Future SDS Firmware to include waterfall option .

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Those such as the annoying, constant up and down fluctuating RSSI Levels that I constantly see & experience each & every Day on my Uniden SDS200. Mine will start out with low RSSI Levels around 92 only in the Mornings. However, It never stays low or even stays at a constant or steady RSSI Level as the Days get later.
The RSSI levels are telling you how good or bad the signal is received. The sun effects radio signals, so in the morning, good signal and at the peak of the day when the suns radiation is effecting the signal, lower signal. Not a fault with the radio, its nature and the way radiation effects signals.
 

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Hopefully these types of reported/known issues will be looked into, fixed & greatly improved with upcoming future Firmware Updates for the Uniden SDS Models & not just a focus & Feature of the new Waterfall Option?
There's no solution to it as it is hardware related. It's a 85 cent chip used as a receiver in SDS scanners that are not really suitable to be used with the dynamically different signal levels involved with scanner use. It's designed to handle a static level signal from a sat dish or terrestrial TV antenna and not a constant signal level change when scanning different systems as its dynamic range capability are limited.

If Uniden would have kept the receiver design from 436/536 and just added the receiver chip to do the last IF handling to get simulcast capability it would had been a perfect solution and one hell of a scanner, and by going from Upmans reactions it might had been his initial intention. But Uniden management looked at profit as it was much cheaper to produce a one chip receiver design, instead of the conventional one with hundreds of more costly discrete components that also takes much longer time to produce in the factory, but still kept the initial planned high retail price as there where no competitors.

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I'm just hoping for the return of the keylock since it didn't make it from the BCD436 to the SDS100. After all, the [FUNC]+[PWR] key sequence is available since it doesn't do anything now.
 

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If Uniden would have kept the receiver design from 436/536 and just added the receiver chip to do the last IF handling to get simulcast capability it would had been a perfect solution and one hell of a scanner...

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@Ubbe - Do you have any real-world experience developing Software Defined Radios for the consumer market? I am no expert in the field, but I have always believed the benefits of a SDR is the cost-effectiveness. I recognize there are tradeoffs of a dedicated hardware design versus the costs of software development. Your thoughts?
 

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Your thoughts?
If you have a base of a really good SDR receiver, like in a Icom 8600, then all things are possible to do in software. But the Icom costs $2500 and it has just basic receive functions, and that cost would be too much for scanner users. You can save a lot of production cost using SDR technology, like Uniden did with the SDS series, and copy features and functions from the firmware of their older scanners without doing much more development than handling the DSP code and SDR frequency handling, but then Uniden jacked up the price instead of lowering it as the market for simulcast scanners are what it is, just a single contender in the boxing ring.

Software development are almost a one time thing, and if you have 80% of the code already in place from other products you can then produce thousands and thousands of cheap SDR hardware and the cost for those 20% of software development are spread out to each product and the more you produce the less the software costs that gets added to each product leaving the factory.

It's the same cost saving politics with the new CDN scanners, take the hardware they already have developed and have the factory line built for to produce their other scanners and add a crippled firmware they already have developed in other scanners that are already paid for and only do minor modifications to it. They could sell those CDN scanners at a really low budget price and still make a good profit.

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I would rather see D Star and C4FM support in the new FW for SDS/X36 scanners instead of the waterfall function, or at least conventional TETRA (also for an additional fee).
Then I'd rather have a hot dog heater, when fw support is only for passive listeners, for whom the database is enough to download, and not for scannerists who actively search and analyze networks !!!
 
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From a marketing aspect, this is brilliant. Normally after a period of time sales start to drop off, this could revitalize sales at a time they normally start to decline.
Yes, but I'm starting to get the feeling that this could be an option you might have to pay for.
 

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UPMan discussed the TETRA issue some time ago. Not enough market for it to make it financially viable for US market scanners.

I would rather see D Star and C4FM support in the new FW for SDS/X36 scanners instead of the waterfall function, or at least conventional TETRA (also for an additional fee).
Then I'd rather have a hot dog heater, when fw support is only for passive listeners, for whom the database is enough to download, and not for scannerists who actively search and analyze networks !!!
 
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Yes, but I'm starting to get the feeling that this could be an option you might have to pay for.
Gosh, I hope not. I did access the demo via ProScan and even though I wasn't able to do anything with it, it seemed rather small and of questionable use to my old eyes, so I doubt it'll be something I'd pay for as I can already do that sort of thing with the SDR hooked up to my PC on a much larger screen. Of course I only speak for myself, others may think differently.
 

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Is this going to be a paid upgrade?
such as the DMR or NXDN upgrades?
There has been nothing to indicate that from Uniden.... the only mention of that was pure speculation by the poster in post #50.
 

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I did access the demo via ProScan and even though I wasn't able to do anything with it, it seemed rather small and of questionable use to my old eyes,

You can't do anything with the demo because it's just that.... a non functioning demo.

joebearcat indicated that the final product would be much more than what the demo shows now:

 

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The waterfall will be ON the screen of the SDS100/200.

Initially, yes. There is a possibility that PC support may be developed later. That is not expected to be part of the initial release.
 

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The fact that the tuning knob on the SDS200 is on the left-hand side of the unit, means that the majority of right-handed folks, would end up blocking the display with their right hand while attempting use of the tuning dial.

I actually made that exact point when I saw the first concept images of the SDS200 (or maybe it was the 536 development when I made that comment). I made the same point - that most people are right handed and most vehicle installs are on the right of the operator. Hence, the hand blocks the display.
 

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I'm just hoping for the return of the keylock since it didn't make it from the BCD436 to the SDS100. After all, the [FUNC]+[PWR] key sequence is available since it doesn't do anything now.

Actually, it did make it in beta but was removed. I'm pushing for it to return - even as just an undocumented feature. And that sequence is exactly how it was used. And as you noted, that is still available.
 
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