Duke Energy P25 System

[mtindor]

Hello, I lurk on this thread just for the heck of it.
Here is an excerpt from the DB admin handbook:

Encrypted Talkgroups
In general, encrypted talkgroups will not be entered in the database, unless either of two specific conditions are met.

If the agency which "owns" an encrypted talkgroup can be confirmed to a reasonable degree of certainty, it may be entered in the talkgroup category for that agency. Ways to confirm ownership include monitoring unencrypted talkgroups for references to an encrypted talkgroup which then becomes active (ie "Switch to Tac 2" and the same units appear on the encrypted talkgroup), or regular use of the talkgroup by an overwhelming preponderance of radio IDs which have been confirmed as a specific agency.
Provided there are no clear (unencrypted) talkgroups on the system, encrypted talkgroups may be entered to indicate that there is activity on the system.

Nice catch. But, @scannerboy02 said they were "mostly" encrypted, which means that he is aware of unencrypted talkgroups. Might be a good idea to monitor the unencrypted talkgroups and find out what they are being used for so that they can be added to the DB.

Anyway, like I said, some admin may add them if he submits them. I will not. I don't believe it would serve any purpose other than clutter up the database with information that can never be used/useful.

 

[INDaviation]

I caught a little traffic in the clear on the Plainfield site, I'll see if I can figure out what it is.

 

[bravo14]

I wonder if the analog and p25 are patched together til the p25 is fully up and running? Have one radio for analog, other radio for p25 or dsdplus for p25?

 

[MSS-Dave]

In Florida, yes. About 28 T/G patched from 900 Mhz SmartZone to P25. This will continue until all of the areas have converted. Almost all major work is done for now with catch-up is some areas. There is sunset date for decommissioning the Motorola system but it is fluid for now for various reasons but 1 major one is called "Ian"....

I'd have to assume the Midwest areas are the same with bridging dissimilar systems together.

 

[INDaviation]

They used Motorola Harmony here so I have no idea if that system is even still up.

 

[scannerboy02]

My thoughts for having them added to the database was for importing functions. If someone wanted to import the data into a decoding software it might be nice to have the talk groups that others have heard active automatically imported instead of having to add those manually, especially as more talk groups become active.

As far as my use of "mostly encrypted" goes, I can count on one hand the number of clear transmissions I have heard out of thousands that have occurred. The system is in full use here in Cincinnati and is 99.99999999999999999999% encrypted.

 

[west-pac]

My thoughts for having them added to the database was for importing functions. If someone wanted to import the data into a decoding software it might be nice to have the talk groups that others have heard active automatically imported instead of having to add those manually, especially as more talk groups become active.

As far as my use of "mostly encrypted" goes, I can count on one hand the number of clear transmissions I have heard out of thousands that have occurred. The system is in full use here in Cincinnati and is 99.99999999999999999999% encrypted.

Just submit your TG data.

 

[bravo14]

When I saw a few TG's pop up on dsdplus so I went to the sds200 and sds100 and turn to the 900 analog system and nothing was patched to the new system.

 

[ngel]

Alright so I have the Tarpon site within listening range, the P25 and 900mhz system. I am still getting normal traffic on the 900mhz site, however you can tell the users are probably being patched to the new system as the voices sound digitized. I can hear the P25 TDMA control channel however nothing decodes in DSD nor Unitrunker. It seems from posts on here that others are able to use both programs on this system. How do I get the most recent versions of those programs that follow the P25 TDMA control channels? I went to both websites but neither have any updated info on their releases.

 

[mtindor]

Alright so I have the Tarpon site within listening range, the P25 and 900mhz system. I am still getting normal traffic on the 900mhz site, however you can tell the users are probably being patched to the new system as the voices sound digitized. I can hear the P25 TDMA control channel however nothing decodes in DSD nor Unitrunker. It seems from posts on here that others are able to use both programs on this system. How do I get the most recent versions of those programs that follow the P25 TDMA control channels? I went to both websites but neither have any updated info on their releases.

From the DSDPlus.txt file:

DSD+ Fast Lane
--------------

Early access to features is being offered through the DSD+ Fast Lane program.

Fast Lane updates are expected to be released about once per month.

Some Fast Lane updates WILL have issues/bugs.  That is the nature of alpha software.

Fully tested public releases will continue to be released, approximately every 6 months.


In light of the extra workload the Fast Lane program will create,
the DSD+ team is asking Fast Laners for:

  US$10 for one year of Fast Lane updates

  US$25 for unlimited Fast Lane updates

Donations above these amounts are welcomed, but it's up to you.
We're not looking to get rich here.  Funds will be used for things like
needed hardware upgrades.

Funds can be sent our Paypal account (dsdplusfastlane@gmail.com)

Please include a comment that specifies the email address that
your Fast Lane updates should be sent to.

NOTE: IF YOU DO NOT INCLUDE A COMMENT, PAYPAL DOES NOT SEND US A NOTIFICATION.
      THIS *WILL* DELAY YOUR FIRST FAST LANE UPDATE.

