Help finding Philadelphia police radio frequencies.

[ryantheryguy]

Hi there my name is RYAN and I was wondering if I can have help finding some frequencies for the following talk group id numbers. I’m unaware of what the frequency would be for the talk group.
They are from the Philadelphia area police departments.

237	0ed	D	PFD North Fire	North Fire Dispatch	Fire Dispatch
239	0ef	D	PFD South Fire	South Fire Dispatch	Fire Dispatch
241	0f1	D	PFD North Medic	North EMS Dispatch (North Medic)	EMS Dispatch
235	0eb	D	PFD Cent Medic	Central EMS Dispatch (Central Medic)	EMS Dispatch
243	0f3	D	PFD South Medic	South EMS Dispatch (South Medic)	EMS Dispatch
253	0fd	DE	PFD North Tac 1	North Fire and EMS Tactical 1	Fire-Tac
255	0ff	DE	PFD North Tac 2	North Fire and EMS Tactical 2	Fire-Tac
257	101	DE	PFD North Tac 3	North Fire and EMS Tactical 3	Fire-Tac
245	0f5	DE	PFD South Tac 1	South Fire and EMS Tactical 1	Fire-Tac
247	0f7	DE	PFD South Tac 2	South Fire and EMS Tactical 2	Fire-Tac
249	0f9	DE	PFD South Tac 3	South Fire and EMS Tactical 3	Fire-Tac

08b	D	PPD 6th Tac	6th District Tactical	Law Tac
141	08d	D	PPD 7th Tac	7th District Tactical	Law Tac
143	08f	D	PPD 8th Tac	8th District Tactical	Law Tac
145	091	D	PPD 9th Tac	9th District Tactical	Law Tac
147	093	D	PPD 12th Tac	12th. District Tactical	Law Tac
149	095	D	PPD 16th Tac	16th. District Tactical	Law Tac
153	099	D	PPD 18th Tac	18th. District Tactical	Law Tac
155	09b	D	PPD 19th Tac	19th. District Tactical	Law Tac
157	09d	D	PPD 22nd Tac	22nd District Tactical	Law Tac
159	09f	D	PPD 39th Tac	39th. District Tactical	Law Tac
161	0a1	D	PPD 14th Tac	14th District Tactical	Law Tac
163	0a3	D	PPD 15th Tac	15th. District Tactical	Law Tac
165	0a5	D	PPD 24th Tac	24th. District Tactical	Law Tac
167	0a7	D	PPD 25th Tac	25th. District Tactical	Law Tac
169	0a9	D	PPD 26th Tac	26th. District Tactical	Law Tac
171	0ab	D	PPD 35th Tac	35th. District Tactical	Law Tac

001	D	PPD Far-NE	Far North-East Division (7th. and 8th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
3	003	D	PPD N-East	North-East Division (2nd. and 15th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
19	013	D	PPD East 1	East Division 1 (24th. and 26th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
21	015	D	PPD East 2	East Division 2 (25th. District)	Law Dispatch
15	00f	D	PPD North	North Division (14th. and 35th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
5	005	D	PPD N-Centrl	North-Central Division (22nd. District)	Law Dispatch
17	011	D	PPD N-West	North-West Division (5th. and 39th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
7	007	D	PPD Central	Central Division (6th. and 9th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
9	009	D	PPD South 1	South Division 1 (1st., 3rd. and 17th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
11	00b	D	PPD S-West	South-West Division (12th. and 18th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
13	00d	D	PPD West	West Division (16th. and 19th. Districts)	Law Dispatch

Thank you
Ryan.

 

[Railbender]

Philadelphia Trunking System, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

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[RaleighGuy]

Hi there my name is RYAN and I was wondering if I can have help finding some frequencies for the following talk group id numbers. I’m unaware of what the frequency would be for the talk group.
They are from the Philadelphia area police departments.

