Hillsborough County (EDACS and P25 32D.1E306)

[ke4crc]

So, what if they have to go outside their district to chase a bad guy? You're saying their radios will not affiliate/login to the other site if it has a stronger control channel?

I'm not an expert or usually lessen to Hillsborough, but I think if an east side unit is closer to a west side tower then that TG would broadcast on the west side & east side.
Polk County TGs will automatically pick whichever tower is closest.
for example, PCSO / PCFD cars that are close to the Hardee or Highlands tower that TG will automatically broadcast over that specified tower (AKA roam)

 

[tampabaynews]

So, what if they have to go outside their district to chase a bad guy? You're saying their radios will not affiliate/login to the other site if it has a stronger control channel?

Yes.

In Hillsborough County's programming, a zone references one site and one site only. A user does not "roam" between sites in a single zone like you'd expect in a multi-site trunking system. Some talkgroups are only contained in one zone - one site and some talkgroups are duplicated in an east and west zone so it will affiliate on the relevant site.

So if you were a deputy and turned on your radio to the zone "Patrol West" and channel "D1" while you were in Plant City, you'd affiliate with the west site because the zone "Patrol West" does not reference the east site at all and "D1" doesn't appear in any other zone.

That being said... the talkgroup "Countywide" for example is in both "Patrol West" and "Patrol East" zones. But, if you are on "Patrol West" - "Countywide" while in Plant City, you're still using the west site. You'd need to flip over to "Patrol East" - "Countywide" to use that talkgroup on the east site.

Same thing with HCFR tacs... Tac 1 is programmed to a zone that only has the east site referenced. The next channel in the zone is Tac 3. So you'd never see Tac 2 affiliate on the east site because Tac 2 is in a zone that has only the west site programmed. The Dispatch talkgroup is in both zones, but the user essentially has to pick east or west.

Why did they decide to do it this way? Dunno. That is a question for the system admin. Nothing new here, it was set up the same way even in EDACS.

 

[railroader1994]

@tampabaynews best response yet.

 

[ke4crc]

Yes.

In Hillsborough County's programming, a zone references one site and one site only. A user does not "roam" between sites in a single zone like you'd expect in a multi-site trunking system. Some talkgroups are only contained in one zone - one site and some talkgroups are duplicated in an east and west zone so it will affiliate on the relevant site.

So if you were a deputy and turned on your radio to the zone "Patrol West" and channel "D1" while you were in Plant City, you'd affiliate with the west site because the zone "Patrol West" does not reference the east site at all and "D1" doesn't appear in any other zone.

That being said... the talkgroup "Countywide" for example is in both "Patrol West" and "Patrol East" zones. But, if you are on "Patrol West" - "Countywide" while in Plant City, you're still using the west site. You'd need to flip over to "Patrol East" - "Countywide" to use that talkgroup on the east site.

Same thing with HCFR tacs... Tac 1 is programmed to a zone that only has the east site referenced. The next channel in the zone is Tac 3. So you'd never see Tac 2 affiliate on the east site because Tac 2 is in a zone that has only the west site programmed. The Dispatch talkgroup is in both zones, but the user essentially has to pick east or west.

Why did they decide to do it this way? Dunno. That is a question for the system admin. Nothing new here, it was set up the same way even in EDACS.

I'm a little confused I think.

If a deputy in Citrus Park (N.W. Hills) wanted to talk on the Ruskin Zone Dispatch Channel, He couldn't use that channel until he got within range of an East site Tower ? or vice versa

 

[tampabaynews]

I'm a little confused I think.

If a deputy in Citrus Park (N.W. Hills) wanted to talk on the Ruskin Zone Dispatch Channel, He couldn't use that channel until he got within range of an East site Tower ? or vice versa

Correct. That would be D4 and it only runs off the east site, in addition to any talkgroup in the Patrol East zone.

Site roaming can be limited by subscriber unit programming and Hillsborough County does limit which talkgroups affiliate to which site.

 

[ke4crc]

Correct. That would be D4 and it only runs off the east site, in addition to any talkgroup in the Patrol East zone.

Site roaming can be limited by subscriber unit programming and Hillsborough County does limit which talkgroups affiliate to which site.

