East Palestine Ohio PD frequency? train derailment

[Lbz7]

I was monitoring them the our county sheriff's department and post The first night of the train derailment they didn't want any press near that place.. I think we should make a class action lawsuit against encryption.. it was terrible with the national guard and law enforcement agencies did in this county.. I understand there has to be order in times like this.. but what I seen reminds me of the '60s with the national guard at Kent State.. major in the national guard in Ohio needs to removed from his duty.. He does not have the temperament to be there.. if people would take it serious in this county sheriff is elected official it should be voted out of office... I don't care what political party he's in.. sheriff's department was not professional at all.

 

[RaleighGuy]

... it was terrible with the national guard and law enforcement agencies did in this county.. I understand there has to be order in times like this.. but what I seen reminds me of the '60s with the national guard at Kent State.. major in the national guard in Ohio needs to removed from his duty...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1624169534364999691

 

[maus92]

OT: I heard that press conference yesterday, with the spokesman basically referring reporters back to the Ohio NG. The governor appoints the Adjutant General and serves at his pleasure, so I guess it's in Dewine's court now.

 

[speedway_navigator]

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Documents/East%20Palestine%20Ohio%20Board%20Meeting%20Summary%20with%20Amendments.pdf

"Further, the emergency response lacked efficient
coordination because the responding agencies did not have common radio channels."

Does anybody know if they had MARCS channels but did not use them?

 

[kf8yk]

"Further, the emergency response lacked efficient
coordination because the responding agencies did not have common radio channels."

I think this statement is due to the EPFD fire chiefs testimony, starting on page 66: https://data.ntsb.gov/Docket/Docume...S Investigative Hearing.06-22-23.Day1-Rel.pdf

 

[tweiss3]

https://www.ntsb.gov/investigations/Documents/East%20Palestine%20Ohio%20Board%20Meeting%20Summary%20with%20Amendments.pdf

"Further, the emergency response lacked efficient
coordination because the responding agencies did not have common radio channels."

Does anybody know if they had MARCS channels but did not use them?

Marcs personnel delivered a temporary site and stash of radios.

Edit: This was after the crash (next day I believe), and after the VFD and PD responded, thus Hazmat response and VFD likely did have issues talking before MARCS showed up.

 

[n3obl]

One big issue is East Palestine is right up against the pa border. The derail was 1/2 mile from the pa line. Most pa units in that area do not have radios that work on Marcs. Beaver county Pa is vhf analog

 

[W8UU]

One big issue is East Palestine is right up against the pa border. The derail was 1/2 mile from the pa line. Most pa units in that area do not have radios that work on Marcs. Beaver county Pa is vhf analog

Point well taken. There is no real interoperability on a national level. Ohio uses 700/800 MHz, West Virginia and Kentucky use 450 MHz for their statewide systems. And there are cities and counties that operate on their legacy analog systems because they still work and it's too expensive to hop on the state or regional trunked system. Can we all agree the idea of interoperability, supposedly borne out of the 9-11-2001 attack on the United States and well intentioned as it may be, was primarily a gazillion dollar gift to Motorola. New York City and Washington DC, two primary targets in 9-11 are still not fully interoperable. The California Highway Patrol still uses low band. The Feds don't play with anyone. You think that would be an issue in any major city. East Palestine did everything they could with what they had, just like every other jurisdiction in rural America.

 

[RandyKuff]

Point well taken. There is no real interoperability on a national level. Ohio uses 700/800 MHz, West Virginia and Kentucky use 450 MHz for their statewide systems. And there are cities and counties that operate on their legacy analog systems because they still work and it's too expensive to hop on the state or regional trunked system. Can we all agree the idea of interoperability, supposedly borne out of the 9-11-2001 attack on the United States and well intentioned as it may be, was primarily a gazillion dollar gift to Motorola. New York City and Washington DC, two primary targets in 9-11 are still not fully interoperable. The California Highway Patrol still uses low band. The Feds don't play with anyone. You think that would be an issue in any major city. East Palestine did everything they could with what they had, just like every other jurisdiction in rural America.

Don't know if any of this would come into play...

National Interoperability (United States) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference for National Interoperability (United States)

www.radioreference.com

 

[n3obl]

Don't know if any of this would come into play...

National Interoperability (United States) Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference for National Interoperability (United States)

www.radioreference.com

If they would be programmed into the radios and users knew how to access them..

