Harris Unity / XG-100P Programming

[NavyBOFH]

This continues to crack me up. They must be getting some kickbacks or drank the Moto kool-aid to really think that Harris is less secure. Skeygen, Depot, ASK removal, radio firmware... the entire suite of Moto IP has been 0wned for a long time.

Also the line they are giving you doesn't even make any logical sense. They don't allow Harris legitimately because anyone could illegitimately add a radio to the system? Such folks wouldn't require permission then, would they? And how does that equate to you and your radio being a risk?

Hopefully the lot you deal with currently will retire or move on and you can talk some sense in to the new admins.

The entire suite of Motorola stuff has been *stolen* for a long time. I know for a fact Harris has plenty of internal software that can be leaked just the same - but hasn't. The only difference? Morals.

 

[clavo2]

I had to laugh reading the Ghost Radio comment. Living in Kalifornia I wouldn't be surprised if this state someday outlaws Harris radios which can be programmed with hacked software. I can imagine a politician screaming "OMG people, these "Ghost Radios" can be used jam police radio calls or impersonate a police officer. We gotta outlaw these Ghost Radios before someone dies! We must ban them for the children!!!

And everyone votes and they are now contraband like everything else that was good.

News at 11, "After the commercial break, a disturbing story about a shady local business that was raided by heavily armed FCC agents today for creating Ghost Radios. Agents were seen leaving with electronics and 3D printers...."

 

[BMDaug]

News at 11, "After the commercial break, a disturbing story about a shady local business that was raided by heavily armed FCC agents today for creating Ghost Radios. Agents were seen leaving with electronics and 3D printers...."

Ya I didn’t write the guide, so I have no idea how that became colloquium!!!

-B

 

[clavo2]

THANK YOU!!!!!

Yes, I agree! I even explained this to them in my reply, and attached the FCC notice of violation presented to one David Dean of the SAME STATE in which I am requesting access, who used /\/\ gear to clone IDs and program the radio without an ASK. My contact at the CCNC had previously added aseveral others to the email thread (like the sheriff, and dispatch comms director) when she denied my request. So when I replied back with my example, it made her look a bit silly…

You read my mind with the lack of logic argument… if you don’t want people to break the rules, help them follow them. To add insult to injury, the system is not capable of querying the ESN of a SU. There is no way to know what radio is actually in use, so as long as the ID is transferred from the broken radio to the new radio, nobody will ever know the radio was swapped without physical audit.

@clavo2 its not about the cost of RPM, it’s about the disruption of legitimate operations because of the distribution of illegitimate software. The cost of the software has paid for itself in dealer relations and in other, sometimes lucrative ways.

It’s not about privacy… it’s about ID cloning, combined with registration to the system, which puts a radio on potentially two sites at once, which can disrupt comms between the system and the legitimate SU. Encryption solves a completely different problem. Now, LLA and LLE would be a solution, but implementing that on such a large mission critical system without disrupting service would be… daunting.

SDRTrunk is actually much better than an old, repurposed SU so far as hearing traffic… you can hear multiple TGs at once, you can record each TG to an audio file, and you have a time-stamped log entry with each LID and the duration of their traffic and so on.

Anyway, I posted the guide and I’m not sure what additional assistance anyone would expect in this sub-forum. The rest of the info for getting a radio set up will come from the database on this site and the RPM help system. Oh, and if you have issues with a particular system, try the regional discussion forums on this site.

-B

Oh ya, thanks for the guide BTW, I don't spend a lot of time in the forums to notice everything. Whoever hacked the software should have just added that to the Help File right at the top. Not Joking. But laughing.

as to SDR Trunk, give it 2 or 3 RTLs and wow. $30 and you blow away a $800 scanner. Wonder if anyone will ever fork it and add a sexier GUI and themes. Maybe a Hello Kitty one.... we need more young females into radio. Someone really need to take on making pink 3D printed Ghost Radios too... Like all the made in china rainbow of color replacement radio shells you can get for the newer radios portables on ebay. I don't remember seeing public-safety-pink.

*laugh*

The entire suite of Motorola stuff has been *stolen* for a long time. I know for a fact Harris has plenty of internal software that can be leaked just the same - but hasn't. The only difference? Morals.

Seen full sets of CDs for Harris PRC-xxx on ebay... just the same as /\/\. Sadly everything but what I need for my 310HH. And don't get me started on all the very modern stuff on there now being sold from Ukraine. I assume all the stuff we left in Afghanistan are being put to good use. Get them goats to move real easy with the whack of a lowband tape whip.

 

[TDR-94]

I know for a fact Harris has plenty of internal software that can be leaked just the same - but hasn't. The only difference? Morals.