That's crazy (in my opinion) they should be able to roam
if they get into a pursuit and run out of their side of the county I suppose they would have to worry about changing channels or break off of the chase but then again it's Hillsborough County soft on crime ( sarcasm)

 

[CanesFan95]

Yeah, I agree. Why would they program their radios crazy like that ?

Then again, this comes from a county that's taking 10 years to implement P25.

 

[whooey]

Headed to TPA this weekend bringing my SDS100. Any reason to upload the EDACS or should I just upload the P25 phase II? Ty in advance.

 

[bravo14]

Headed to TPA this weekend bringing my SDS100. Any reason to upload the EDACS or should I just upload the P25 phase II? Ty in advance.

I would just have it loaded case if they are still bothing p25 & Edacs. I'm not sure if all 100% transfer over.

 

[whooey]

You're right, loaded it up.

 

[zlandmedia]

I would just have it loaded case if they are still bothing p25 & Edacs. I'm not sure if all 100% transfer over.

Tampa PD and TFR talkgroups are still patched over to EDACS, as is the ALS to hospitals. HCC Public Safety is still on the EDACS system as well, and I think they might be the last holdover.

 

[SuperFlyEDSguy]

You saw Tampa what? PD / FD ? What TGIDs did you see active? I'm running DSD+ right now and only see the usual few TGs and nothing new (Tampa Airport, TTPD, & Tampa parking).

Is it just me or does TTPD hardly broadcast?! I have them setup on both P25 and EDACS, yet don’t recall hearing a single transmission. I don’t monitor 24/7, but most of the traffic I pickup is TPD & TFD as well as Hillsborough ACLS. I also have almost zero luck with HCSO. Any advice?

 

[tampabaynews]

Is it just me or does TTPD hardly broadcast?! I have them setup on both P25 and EDACS, yet don’t recall hearing a single transmission. I don’t monitor 24/7, but most of the traffic I pickup is TPD & TFD as well as Hillsborough ACLS. I also have almost zero luck with HCSO. Any advice?

No issues here. They're not as busy as Tampa or Hillsborough but I get transmissions every few mins.

What scanner are you using?

 

[SuperFlyEDSguy]

No issues here. They're not as busy as Tampa or Hillsborough but I get transmissions every few mins.

What scanner are you using?

I am using a BCD325-P2. I have all 3 upgrade keys (side point), a couple of decent enough antennas, tweaked the settings a bunch of different ways, and even live in Temple Terrace itself, yet no dice on TTPD & TTFD. I’m using all the latest frequencies/settings on here too. Those other channels come in pretty clear most of the time and my control channels usually have 3 or 4 bars. Not sure what gives unless Talkgroups have changes again. I’m stumped. What Talkgroups are you using? Are they on EDACS or P25? I have both setup though. If any help, HCSO sounds like it’s in a tin can most of the time too.

 

[zlandmedia]

I am using a BCD325-P2.

There’s your issue. You are likely missing transmissions as a result of simulcast distortion. You would need an SDS100, SDS200, or a Unication G4/G5 pager in order to hear all transmissions clearly on the system.

 

[SuperFlyEDSguy]

There’s your issue. You are likely missing transmissions as a result of simulcast distortion. You would need an SDS100, SDS200, or a Unication G4/G5 pager in order to hear all transmissions clearly on the system.

I was thinking that, but why would I have crystal clear reception on TPD/TFD/etc.? I also am receiving equally well on both East and West with those systems. It’s pretty much all in only TTPD/TTFD and HCSO that I am either not hearing or having issues with.

I was looking at the Unication pagers, but they seem fairly limited as opposed to the SDS-series scanners. What would be the advantage going the pager route over the SDS-series?

 

[bravo14]

Good afternoon,
I was at a spot today and normally get Hillsborough P25 no issues. Today I hooked up the dsdplus and both sites decide not to work with the 700 both sites went to 162 and 164 than no signal. I turned on the sds100 and it wouldn't lock on the control channel either guessing they are working on both sites or something happen?? Has anyone notice that?

DsdPlus
Site 1
769.28125 switched over to 162.88125

Site 2
770.58125 switched over to 164.18125

Sds100 both sites couldn't lock on the 700 Cntl Ch.

