has been able to confirm that many frequencies on those sites?
 

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Site 29 - Lukens indeed seems to have 9 of the 11 frequencies listed in Db. Just ran Pro96Com. I would assume the other 2 listed in the Db would pop up if there is voice traffic on them.


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Is anyone able to confirm the NAC for Site 27? The database is showing 9D6 but the pattern from the other sites would seem to indicate it should be 9D7.

- Thanks
 
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Site: 36 is south of me . So it has to be Williams Hill /Calandra that's the only site I think they will use down in the King City Area
 

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Site: 36 is south of me . So it has to be Williams Hill /Calandra that's the only site I think they will use down in the King City Area
Until they post a coverage map for that region, the best way to find out is to take a nice drive as close to the tower as you can get and see what the RSSI shows.
 

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I think LAFlyer is mad at me - I keep sending changes and things keep changing. I'll have to not be so quick on the trigger - sorry LAFlyer!

This week there has been a LOT of testing in the clear on talkgroup 1301 on the Lukens and Santiago sites. I've also recorded traffic on talkgroup 50151 on Lukens. Current control setups according to sdrtrunk are as follows:

Santiago:
Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:9D2[2514] NAC:9D0[2512] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:9D2[2514] NAC:9D0[2512] RFSS:01[1] SITE:1E[30] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1350 DOWNLINK:770443750 UPLINK:771193750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1770 DOWNLINK:773068750 UPLINK:773818750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1850 DOWNLINK:773568750 UPLINK:774318750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1928 DOWNLINK:774056250 UPLINK:774806250
STATION ID/LICENSE:

Neighbor Sites
UNKNOWN

Lukens:
Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:9D2[2514] NAC:9D9[2521] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:9D2[2514] NAC:9D9[2521] RFSS:01[1] SITE:1D[29] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1274 DOWNLINK:769968750 UPLINK:770718750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1426 DOWNLINK:770918750 UPLINK:771668750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1814 DOWNLINK:773343750 UPLINK:774093750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1886 DOWNLINK:773793750 UPLINK:774543750
CURRENT DATA CHANNEL:15-4095 DOWNLINK:0 UPLINK:0
STATION ID/LICENSE:

Neighbor Sites
UNKNOWN
 

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Santiago:
Network
WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:9D2[2514] NAC:9D0[2512] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
SYSTEM:9D2[2514] NAC:9D0[2512] RFSS:01[1] SITE:1E[30] LRA:00[0] STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1350 DOWNLINK:770443750 UPLINK:771193750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1770 DOWNLINK:773068750 UPLINK:773818750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1850 DOWNLINK:773568750 UPLINK:774318750
SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1928 DOWNLINK:774056250 UPLINK:774806250
...
The "uplink" frequencies are suspicious, at only +750kHz from the "downlink", which would be quite a technical challenge (and pretty unlikely to be tried, or necessary). When I decode the Santiago CC with DSD+, I get no indication that the input frequency is anything other than the standard +30MHz offset, with repeated sets of:
Code:
IDEN_UP              ID=0 Base=851.006250 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
IDEN_UP              ID=1 Base=762.006250 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
IDEN_UP_TDMA         ID=2 Base=851.012500 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
IDEN_UP_TDMA         ID=3 Base=762.006250 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
MOT_BSI_GRANT        Null BSI  ch=770.443750
NET_STS_BCST         WACN ID=BEE00 SysID=9D2 LRA=0 CC=770.443750 SC=70
Opcode=5 MFID=90     05 90 ...
Opcode=9 MFID=90     09 90 ...
RFSS_STS_BCST        SysID=9D2 LRA=0 RFSS=1 Site=30 CC=770.443750 SC=70
SCCB                 RFSS=1 Site=30 [ch=773.068750 SSC=04] [ch=774.056250 SSC=04]
SCCB                 RFSS=1 Site=30 [ch=773.568750 SSC=04] [ch=773.068750 SSC=04]
SCCB                 RFSS=1 Site=30 [ch=774.056250 SSC=04] [ch=773.568750 SSC=04]
BTW, does anyone know that the Opcode=5 and Opcode=9 messages are, how to decode them, and whether the DSD+ folks are working on them?
 

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The "uplink" frequencies are suspicious, at only +750kHz from the "downlink", which would be quite a technical challenge (and pretty unlikely to be tried, or necessary). When I decode the Santiago CC with DSD+, I get no indication that the input frequency is anything other than the standard +30MHz offset, with repeated sets of:
Code:
IDEN_UP              ID=0 Base=851.006250 Offset=-45 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
IDEN_UP              ID=1 Base=762.006250 Offset=+30 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
IDEN_UP_TDMA         ID=2 Base=851.012500 Offset=-45 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
IDEN_UP_TDMA         ID=3 Base=762.006250 Offset=+30 Spacing=12.5 BW=12.5 Slots=2
MOT_BSI_GRANT        Null BSI  ch=770.443750
NET_STS_BCST         WACN ID=BEE00 SysID=9D2 LRA=0 CC=770.443750 SC=70
Opcode=5 MFID=90     05 90 ...
Opcode=9 MFID=90     09 90 ...
RFSS_STS_BCST        SysID=9D2 LRA=0 RFSS=1 Site=30 CC=770.443750 SC=70
SCCB                 RFSS=1 Site=30 [ch=773.068750 SSC=04] [ch=774.056250 SSC=04]
SCCB                 RFSS=1 Site=30 [ch=773.568750 SSC=04] [ch=773.068750 SSC=04]
SCCB                 RFSS=1 Site=30 [ch=774.056250 SSC=04] [ch=773.568750 SSC=04]
I don't think I even noticed that before. Could be an error in the way sdrtrunk is reading the data, but it does line up with the reported channel offsets:

BAND:0 FDMA BASE:851006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-1125000
BAND:1 FDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:750000
BAND:2 TDMA BASE:851012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000 TIMESLOTS:2
BAND:3 TDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000 TIMESLOTS:2

Again, could be an error in sdrtrunk. I'll have to fire up my Windows machine and try it with dsd or unitrunker.
 

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@phipac: This is what I see in the Now Playing Details tab in SDRTrunk 0.5.0-alpha6 under java 1.8.0_281 on Win10 sees when I added just the control channel (770.44375) and hit the Play button (i.e. normal offsets), both for the site's channels and in the bandplan. Try removing and re-adding the playlist. Looks like the bandplan got corrupted.
Code:
Activity Summary - Decoder:P25 Phase 1 Normal (C4FM)

Network
  WACN:BEE00[781824] SYSTEM:9D2[2514] NAC:9D0[2512] LRA:00[0]

Current Site
  SYSTEM:9D2[2514] NAC:9D0[2512] RFSS:01[1] SITE:1E[30] LRA:00[0]  STATUS:ACTIVE RFSS NETWORK CONNECTION
  PRI CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1350 DOWNLINK:770443750 UPLINK:800443750
  SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1770 DOWNLINK:773068750 UPLINK:803068750
  SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1850 DOWNLINK:773568750 UPLINK:803568750
  SEC CONTROL CHANNEL:1-1928 DOWNLINK:774056250 UPLINK:804056250
  STATION ID/LICENSE: 

Neighbor Sites
  UNKNOWN
Frequency Bands
  BAND:0 FDMA BASE:851006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000
  BAND:1 FDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:6250 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000
  BAND:2 TDMA BASE:851012500 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:-45000000 TIMESLOTS:2
  BAND:3 TDMA BASE:762006250 BANDWIDTH:12500 SPACING:12500 TRANSMIT OFFSET:30000000 TIMESLOTS:2
 
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