Harris Unity / XG-100P Programming

[Harry7045]

No one will share the PRS file for XG-100P to view the trunk settings?

 

[Forts]

Well then, to be frank, something is programmed incorrectly. This is why I always suggest people use something like a Unication G5 as a receiver vs a subscriber radio.

 

[Harry7045]

Hello! Tell me what the table of identifiers p25 should be for UHF?

 

[motorcoachdoug]

Harry7045 have you done any type of radio programming at all? Do you know about Astro Band Plan? I totally recommend when a person starts out with no experience working with programming for a conventional system and or trunking is do some research first here and there are other forms you can google and learn from first. If you program a public safety grade radio and it is not programmed like it should be, YOU could end up causing someone to get hurt and or lose their lives as the radio is their lifeline for help. Please do some reading and try to find a person who is in your local area to talk to and learn from first. Once you have a general idea on how programming works then mabe go the scanner route first to see how things are done and listen to the scanner and or unification pager. You do not just jump into using a public safety grade unit unless you have the building blocks foundation. Do you know why some counties use motorola and or why they use Harris and or some other public safety grade units? what is your county using and your state what systems are those? Are they motorola or Harris? Do you know what WACN means? Please do your homework first . Thank you

 

[northstarfire0693]

Hello! Tell me what the table of identifiers p25 should be for UHF?

You have so much to learn my friend. The table is system dependent, it also depends on what type of system. Harris,Motorola, P1 or P2. Do some research and get with someone in your local area who has experience with radios. It sounds to me that your radio is not programed correctly, stop now and seek help.

 

[Harry7045]

Dear motorcoachdoug! I have been engaged in amateur radio for more than 30 years, I have the 2nd category of amateur radio and an amateur radio call sign. I have more than 20 units of professional Motorola radios to work in digital standards P25, mototrbo tetra. Everything works perfectly, including in trunk networks of Public security. Narris XG-100 is the only radio station in the park of my radio stations. Since its acquisition, I have independently programmed it from scratch to work in conv. Analog and digital channels p25, trying to program it to listen to the trunk network P 25 Motorola. Unlike Motorola, there is very little information about Harris programming, and therefore difficulties arise. Of course, it is always easier to reason than to provide practical assistance and arrange an exam on the knowledge of the names of codes and identifiers. If you can't help, it's better to keep silent.

 

[Harry7045]

In Motorola it looks like this

 

[northstarfire0693]

View attachment 149483
In Motorola it looks like this

What system are you trying to monitor. That table doesn't look right to me.

I have included an IDEN table from a military system in my area.

 

[Harry7045]

WAСN- system identifier, for Motorola its value is BEE00, NAC, Sys, Site network identifiers P25
Information about this is in the help

 

[K2NEC]

Quite frankly it doesn't matter how long you have been in ham radio for. LMR Trunking is a very different animal than conventional analog or digital, especially when it comes to Harris programming.

 

[TDR-94]

Is that the Russian equivalent of RPM?

 

[Harry7045]

It contains a lot of useful information on p25, including about identifiers Project 25 (P25) - Signal Identification Wiki

 

[AF1UD]

You'll find it's the same but with different words/terminology.

 

[clavo2]

No RPM2 will program the Harris XG100M mobile but not the portable at all. The last version of RPM that is out in the wild is RPM14c05 and you need the 2 .DLL files that go with it in order to open it up you might say. Plus you need to also know what 3 boxes to check and or uncheck so you DO NOT AFFILIATE to any trunking system at all. Plus chances are wideband will be disabled on UHF and you will need a very good reason for Harris to give you a feature string to activate it, no i want to use the radio for ham or GMR use will do, but you can program wideband on vhf.

This isn't to motocoachdoug... just piggybacking on this thread, and this is why people puff up their chests about their programming (typing numbers into a form really - is it really 'programming'?). Anyways, 20+ Years of 'programming' experience here with all the other brands. Those that know me and know my collection and experience know I'm not full of BS. When I got into LPE-200, P7200, and Unity. They have their quirks. Sharing a plug (fill it with bogus freq data, but correct selections.... Or a guide... seems to make more sense then leaving someone guessing what magic 3 boxes they have to click to not break the law and have affiliation issues. Some of you should really rethink your replies.

-c

 

[BMDaug]

This isn't to motocoachdoug... just piggybacking on this thread, and this is why people puff up their chests about their programming (typing numbers into a form really - is it really 'programming'?). Anyways, 20+ Years of 'programming' experience here with all the other brands. Those that know me and know my collection and experience know I'm not full of BS. When I got into LPE-200, P7200, and Unity. They have their quirks. Sharing a plug (fill it with bogus freq data, but correct selections.... Or a guide... seems to make more sense then leaving someone guessing what magic 3 boxes they have to click to not break the law and have affiliation issues. Some of you should really rethink your replies.