Here is the DSDFile

Network: 1E306.32D ; HILLSBOUROUGH CNTY P25

Bandplan #0: Base=162.6 Offset=+7.2875 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #1: Base=163.4 Offset=+7.1625 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #2: Base=164.0125 Offset=+9.8 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5
Bandplan #8: Base=162.6 Offset=+7.2875 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #9: Base=163.4 Offset=+7.1625 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5 Slots=2
Bandplan #10: Base=164.0125 Offset=+9.8 Spacing=6.25 BW=12.5 Slots=2


Site: 1.1 NAC=00A ; HILLSBOROUGH W

Channel 0-45: 162.88125 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 8-90: 162.88125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-91: 162.88125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-129: 163.40625 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-258: 163.40625-1 VOICE
Channel 8-259: 163.40625-2 VOICE
Channel 0-213: 163.93125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-426: 163.93125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-427: 163.93125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-321: 164.60625 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-642: 164.60625-1 VOICE
Channel 8-643: 164.60625-2 VOICE
Channel 0-437: 165.33125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-874: 165.33125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-875: 165.33125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-517: 165.83125 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1034: 165.83125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1035: 165.83125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-625: 166.50625 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1250: 166.50625-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1251: 166.50625-2 VOICE
Channel 0-717: 167.08125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1434: 167.08125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1435: 167.08125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-797: 167.58125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1594: 167.58125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1595: 167.58125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-901: 168.23125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1802: 168.23125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1803: 168.23125-2 VOICE


Site: 2.2 NAC=00A ; HILLSBOROUGH E

Channel 0-89: 163.15625 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 8-178: 163.15625-1 VOICE
Channel 8-179: 163.15625-2 VOICE
Channel 1-9: 163.45625 VOICE
Channel 9-18: 163.45625-1 VOICE
Channel 1-29: 163.58125 VOICE
Channel 9-58: 163.58125-1 VOICE
Channel 9-59: 163.58125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-253: 164.18125 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 8-506: 164.18125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-507: 164.18125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-369: 164.90625 CC SCC VOICE
Channel 8-738: 164.90625-1 VOICE
Channel 8-739: 164.90625-2 VOICE
Channel 0-441: 165.35625 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-882: 165.35625-1 VOICE
Channel 8-883: 165.35625-2 VOICE
Channel 0-477: 165.58125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-954: 165.58125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-955: 165.58125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-557: 166.08125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1114: 166.08125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1115: 166.08125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-677: 166.83125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1354: 166.83125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1355: 166.83125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-757: 167.33125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1514: 167.33125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1515: 167.33125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-861: 167.98125 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1722: 167.98125-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1723: 167.98125-2 VOICE
Channel 0-943: 168.49375 SCC VOICE
Channel 8-1886: 168.49375-1 VOICE
Channel 8-1887: 168.49375-2 VOICE


Site: 40.40 NAC=00A ; HILLSBOROUGH 40 E AIR OPS

Channel 0-21: 162.73125 SCC
Channel 0-181: 163.73125 CC


Site: 41.41 NAC=00A ; HILLSBOROUGH 41 W AIR OPS

Channel 0-1166: 169.8875 SCC
Channel 1-1146: 170.5625 SCC
Channel 2-1568: 173.8125 CC

 

[CanesFan95]

Those VHF frequencies will screw up your bandplan. Never tune to those. Figure out how to delete / reset the bandplan in the scanner and only use the 700 MHz frequencies.

And in DSD+, go to the Control menu and choose Rebuild Neighborhood List and P25 Bandplan while NOT tuned to any of those VHF frequencies.

 

[bravo14]

Those VHF frequencies will screw up your bandplan. Never tune to those. Figure out how to delete / reset the bandplan in the scanner and only use the 700 MHz frequencies.

And in DSD+, go to the Control menu and choose Rebuild Neighborhood List and P25 Bandplan while NOT tuned to any of those VHF frequencies.

I deleted the bandplan in the dsd and I restarted the dsdplus than turned to the 700 than it dropped out and brought that to the vhf for some odd reason.

 

[bravo14]

Now the 700mhz is working again. Weird how the came thru and wiped out the 700.