County linked to 45.88

[Mtnrider]

Here what sounded like radio repair mobile on the northway coming thru 45.88 heard them say "On pinicalle"
or how ever you spell it....sounded like a repeater or link to the transmitter from ?????

 

[RF-Burns]

Wonder if it was skip, Monroe County uses 45.88 Statewide Mutual Aid Channel and the antenna is on Pinnacle Hill in Rochester, NY.

 

[c0untyb0y]

Wonder if it was skip, Monroe County uses 45.88 Statewide Mutual Aid Channel and the antenna is on Pinnacle Hill in Rochester, NY.

Rochester Fire (154.130) used to come in fairly clear on top of the hill near the former Oneida County Airport (which is now NYS Homeland Security's training facility). that frequency used to be our "home alert" fire channel until we moved off on to a new frequency for a repeater system.

they share the same tower?

 

[eng5]

There is no Public Safety on Pinnacle Hill in Rochester. Perhaps it was near Albany where there's a Pinnacle Mountain.

 

[Mtnrider]

I have heard testing before and like i said they were on the northway aka I87 . Choice of counties is wide as to whom had the link connected or whatever the radios techs were doing.

 

[FDNY10-75]

It was Albany County's radio techs testing a patch from ESIRS to 45.88 on the Pinnacle tower.

 

[Mtnrider]

Thanks

 

[DaveNF2G]

Monroe County's PS stuff is on Cobb's hill, not Pinnacle.

 

[SCPD]

45.88 In New York State

Hi--45.88mhz is New York State Fire. It is used to go from county to county. It is NOT licensed for any other use. I have been with the fire department here in Lower Westchester County, NY for many years.
Hope this helps you out.

Bob

 

[Alarms50]

FYI - 45.88MHz is one of the National Interoperable frequencies, designated as LFIRE4D (simplex). See page 25 of the National Interoperable Field Operations Guide http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/nifog-v1-4-rotated-for-viewing.pdf. Any agency with a PS (Public Safety) FCC license can program this frequency (along with all of the other National I/O freqs.) without having to add these to their license. I have programmed this freq. in all of our low band radios.

 

[RF-Burns]

45.880 has been in use in NYS for over 40 years. Way before any department of Homeland Security bull crap. 45.880 in NYS is only for Base-to-Base Communications for County-to-County Mutual Aid Request and for FIRE/EMS only. I no a few years ago Wayne County NY was using it for Mutual Aid request for Police and NYS Fire sent them a nasty gram telling them to stop using it for PD its sole purpose is for fire and ems. I’m sure in times of emergency the Feds could take it over and use it but until that happens in has no purpose but base-to-base communications in NYS. With that said I have never heard any skip on 45.880 so I don't no if anyone else uses it either.

FYI - 45.88MHz is one of the National Interoperable frequencies, designated as LFIRE4D (simplex). See page 25 of the National Interoperable Field Operations Guide http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/nifog-v1-4-rotated-for-viewing.pdf. Any agency with a PS (Public Safety) FCC license can program this frequency (along with all of the other National I/O freqs.) without having to add these to their license. I have programmed this freq. in all of our low band radios.

 

[SteveC0625]

45.880 has been in use in NYS for over 40 years. Way before any department of Homeland Security bull crap. 45.880 in NYS is only for Base-to-Base Communications for County-to-County Mutual Aid Request and for FIRE/EMS only. I no a few years ago Wayne County NY was using it for Mutual Aid request for Police and NYS Fire sent them a nasty gram telling them to stop using it for PD its sole purpose is for fire and ems. I’m sure in times of emergency the Feds could take it over and use it but until that happens in has no purpose but base-to-base communications in NYS. With that said I have never heard any skip on 45.880 so I don't no if anyone else uses it either.

You are looking at the Fed designation backwards. They don't "take over" any of the frequencies listed in NIFOG. 45.88 is simply designated as an inter-op channel for fire on a nationwide basis *IF* and *WHEN* needed.

If there were a major disaster in NYS, 45.88 is already in place in most county EOC's and could be used as needed. Conversely, NYS units responding to an incident in another state would probably find 45.88 in use for a similar purpose there as well. That is, of course, if they are equipped with low band gear. And I am pretty sure the "base-to-base" useage would be set aside in a major incident, even one that does not involve the feds.