-c

There is a guide… I think the pdf is attached to multiple threads in this very forum. Part of the title of the doc is ‘Ghost Radio’, so perhaps you can search for that. I’d attach it now, but I’m replying from my phone and it would take a bit to locate it. If you really need it, remind me via PM and I’ll locate it when convenient…

The Harris world has always been a bit more mysterious and elusive than say, /\/\… Also, the ease of hacking RPM and the added ability to easily scan trunked systems without registering has damaged the Harris reputation, at least in my state… I have a very legitimate reason to get my personal radios on the system for work I do with SAR. There is a process for personal radio authorization and the XG100M and XL200P are on the list, but the admins told me that it’s too easy for someone to get hacked software, clone an ID and program the radio without a system key, so my radios can’t be an asset to my organization because of people talking about how to exploit the software (which I paid $700 for), which I certainly don’t appreciate…

So, it’s not necessarily an ego thing or “puffing up”, it’s that legitimate operations are disrupted by hobbyists dicking around with stuff they know nothing about and education can be a liability, both personally and professionally. People that know a lot simply don’t want to give out info that could cause harmful interference, potentially putting lives at risk, when you can buy a scanner or get a $35 RTLSDR and SDRTrunk and hear the same traffic.

Not trying to be a prick and not defending anyone else’s post… just trying to share my perspective on the matter. Take it or leave it.

-B

 

[BMDaug]

Actually… here… all information NOT specifically defined in this document is system specific and is therefore beyond the scope of the document. RadioReference can provide you with all system specific parameters and the RPM help menu can explain where to enter those parameters.

Part of the issue with this thread is the quality of the questions being asked… the quality of the question will usually dictate the quality of the answer on this site. A potential language barrier has nothing to do with it, so please avoid this rebuttal. There are questions which imply basic understanding and questions which imply total ignorance…

-B

 

[redbeard]

the admins told me that it’s too easy for someone to get hacked software, clone an ID and program the radio without a system key

This continues to crack me up. They must be getting some kickbacks or drank the Moto kool-aid to really think that Harris is less secure. Skeygen, Depot, ASK removal, radio firmware... the entire suite of Moto IP has been 0wned for a long time.

Also the line they are giving you doesn't even make any logical sense. They don't allow Harris legitimately because anyone could illegitimately add a radio to the system? Such folks wouldn't require permission then, would they? And how does that equate to you and your radio being a risk?

Hopefully the lot you deal with currently will retire or move on and you can talk some sense in to the new admins.

 

[clavo2]

There is a guide… I think the pdf is attached to multiple threads in this very forum. Part of the title of the doc is ‘Ghost Radio’, so perhaps you can search for that. I’d attach it now, but I’m replying from my phone and it would take a bit to locate it. If you really need it, remind me via PM and I’ll locate it when convenient…

The Harris world has always been a bit more mysterious and elusive than say, /\/\… Also, the ease of hacking RPM and the added ability to easily scan trunked systems without registering has damaged the Harris reputation, at least in my state… I have a very legitimate reason to get my personal radios on the system for work I do with SAR. There is a process for personal radio authorization and the XG100M and XL200P are on the list, but the admins told me that it’s too easy for someone to get hacked software, clone an ID and program the radio without a system key, so my radios can’t be an asset to my organization because of people talking about how to exploit the software (which I paid $700 for), which I certainly don’t appreciate…

So, it’s not necessarily an ego thing or “puffing up”, it’s that legitimate operations are disrupted by hobbyists dicking around with stuff they know nothing about and education can be a liability, both personally and professionally. People that know a lot simply don’t want to give out info that could cause harmful interference, potentially putting lives at risk, when you can buy a scanner or get a $35 RTLSDR and SDRTrunk and hear the same traffic.

Not trying to be a prick and not defending anyone else’s post… just trying to share my perspective on the matter. Take it or leave it.

-B

Interesting. Well it is all a money game, so it doesn't surprise me. My first thought: 'Ghost radio' = scanner. Laugh. With miss /\/\ screwing up damn near everything, progressively over the last 15 years, it's not surprising there isn't more dick tapping battles going on. Can't help but think about Thales, who basically give the secondary market everything for the 25. Had lots of great conversations over the years with a few people there.