And if you do try to get the Fast Lane version of DSDPlus, you might have to wait a couple of days (it is the holiday season) and the new version will be sent to the email address used in your Paypal. And you'll want to make sure and check that email address spam folder periodically if you get nothing from dsdplusfastlane@gmail.com in your Inbox after a couple of days.

 

[scannerboy02]

Just an update on talk groups seen in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.

WACN_ID	SYS_ID	TG_ID
91F14	201	62001
91F14	201	62004
91F14	201	62014
91F14	201	62016
91F14	201	62503
91F14	201	62562
91F14	201	62578
91F14	201	62579
91F14	201	62594
91F14	201	62595
91F14	201	62597
91F14	201	62601
91F14	201	62603
91F14	201	62613
91F14	201	62633
91F14	201	62659
91F14	201	62662
91F14	201	62664
91F14	201	62666
91F14	201	62674
91F14	201	62675
91F14	201	62676
91F14	201	62677
91F14	201	62678
91F14	201	62680
91F14	201	62709
91F14	201	62720
91F14	201	62722
91F14	201	62786
91F14	201	62788
91F14	201	62790
91F14	201	62801
91F14	201	64206
91F14	201	64211
91F14	201	64216
91F14	201	64835
91F14	201	64855
91F14	201	64856

 

[lwvmobile]

Just an update on talk groups seen in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.

Do they stay busy on the radio in a large metro city like Cincinnati? Here in the rural areas of North FL, I can monitor the channel all day and get literally zero voice traffic, enc or clear, on the new sytem, or the old SmartZone, I'm not even sure which one locals crews are currently. Also worth mentioning though they don't have a local hub nearby, its 40 minute drive up the road to the local branch, so that could be why zero traffic, just the towers for when they are in the area doing repairs (which when inclement weather hits, they aren't in a hurry to get it done, they milk that OT)

 

[mtindor]

Just an update on talk groups seen in the Cincinnati, Ohio area.

WACN_ID	SYS_ID	TG_ID
91F14	201	62001
91F14	201	62004
91F14	201	62014
91F14	201	62016
91F14	201	62503
91F14	201	62562
91F14	201	62578
91F14	201	62579
91F14	201	62594
91F14	201	62595
91F14	201	62597
91F14	201	62601
91F14	201	62603
91F14	201	62613
91F14	201	62633
91F14	201	62659
91F14	201	62662
91F14	201	62664
91F14	201	62666
91F14	201	62674
91F14	201	62675
91F14	201	62676
91F14	201	62677
91F14	201	62678
91F14	201	62680
91F14	201	62709
91F14	201	62720
91F14	201	62722
91F14	201	62786
91F14	201	62788
91F14	201	62790
91F14	201	62801
91F14	201	64206
91F14	201	64211
91F14	201	64216
91F14	201	64835
91F14	201	64855
91F14	201	64856

The wiki is the perfect place for those.

 

[scannerboy02]

Do they stay busy on the radio in a large metro city like Cincinnati? Here in the rural areas of North FL, I can monitor the channel all day and get literally zero voice traffic, enc or clear, on the new sytem, or the old SmartZone, I'm not even sure which one locals crews are currently. Also worth mentioning though they don't have a local hub nearby, its 40 minute drive up the road to the local branch, so that could be why zero traffic, just the towers for when they are in the area doing repairs (which when inclement weather hits, they aren't in a hurry to get it done, they milk that OT)

Yes, the new system is fairly busy here. I believe they are fully transitioned to it here.

 

[RaleighGuy]

From FCC files.

 

[Iknowradios]

Is anyone using a BTT device on this system? I see in the post below they are supposed to work on TDMA CC systems.

No problem. You obviously don't pay attention to the progression of this. The P25RX and P25RX-II were decoding audio from these systems before anyone else had a chance. I guess I have to go dig it up now. I knew you ****ers would do this.

 

[mtindor]

Is anyone using a BTT device on this system? I see in the post below they are supposed to work on TDMA CC systems.

Of course. The proof of that is in what you just quoted. BTT devices work perfectly fine. But, I'm pretty sure Duke is 100% encrypted. So before you go buying anything, make sure the talkgroups you want to monitor aren't encrypted.

 

[Iknowradios]

Of course. The proof of that is in what you just quoted. BTT devices work perfectly fine. But, I'm pretty sure Duke is 100% encrypted. So before you go buying anything, make sure the talkgroups you want to monitor aren't encrypted.

I understand that. I was just curious if any users in the wild have one up and running. But I guess it’s no big deal since they are 100% encrypted. ☹️

 

[mtindor]

I understand that. I was just curious if any users in the wild have one up and running. But I guess it’s no big deal since they are 100% encrypted. ☹️

A bunch have BTT stuff running on AEP P25 system -- which was the first [known] system to use the TDMA CC -- and the system which was used by BTT and others to add TDMA CC support to their products. So there are plenty of people running BTT on AEP P25 that can vouch for its ability to handle TDMA CC.

 

[Iknowradios]

A bunch have BTT stuff running on AEP P25 system -- which was the first [known] system to use the TDMA CC -- and the system which was used by BTT and others to add TDMA CC support to their products. So there are plenty of people running BTT on AEP P25 that can vouch for its ability to handle TDMA CC.

Thanks!