Donations will now be subscriptions
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fleurycove
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This IS something i will do with no argument from me, just trying to figure it out. You have a Damn good website here i for one enjoy it.
Thanks for all your hard work.......
Thanks for all your hard work.......
mkewman
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whoop! nevermind! my question got answered!
I'm excited to see what the new features are!
I'm excited to see what the new features are!
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DaveH
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Lindsay,
I always thought the US$5 threshold for giving special priveledges
was low, so raising it is not unreasonable. As you can see at present I
am not a money contributor, so it doesn't directly affect me. I'm sure
what runs through lots of heads when a Donating Memeber symbol
doesn't pop up with every post, is "cheap SOB, doesn't want to
support RR", which I'm prepared to mostly dismiss, for reasons below.
A good mix of those who contribute money or database information
should be good for RR, and those who do both is a bonus. There are
those who have more time than money and visa versa, and those who
may not have a lot of both.
Money contribution is an easy metric whereas contribution of good DB
data may be more difficult. A point I made before was, if I listen just 20
minutes a day (say 100 hours/year) and the proceeds go to the RR
Database, I may receive an honourable mention. That puts my time at
about 5c/hour, a pretty good deal for RR, without any extra benefits.
It's a disparity I don't feel personally too put out by, but overall it still
concerns me.
At two ends of the spectrum, I'm sure there are those who contribute
excessive small amounts of information (which places more load on the
DB Admins) or inaccurate data sometimes to get their submission count
up; and those who may contribute small amounts of high-quality data,
but fall outside the Top 50" or "Top 100". Managing lists larger than
these must be difficult, and that is the limit of this kind of reward.
It's not that I don't intend to contribute money at some point but have
made a choice to concentrate on DB data. Trunked system pickings
are sometimes lean, and one has to sort through a lot of boring stuff
to find interesting new stuff that is "new" and not always obvious to
the average listener. Regrettably it still appears to be undervalued.
While the donate rate increase might be considered a bit sharp, the
$5/year folks were getting a real bargain.
So Lindsay, the site continues to be a great one. You have to go through
a lot, and I hope you take my points with the sincerity with which they are
offered.
By the way, I nominate Wilf for the "Most Creative Speller of Lindsay's
Name" award; a fellow Canadian at that.
Dave
I always thought the US$5 threshold for giving special priveledges
was low, so raising it is not unreasonable. As you can see at present I
am not a money contributor, so it doesn't directly affect me. I'm sure
what runs through lots of heads when a Donating Memeber symbol
doesn't pop up with every post, is "cheap SOB, doesn't want to
support RR", which I'm prepared to mostly dismiss, for reasons below.
A good mix of those who contribute money or database information
should be good for RR, and those who do both is a bonus. There are
those who have more time than money and visa versa, and those who
may not have a lot of both.
Money contribution is an easy metric whereas contribution of good DB
data may be more difficult. A point I made before was, if I listen just 20
minutes a day (say 100 hours/year) and the proceeds go to the RR
Database, I may receive an honourable mention. That puts my time at
about 5c/hour, a pretty good deal for RR, without any extra benefits.
It's a disparity I don't feel personally too put out by, but overall it still
concerns me.
At two ends of the spectrum, I'm sure there are those who contribute
excessive small amounts of information (which places more load on the
DB Admins) or inaccurate data sometimes to get their submission count
up; and those who may contribute small amounts of high-quality data,
but fall outside the Top 50" or "Top 100". Managing lists larger than
these must be difficult, and that is the limit of this kind of reward.
It's not that I don't intend to contribute money at some point but have
made a choice to concentrate on DB data. Trunked system pickings
are sometimes lean, and one has to sort through a lot of boring stuff
to find interesting new stuff that is "new" and not always obvious to
the average listener. Regrettably it still appears to be undervalued.
While the donate rate increase might be considered a bit sharp, the
$5/year folks were getting a real bargain.
So Lindsay, the site continues to be a great one. You have to go through
a lot, and I hope you take my points with the sincerity with which they are
offered.
By the way, I nominate Wilf for the "Most Creative Speller of Lindsay's
Name" award; a fellow Canadian at that.
Dave
xevious
Member
I just sent in my donation so I'm good for a while!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
KB8UYC
Member
I dont think 30.00 is bad.....however I think maybe it should have been started a little lower, a lot of people were banking on the 15.00. I could even understand 20.00 a year. I think 30.00 is pushing it and I dont see many people going over it. This is just my opionion. I will pay 30.00 but I will really have to think about it before going over that amount. You know I appreciate everything you are doing lindsay, but give the people a little break, I know that it takes you a lot to do what you do but dont push the money factor too far, we will see a decrease in the amout of members.
thanks for everything you are doing...and I hope that the new features will be worth it...
thanks for everything you are doing...and I hope that the new features will be worth it...
W8OSP
Member
Well if 10,000 peps of the 77,000 join and pay the 30 a yr, thats 300,000 a year. Looks like lindsay just changed jobs.
Hmmm my donation icon is gone also?? i know ive payed some this past year??
Hmmm my donation icon is gone also?? i know ive payed some this past year??