237	0ed	D	PFD North Fire	North Fire Dispatch	Fire Dispatch
239	0ef	D	PFD South Fire	South Fire Dispatch	Fire Dispatch
241	0f1	D	PFD North Medic	North EMS Dispatch (North Medic)	EMS Dispatch
235	0eb	D	PFD Cent Medic	Central EMS Dispatch (Central Medic)	EMS Dispatch
243	0f3	D	PFD South Medic	South EMS Dispatch (South Medic)	EMS Dispatch
253	0fd	DE	PFD North Tac 1	North Fire and EMS Tactical 1	Fire-Tac
255	0ff	DE	PFD North Tac 2	North Fire and EMS Tactical 2	Fire-Tac
257	101	DE	PFD North Tac 3	North Fire and EMS Tactical 3	Fire-Tac
245	0f5	DE	PFD South Tac 1	South Fire and EMS Tactical 1	Fire-Tac
247	0f7	DE	PFD South Tac 2	South Fire and EMS Tactical 2	Fire-Tac
249	0f9	DE	PFD South Tac 3	South Fire and EMS Tactical 3	Fire-Tac

08b	D	PPD 6th Tac	6th District Tactical	Law Tac
141	08d	D	PPD 7th Tac	7th District Tactical	Law Tac
143	08f	D	PPD 8th Tac	8th District Tactical	Law Tac
145	091	D	PPD 9th Tac	9th District Tactical	Law Tac
147	093	D	PPD 12th Tac	12th. District Tactical	Law Tac
149	095	D	PPD 16th Tac	16th. District Tactical	Law Tac
153	099	D	PPD 18th Tac	18th. District Tactical	Law Tac
155	09b	D	PPD 19th Tac	19th. District Tactical	Law Tac
157	09d	D	PPD 22nd Tac	22nd District Tactical	Law Tac
159	09f	D	PPD 39th Tac	39th. District Tactical	Law Tac
161	0a1	D	PPD 14th Tac	14th District Tactical	Law Tac
163	0a3	D	PPD 15th Tac	15th. District Tactical	Law Tac
165	0a5	D	PPD 24th Tac	24th. District Tactical	Law Tac
167	0a7	D	PPD 25th Tac	25th. District Tactical	Law Tac
169	0a9	D	PPD 26th Tac	26th. District Tactical	Law Tac
171	0ab	D	PPD 35th Tac	35th. District Tactical	Law Tac

001	D	PPD Far-NE	Far North-East Division (7th. and 8th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
3	003	D	PPD N-East	North-East Division (2nd. and 15th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
19	013	D	PPD East 1	East Division 1 (24th. and 26th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
21	015	D	PPD East 2	East Division 2 (25th. District)	Law Dispatch
15	00f	D	PPD North	North Division (14th. and 35th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
5	005	D	PPD N-Centrl	North-Central Division (22nd. District)	Law Dispatch
17	011	D	PPD N-West	North-West Division (5th. and 39th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
7	007	D	PPD Central	Central Division (6th. and 9th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
9	009	D	PPD South 1	South Division 1 (1st., 3rd. and 17th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
11	00b	D	PPD S-West	South-West Division (12th. and 18th. Districts)	Law Dispatch
13	00d	D	PPD West	West Division (16th. and 19th. Districts)	Law Dispatch

Thank you
Ryan.

That is a trunked system, you listen to the site control channel from the database @Railbender post a link to. When you program in the site you will then also select those TGs.

What kind of scanner do you have and what software are you using?

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

Welcome to the RR forums. Read up on how trunked radio systems work

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Once you have a grasp on it, program in the Zone 2 simulcast. This is where Philly Police & Fire/EMS traffic is carried. The Zone 1 simulcast carries other city services. Only mode "D" talkgroups on the system can be monitored. Mode "DE" talkgroups are fully encrypted and cannot be monitored by any scanner. Highly recommended to scan using a Uniden SDS100 or SDS200 as simulcast distortion will be a factor scanning with anything else

 

[ryantheryguy]

That is a trunked system, you listen to the site control channel from the database @Railbender post a link to. When you program in the site you will then also select those TGs.

What kind of scanner do you have and what software are you using?

Hi thank you for the reply I’m using a Motorola xtl 2500 7/800 MHz mobile radio with the Motorola RVN4186AX Astro 25 XTS / XTL Series CPS Programming Software

 

[saber2k5]

Simulcast zone 1 (site 3) is the primary system for fire and other city agencies. Simulcast zone 2 (site 4) is the primary system for the police department.

It is my understanding that if the Zone 2 system is completely filled with traffic -- and a PPD unit initiates an additional request, it will be routed to a Zone 1 channel.