Sorry you had to pay for software and some others got it for free. Trying to remember the first radio I programmed, but a GP300 comes to mind as one of the early ones. Didn't have to pay for that RSS. Now a days you are buying a radio and a subscription to be able to use it. I call BS on that.

github sdrtrunk and a $10 RTL SDR does the same thing for Rx
Grew up in Chicago.... listened to CPD for probably 10+ years.... Don't remember a single rogue jammer or interference. All it would have taken was basically any ham radio with a mars/cap mod for Tx
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t’s that legitimate operations are disrupted by hobbyists dicking around with stuff they know nothing about and education can be a liability, both personally and professionally. People that know a lot simply don’t want to give out info that could cause harmful interference, potentially putting lives at risk, when you can buy a scanner or get a $35 RTLSDR and SDRTrunk and hear the same traffic.

I agree 100%. All the more reason to help people out so they don't.

If an agency wants that much privacy. Encrypt. Done deal.
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-c

 

[prcguy]

Interesting. Well it is all a money game, so it doesn't surprise me. My first thought: 'Ghost radio' = scanner. Laugh. With miss /\/\ screwing up damn near everything, progressively over the last 15 years, it's not surprising there isn't more dick tapping battles going on. Can't help but think about Thales, who basically give the secondary market everything for the 25. Had lots of great conversations over the years with a few people there.

Sorry you had to pay for software and some others got it for free. Trying to remember the first radio I programmed, but a GP300 comes to mind as one of the early ones. Didn't have to pay for that RSS. Now a days you are buying a radio and a subscription to be able to use it. I call BS on that.

github sdrtrunk and a $10 RTL SDR does the same thing for Rx
Grew up in Chicago.... listened to CPD for probably 10+ years.... Don't remember a single rogue jammer or interference. All it would have taken was basically any ham radio with a mars/cap mod for Tx
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I agree 100%. All the more reason to help people out so they don't.

If an agency wants that much privacy. Encrypt. Done deal.
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-c

I had to laugh reading the Ghost Radio comment. Living in Kalifornia I wouldn't be surprised if this state someday outlaws Harris radios which can be programmed with hacked software. I can imagine a politician screaming "OMG people, these "Ghost Radios" can be used jam police radio calls or impersonate a police officer. We gotta outlaw these Ghost Radios before someone dies! We must ban them for the children!!!

And everyone votes and they are now contraband like everything else that was good.

 

[BMDaug]

This continues to crack me up. They must be getting some kickbacks or drank the Moto kool-aid to really think that Harris is less secure. Skeygen, Depot, ASK removal, radio firmware... the entire suite of Moto IP has been 0wned for a long time.

Also the line they are giving you doesn't even make any logical sense. They don't allow Harris legitimately because anyone could illegitimately add a radio to the system? Such folks wouldn't require permission then, would they? And how does that equate to you and your radio being a risk?

Hopefully the lot you deal with currently will retire or move on and you can talk some sense in to the new admins.

THANK YOU!!!!!

Yes, I agree! I even explained this to them in my reply, and attached the FCC notice of violation presented to one David Dean of the SAME STATE in which I am requesting access, who used /\/\ gear to clone IDs and program the radio without an ASK. My contact at the CCNC had previously added aseveral others to the email thread (like the sheriff, and dispatch comms director) when she denied my request. So when I replied back with my example, it made her look a bit silly…

You read my mind with the lack of logic argument… if you don’t want people to break the rules, help them follow them. To add insult to injury, the system is not capable of querying the ESN of a SU. There is no way to know what radio is actually in use, so as long as the ID is transferred from the broken radio to the new radio, nobody will ever know the radio was swapped without physical audit.

@clavo2 its not about the cost of RPM, it’s about the disruption of legitimate operations because of the distribution of illegitimate software. The cost of the software has paid for itself in dealer relations and in other, sometimes lucrative ways.

It’s not about privacy… it’s about ID cloning, combined with registration to the system, which puts a radio on potentially two sites at once, which can disrupt comms between the system and the legitimate SU. Encryption solves a completely different problem. Now, LLA and LLE would be a solution, but implementing that on such a large mission critical system without disrupting service would be… daunting.

SDRTrunk is actually much better than an old, repurposed SU so far as hearing traffic… you can hear multiple TGs at once, you can record each TG to an audio file, and you have a time-stamped log entry with each LID and the duration of their traffic and so on.

Anyway, I posted the guide and I’m not sure what additional assistance anyone would expect in this sub-forum. The rest of the info for getting a radio set up will come from the database on this site and the RPM help system. Oh, and if you have issues with a particular system, try the regional discussion forums on this site.

-B