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mkh
Member
From my perspective there isn't much value added for the money involved. I don't need the personalized home page nor the .pdf reports. Even the downloads aren't currently worth it. If and when things change I'll consider donating.
I may do the $7.50 once just to help out but consider my circumstances -
I'm more into ham and swl that scanning and I don't see much added benefit for those.
I live on the outskirts of a large city in NE Florida that has an encrypted trunk system so nothing to download or scan. The county only has about 10 frequencies combined between fire and rescue so it is a one time load of those.
I don't travel enough to need the ability to reprogram the scanner.
I think your subscription rates are reasonable but I wanted to explain why I won't get the donor icon. I don't want anyone looking down on me for not having it.
I may do the $7.50 once just to help out but consider my circumstances -
I'm more into ham and swl that scanning and I don't see much added benefit for those.
I live on the outskirts of a large city in NE Florida that has an encrypted trunk system so nothing to download or scan. The county only has about 10 frequencies combined between fire and rescue so it is a one time load of those.
I don't travel enough to need the ability to reprogram the scanner.
I think your subscription rates are reasonable but I wanted to explain why I won't get the donor icon. I don't want anyone looking down on me for not having it.
First for me, paying $30 for subscribing to a GREAT WEBSITE with these features is nothing compared to the garbage in some mags that charge an outragous price! $9.00 for Monitoring times A MONTH! up here in Canada.
Second, to allow me to basically advertise my website for my stands is totally worth it!
There is lots of people doing this as well, and are complaining about a subsciption price! Blows my mind.
Lindsay is doing a fine job! Keep it up.
Take care
Second, to allow me to basically advertise my website for my stands is totally worth it!
There is lots of people doing this as well, and are complaining about a subsciption price! Blows my mind.
Lindsay is doing a fine job! Keep it up.
Take care
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cschmit
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ROCKnTIME said:
I have to agree with you 100%
amusement
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Lindsay,
My sincere request was answered by saracism. The following request was ignored.
It's your sand box. Your rules. Your actions reflect how RR operates.
If your committed to non negotionable refund then it defeats the purpose of having a conversation. If you are able to negotiate then I am willing to here the terms of a refund.
However, this gives you no entitlement to engage in sophmoric self expression adding to an "air" of distrust.
My sincere request was answered by saracism. The following request was ignored.
It's your sand box. Your rules. Your actions reflect how RR operates.
If your committed to non negotionable refund then it defeats the purpose of having a conversation. If you are able to negotiate then I am willing to here the terms of a refund.
However, this gives you no entitlement to engage in sophmoric self expression adding to an "air" of distrust.
D
DaveNF2G
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I think everybody needs to get away from this "If it's on the Internet, then it should be free" mentality. Nothing is free, nor are we entitled to the benefit of other people's work just because we happen to exist. If someone wants to charge, recover costs, make a profit, or whatever, then that's the way it's going to be. The objections and arguments are purely selfish. There is no argument anyone could conceivably make against paying for services that does not boil down to selfishness at its most basic level, especially when it comes to demanding that a specific person refrain from attempting to collect money.
MacombMonitor
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DaveNF2G said:
Not true! Lindsay claims the site will continue to be totally free for those who want to utilize the forums, and view the database.
DaveH
Member
Wilf11 said:
Wylf, do try to keep a sense of humour! I know how these things can get by a
spell-chequer.
Dave
Amusement, we'll let the members decide whether or not you get your donation back.
http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37157
If the members decide that you should get your refund, it will be minus Paypal fees.
http://www.radioreference.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37157
If the members decide that you should get your refund, it will be minus Paypal fees.
DaveH
Member
MacombMonitor said:
Let's not split rubber nickels here...Dave is speaking somewhat figuratively (as Spock
would say...). Everything has a cost even if you or I are not paying (directly) for it.
Dave
STiMULi
Member
Hmmmmm. Something to think about. Do I work for a profit or a wage?
In an earlier post Lindsay said it was a business. When you have the membership RR has you have no other way of treating it unless we were saving the whales. feeding the children or protecting our forests.
"Join the Save the Freqs. For just about 9 cents a day you could help Freqs find a new home."
In an earlier post Lindsay said it was a business. When you have the membership RR has you have no other way of treating it unless we were saving the whales. feeding the children or protecting our forests.
"Join the Save the Freqs. For just about 9 cents a day you could help Freqs find a new home."
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MacombMonitor
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It appears that it really doesn't matter what any of us think. Linday's post was more of a notice, not a debate. It is something that he says he is "doing", not considering.
Myself, I have donated well beyond the $30.00 already, as for me personally I felt it was of that much benefit to me. However, that was when it was not an annual requirement.
The bottom line, just like the price of gasoline...if you need it, you'll pay for it.
Myself, I have donated well beyond the $30.00 already, as for me personally I felt it was of that much benefit to me. However, that was when it was not an annual requirement.
The bottom line, just like the price of gasoline...if you need it, you'll pay for it.
MacombMonitor said:
Except of course, I'm not making billions in profit, and I'm not gouging you either...
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