The only possible way to monitor with a Motorola radio is using NAS, which is not a trivial programming process. In order to do any programming of a trunking system, a system key is required.

It is not possible to merely sit on a talk group and receive any audio without affiliation. It is part of the P25 standard.

Notwithstanding all the above, there is a definite limit on the number of talk groups that can be programmed into a scan list. Also, once you exceed five or six tgs in the scan list on this busy system, you will miss a large amount of traffic.

As many others have stated so many times in similar posts, you will do better with a scanner -- it must be LSM capable -- such as an SDS. Another great option is the Unication G series "pager".

 

[HM1529]

Just to be clear here, you run the risk of ending up in jail and/or paying big fines if you program your radio wrong. Given that you couldn't seem to find the frequencies you needed even though they would have been on the same page where the talkgroup list was, you may want to rethink playing with an XTL and trying to program this system. But, then again, go for it. YOLO, right?

 

[KE4ZNR]

Hi thank you for the reply I’m using a Motorola xtl 2500 7/800 MHz mobile radio with the Motorola RVN4186AX Astro 25 XTS / XTL Series CPS Programming Software

Oh boy. As others have said. Just stop. You have no idea of what you are doing.
Sell the XTL and buy a scanner or Unication pager.

 

[PhillyPete]

PhillyFireFeed sells programmed radios. Email them, they might program your radio for a fee. I got rid of my radios going on 2 years ago when I got my unication g4. Unication is so simple to program.

 

[HM1529]

PhillyFireFeed sells programmed radios. Email them, they might program your radio for a fee. I got rid of my radios going on 2 years ago when I got my unication g4. Unication is so simple to program.

Unications also receive the system very well. I use mine whenever I am in the city and sometimes from out in the burbs, too.

 

[PhillyPete]

It's very small to carry around, it's simple to program compared to other radios, plus it has bluetooth. Last night I programmed camden county fire and Gloucester county fire. It took me like 15 mins to program both.

 

[PhillyPete]

Unications also receive the system very well. I use mine whenever I am in the city and sometimes from out in the burbs, too.

I'm very surprised with how for out it picks up systems.

 

[saber2k5]

I have seen the Unication pager in use. Sound is very good. You may not get the extreme volume that an APX offers, but range seems very close to the APX portable. The Unication will also allow for manual encryption keyloading -- no extra tools, just a program add on. It is -- without question -- the way to monitor trunked systems.

 

[chainsawman]

Simulcast zone 1 (site 3) is the primary system for fire and other city agencies. Simulcast zone 2 (site 4) is the primary system for the police department.

It is my understanding that if the Zone 2 system is completely filled with traffic -- and a PPD unit initiates an additional request, it will be routed to a Zone 1 channel.

The only possible way to monitor with a Motorola radio is using NAS, which is not a trivial programming process. In order to do any programming of a trunking system, a system key is required.

It is not possible to merely sit on a talk group and receive any audio without affiliation. It is part of the P25 standard.

Notwithstanding all the above, there is a definite limit on the number of talk groups that can be programmed into a scan list. Also, once you exceed five or six tgs in the scan list on this busy system, you will miss a large amount of traffic.

As many others have stated so many times in similar posts, you will do better with a scanner -- it must be LSM capable -- such as an SDS. Another great option is the Unication G series "pager".

When you're looking at these P25 pages, how do you know whether to listen to the Zone 1 or Zone 2 systems in order to pick up police/fire bands? I have a similar issue on other cities like city of Houston on the TxWARN system. Thanks.

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

When you're looking at these P25 pages, how do you know whether to listen to the Zone 1 or Zone 2 systems in order to pick up police/fire bands? I

Read post #4

 

[chainsawman]

Read post #4

Sorry, totally missed that. So, PPD and and fire dispatch are on Zone 2, but if I'm reading the System Notes correctly, there's still some fire/EMS comms on Zone 1? Is it the tac channels? Airport operations?

 

[PhillyPete]

PPD and some PFD (N, S Fire, EMS) are on zone 2.
PFD and some PPD( J, T, M) are on Zone 1 along with the rest of the city services including Airport. The reason for it, if something happens to either zone, certain talkgroups are still transmitted.

 

[saber2k5]

PhillyPete is correct on all his information.