I’ve seen many agencies not have interop channels in them. And majority of public safety people know how to turn on radio and select between a few channels as needed. God forbid switch zones.

 

[speedway_navigator]

The technology exists, seems to be a training or planning issue.
"This always happens somewhere else" is a quote I see from community members after a school shooting.

I see references to a unified command so that could have been the human version of a JPS patch.

I also found this statement interesting.
"green foam not -- we're not using the pee fast stuff that we had."

 

[wd8chl]

Yeah, it's not only a training issue, but a political one. They all complain about interoperability, but they also insist on having their own channels, and many refuse to allow others to have their channels in their radios. Then they go off on to some other system that no one else has or can get to. Then you get a few that go encrypted.
I really think they've all been watching too much TV and expect to just be able to hit the mic button and have it talk to whoever they intend to talk to, anywhere in the world, without them having to do anything but think it.
It's all so stupid.

 

[W8UU]

Yeah, it's not only a training issue, but a political one. They all complain about interoperability, but they also insist on having their own channels, and many refuse to allow others to have their channels in their radios. Then they go off on to some other system that no one else has or can get to. Then you get a few that go encrypted.
I really think they've all been watching too much TV and expect to just be able to hit the mic button and have it talk to whoever they intend to talk to, anywhere in the world, without them having to do anything but think it.
It's all so stupid.

Agree 100%. If you want to build a truly interoperable public safety communications system, it needs to be nationwide and on the same frequency band. It should also be Federally funded, including end user radio equipment. If you can't do that, then sit down and shut up.

Encryption is fine for certain purposes but everyone should have access to common frequencies. The Feds should be involved. You can keep whatever you want on your legacy radio systems but you'll do that at your own expense and you must have nationwide interoperable radios in your fleet and fully operational.

And for God's sake, make the radios easier to operate. A lot of end users get lost after you teach them "push to talk" and "volume", especially in an emergency situation. If you don't think this is possible, just remember our cell phone network does this every day. Just dial the number. Your phone and the tower know everything else that needs to happen.

Sorry for the thread jack.

 

[chrismol1]

Did they really have issues with agencies just across their border? You don't have to go crazy but someone has to make it happen. Agencies that have the ability to respond as mutual aid shouldn't have issues. I am where 3 counties are adjacent to 2 states. The FD that has VHF has the adjacent counties 800 radio. The 800 system FDs have VHF radio for out of county/state mutual aid response and comm centers can patch if there are other issues. They make it work because of mutual aid planning. By the time mass incidents like this happen, I'd think they'd arrive and have command post setup to deal with arriving extra out of town agencies. Command posts in my area have all the area freqs and interoperability from low band to 800. Chiefs vehicles have multiple radios. There really should never be issues in this day and age, eventually should trickle down as needed

 

[phask]

OHIO - where millions $$$$$ have been invested in MARCS and it takes several minutes to setup a patch so the local Sheriff can talk to OSP. Even though there are multiple interop and pursuit TG's.

I heard a certain post OSP that couldn't talk to another post just yesterday. Adjoining areas.

 

[wd8chl]

OHIO - where millions $$$$$ have been invested in MARCS and it takes several minutes to setup a patch so the local Sheriff can talk to OSP. Even though there are multiple interop and pursuit TG's.

I heard a certain post OSP that couldn't talk to another post just yesterday. Adjoining areas.

Again, because they don't understand changing channels. They want the radio to automatically change channels for them, based on their thought waves...like Star Trek...

 

[wmlovell]

Again, because they don't understand changing channels. They want the radio to automatically change channels for them, based on their thought waves...like Star Trek...

Wait, these radios don't have Siri?

 

[kf8yk]

Wait, these radios don't have Siri?

They do now:

https://www.motorolasolutions.com/content/dam/msi/images/products/apx-next/apx-next-story/assets-models/assets/documents/apx-next-viqi-voice-control-fact-sheet.pdf

 

[wd8chl]

They do now:

https://www.motorolasolutions.com/content/dam/msi/images/products/apx-next/apx-next-story/assets-models/assets/documents/apx-next-viqi-voice-control-fact-sheet.pdf

Good luck with that! I've never had voice recognition work reliably. Plus I've heard some bad things about the durability of the radios involved. It's basically a smart phone, and isn't much more rugged than that...that's what I've been told by some that have gotten them.