 

[Thunderknight]

FYI - 45.88MHz is one of the National Interoperable frequencies, designated as LFIRE4D (simplex). See page 25 of the National Interoperable Field Operations Guide http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/nifog-v1-4-rotated-for-viewing.pdf. Any agency with a PS (Public Safety) FCC license can program this frequency (along with all of the other National I/O freqs.) without having to add these to their license. I have programmed this freq. in all of our low band radios.

This needs clarification. A license IS needed to USE 45.88 under normal circumstances. 45.88, while in the NIFOG as a common channel, is NOT covered under the blanket authorization provision that covers the VCALL, VTAC, UCALL, UTAC, 700 & 800 interop channels. See page 5 of the NIFOG (1.4).

 

[Alarms50]

This needs clarification. A license IS needed to USE 45.88 under normal circumstances. 45.88, while in the NIFOG as a common channel, is NOT covered under the blanket authorization provision that covers the VCALL, VTAC, UCALL, UTAC, 700 & 800 interop channels. See page 5 of the NIFOG (1.4).

It appears you are correct, my oversight.

FCC Part 90 - Private Land Mobile Radio Services http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title47-vol5/pdf/CFR-2006-title47-vol5-part90.pdf page 252 lists frequency 45.88 with limitation #19. This limitation states (on page 263) "This frequency is reserved for assignment to stations in this service for intersystem operations only and these operations must be primarily base-mobile communications".

Part 90 lists all of the requirements and limitations of all FCC licensees in this radio service. If you have an FCC license (as all public safety agencies (should) have) these are the rules the FCC says you will abide by. So, technically NYS using this freq for only base to base operations only goes against what the FCC rules states it can be used for.

 

[APX8000]

Back in the day, we used to have several Fire Coordinators from outside counties come up on 45.88 to call in accidents, car fires or other incidents they rolled up on, especially in areas where there was poor or no cell coverage.

Now they just come up on our County Channel 1 or use the cell and call it in. One of the reasons for the change (besides cell towers everywhere now) was because we only maintained a local base on 45.88 vs. 8 tower sites on our channel 1...shady cell coverage spots had shady radio coverage as well, this solved the problem.

I've only heard it in base-to-base lately, which does go against it's intent per FCC.

 

[DaveNF2G]

It is not "against" FCC regulations for a regional entity (or a state) to add restrictions on a frequency that are tighter than the regs. It would be a violation for someone to allow uses on a frequency that FCC regulations prohibit.

 

[GTR8000]

It is not "against" FCC regulations for a regional entity (or a state) to add restrictions on a frequency that are tighter than the regs. It would be a violation for someone to allow uses on a frequency that FCC regulations prohibit.

That's not what the discussion is focused on. Please re-read this post, the quoted section of Part 90 that pertains specifically to 45.88 MHz:

FCC Part 90 - Private Land Mobile Radio Services http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/CFR-2006-title47-vol5/pdf/CFR-2006-title47-vol5-part90.pdf page 252 lists frequency 45.88 with limitation #19. This limitation states (on page 263) "This frequency is reserved for assignment to stations in this service for intersystem operations only and these operations must be primarily base-mobile communications".

Seeing as how 45.88 has become primarily an "intercounty" base to base frequency, the usage is in contradiction with the FCC rules.


In any case, the bottom line is that 45.88 has been used in NYS for decades as the Fire Mutual Aid Intercounty frequency for fire control centers to contact each other, as well as being used by the county Fire Coordinators for out-of-county mutual aid purposes. Historically, the frequency has not been programmed as any kind of "interagency" mutual aid frequency in the front line units. It's not used as an "interop" frequency in the common sense.

 

[Mtnrider]

Heard again tonight 992 to 995 and 995 to State......whats interesting is its a repeater.....

 

[58006]

It sounds like it is the NYS OEM Emergency Operations Center. Many of the OEM (former SEMO) low band stations/emergency alert system (EAS) stations are "repeated". Not sure who those ID's belong to, SEMO/OEM used to have ids that were the region number then unit number like 3-1. They have had some reorganizing, so that may have changed.

When the EOC talks on 45.56 they ID themselves as "State".


Some gee whiz info:
Slightly of the specific topic but it was brought up. Yes the FCC has there specific guidelines for frequencies, but there are regional entities that further control frequencies. When the frequency coordinators, coordinate the frequencies, you (the applicant) must have a letter of authorization from these regional entities. Such is the case in NYS. Most often to gain a base station license for 155.280, 155.340, 155.400 you have to have a letter granting authorization from the NYS Department of Health, Bureau of EMS. If you want to get a base license for 155.475 Nationwide LE you have to have a letter of authorization from the Division of State Police.