This kinda stuff gets out through a variety of means, including internally. Morals? I can assure you that "morals" are not the driving force with L3HARRIS. This is in no way to say that everyone at L3HARRIS is immoral, but I can tell you of incidents, here locally, with L3HARRIS employees, that would make your head spin.

I'll give you just one example. There was one particular long time engineer who had a bad crack habit, who offered his services to a local drug dealer to modify some prototype equipment he had to track LEO vehicles. I've known several people who have worked for HARRIS, here locally, and they weren't left with a very positive, let alone a "moral" impression of the company.

 

[prcguy]

This kinda stuff gets out through a variety of means, including internally. Morals? I can assure you that "morals" are not the driving force with L3HARRIS. This is in no way to say that everyone at L3HARRIS is immoral, but I can tell you of incidents, here locally, with L3HARRIS employees, that would make your head spin.

I'll give you just one example. There was one particular long time engineer who had a bad crack habit, who offered his services to a local drug dealer to modify some prototype equipment he had to track LEO vehicles. I've known several people who have worked for HARRIS, here locally, and they weren't left with a very positive, let alone a "moral" impression of the company.

Crack or not, they sure do make nice radios and are probably the top military radio mfr on the planet right now.

 

[TDR-94]

Crack or not, they sure do make nice radios and are probably the top military radio mfr on the planet right now.

Don't tell Thales, Rhode Schwartz, Collins Aerospace, General Dynamics, Persistant Systems, Codan, Barret, Datron, Rafael, or Bittium that! Just to name a few

 

[prcguy]

Don't tell Thales, Rhode Schwartz, Collins Aerospace, General Dynamics, Persistant Systems, Codan, Barret, Datron, Rafael, or Bittium that! Just to name a few

Name a communications company that has a more diverse lineup of military radios and that currently has more radios in use on the battlefield than Harris.

 

[TDR-94]

Name a communications company that has a more diverse lineup of military radios and that currently has more radios in use on the battlefield than Harris.

Globally? What about THALES?

 

[prcguy]

Globally? What about THALES?

I am only seeing the MBITR series from Thales where I see more Harris PRC-152 types than MBITRs plus countless manpacks covering HF through 2GHz and vehicular setups and fixed station equipment. The XG-100P has lineage to some of these Harris multiband military radios.

 

[TDR-94]

I am only seeing the MBITR series from Thales where I see more Harris PRC-152 types than MBITRs plus countless manpacks covering HF through 2GHz and vehicular setups and fixed station equipment. The XG-100P has lineage to some of these Harris multiband military radios.

As per usual, both L3HARRIS and THALES make the claim of being a "world leader" in tactical communications.

Which THALES site are you looking at? There is the thalesdsi site and the thalesgroup site.

Here are a few links to the thalesgroup site. Some have different radio type subsections.

Land Tactical Radios
Full product range, highly scalable
HF 3000
F@stnet Product Family
F@STNET HD VHF Software Defined Radios

Naval Communications

Aeronautical Communications
V / UHF Software Defined Radio (SDR) and crypto device

And here are a few links to the thalesdsi site.

Dismounted Communications – Thales Defense & Security, Inc.
Mounted Communications – Thales Defense & Security, Inc.
ST@R Mille
PANTHER
HF Communications – Thales Defense & Security, Inc.

 

[wa8pyr]

As per usual, both L3HARRIS and THALES make the claim of being a "world leader" in tactical communications.

Folks, this thread has drifted awfully far from the topic. Let’s get it back on track.

 

[Fireman4815]

Harry7045 have you done any type of radio programming at all? Do you know about Astro Band Plan? I totally recommend when a person starts out with no experience working with programming for a conventional system and or trunking is do some research first here and there are other forms you can google and learn from first. If you program a public safety grade radio and it is not programmed like it should be, YOU could end up causing someone to get hurt and or lose their lives as the radio is their lifeline for help. Please do some reading and try to find a person who is in your local area to talk to and learn from first. Once you have a general idea on how programming works then mabe go the scanner route first to see how things are done and listen to the scanner and or unification pager. You do not just jump into using a public safety grade unit unless you have the building blocks foundation. Do you know why some counties use motorola and or why they use Harris and or some other public safety grade units? what is your county using and your state what systems are those? Are they motorola or Harris? Do you know what WACN means? Please do your homework first . Thank you

Pm me please motorcoachdoug!

 

[vin00011]

I am only seeing the MBITR series from Thales where I see more Harris PRC-152 types than MBITRs plus countless manpacks covering HF through 2GHz and vehicular setups and fixed station equipment. The XG-100P has lineage to some of these Harris multiband military radios.

What about Thales Synaps ? SYNAPS

 

[prcguy]

What about Thales Synaps ? SYNAPS

I was talking about what I see in the news, in magazines, etc, Harris mil radios are the most dominant and by a large margin. I didn't say Thales doesn't have other products, its just Harris is everywhere and all the other brands are just not as visible.