Industrial Electronics (448) NexEdge96 Trunked System

[PaMonitor]

Ok, but you didn't address any of the things that I said to try and help you out -- Items 1/2/3. Did you check to make sure that was all set correctly? If it is, it should alleviate most if not all ERR in the DOS window and should minimize the times when you see bogus Network/Site IDs show up like L274, etc.

No, I didn't mention them. But I did implement them. I adjusted the bandwith to around 8000, something I had read about in my research.

And I did do extensive research. The "Filter audio" I had already unchecked. And I backed off the sound slightly which eliminated the "Flat topping" issue. It seems to be running smoothly right now. I plan on posting a screenshot of just the event log a little later today.

I have also come across some of your posts on editing "Group Files" etc. I may experiment with that a bit tomorrow. I can hardly wait to connect it to my discone or take it on the road.

 

[PaMonitor]

SDR# quit suddenly so here's the screenshot:



As you can see it cleaned up nicely. They'll probably be more active next week. Now back to the learning curve.

 

[mtindor]

No, I didn't mention them. But I did implement them. I adjusted the bandwith to around 8000, something I had read about in my research.

And I did do extensive research. The "Filter audio" I had already unchecked. And I backed off the sound slightly which eliminated the "Flat topping" issue. It seems to be running smoothly right now. I plan on posting a screenshot of just the event log a little later today.

I have also come across some of your posts on editing "Group Files" etc. I may experiment with that a bit tomorrow. I can hardly wait to connect it to my discone or take it on the road.

OK. Good deal. Yes I think you’re going to have some fun. It is really a fun part of the hobby to get into !

mike

 

[mtindor]

As you can see it cleaned up nicely. They'll probably be more active next week. Now back to the learning curve.

Indeed. Very nice. Good luck, and have fun!

DSDPlus.Networks
;
NEXEDGE96,448,"Industrial Electronics (448)"

DSDPlus.Sites
;
NEXEDGE96,448,2,"Coudersport"
NEXEDGE96,448,4,"Horseheads"

DSDPlus.Frequencies
;
NEXEDGE96,448,4,485,461.050,466.050,1
NEXEDGE96,448,4,521,461.500,466.500,2
NEXEDGE96,448,4,543,461.775,466.500,3
NEXEDGE96,448,4,561,462.000,467.000,4
NEXEDGE96,448,4,733,464.150,469.150,5

 

[AM909]

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If you like, you can get rid of the "... records saved ..." noise by clicking on the event log window and pressing "b" repeatedly until it says "Hiding group/radio load/save messages" (at least I think that was available in the free version).

 

[BM82557]

I never gave a thought to it maybe being a DSDPlus bug. Worth investigating though. Can you record some raw audio (about 15 seconds) from the CC of Site 11 and send it to dsdplusfastlane@gmail.com (with an explanation of why you are sending it) or to my Gmail account?

I just figured that maybe the system maintainers have started purposefully listing the neighbors with a CC=1 to throw us off. Or maybe it's some indication that a site has no IP/microwave connection to the other sites at the time. For instance, Site 11 listed Site 5 with a CC=731 back when and now lists CC=1. Maybe it means that Site 11 isn't actually talking to Site 5 right now (no direct connection) and thus reports CC=1. And maybe Site 8 is totally isolated from the rest of the system at present time and thus lists all of its neighbors as CC=1. That was my thought.

Site 11 no longer shows neighbor site 5 as CC=1 --

 

[PaMonitor]

While there is mention of this on the other thread, I thought I would post it here should anyone wish to venture into Potter County, Pa.

Possible Control Channel for L448-2 Coudersport:

2023/02/26 09:30:34 Current network: L448 Industrial Electronics (448)
2023/02/26 09:30:34 Current site: L448-4 Horseheads
2023/02/26 09:31:00 L448-4 neighbor: Site L448-2; CC=516 461.4375 Coudersport

I haven't seen a neighbor list for L448-18 Galeton nor am I close enough to obtain one. Either one may list the other as a neighbor.

 

[PaMonitor]

I haven't seen a neighbor list for L448-18 Galeton nor am I close enough to obtain one.

I got close enough today

From DSDPlus.event:
2023/04/07 11:30:30 Current network: L448 Industrial Electronics (448)
2023/04/07 11:30:30 Current site: L448-18 Galeton
2023/04/07 11:31:41 L448-18 neighbor: Site L448-1; CC=583 462.275 Renovo?
2023/04/07 11:31:41 L448-18 neighbor: Site L448-2; CC=516 461.4375 Coudersport
2023/04/07 11:36:29 Deaffiliation; RID=1906 ACCEPTED

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

I briefly caught a CC from 448-6 on 461.125 (RAN 6) one bar from all the way down just outside Philly. I have since lost signal so I was unable to confirm an LCN. Site license spreadsheet in system wiki has it listed as LCN 491, though Site 9. Anyone up around Carbondale, PA able to confirm or negate my finding? Also is the 2nd frequency listed on the presumed license, 461.225 active?

 

[mtindor]

I briefly caught a CC from 448-6 on 461.125 (RAN 6) one bar from all the way down just outside Philly. I have since lost signal so I was unable to confirm an LCN. Site license spreadsheet in system wiki has it listed as LCN 491, though Site 9. Anyone up around Carbondale, PA able to confirm or negate my finding? Also is the 2nd frequency listed on the presumed license, 461.225 active?

I'd think it more likely to be Jim Thorpe PA (Carbon Co)

Jim Thorpe (Carbon)	ch #
461.125	491	WPNQ509
461.775	543
462.300	585
463.275	663
463.800	705

 

[Whiskey3JMC]

I'd think it more likely to be Jim Thorpe PA (Carbon Co)

Yeah I guess that would make more sense given it's closer geographically to me than my first assumption. (Forgot to also check the Robert J Conway licenses). Then again ERP on the Carbondale license is considerably higher than the Jim Thorpe license so who knows, still would like confirmation from those close by

 

[PaMonitor]

Galeton has changed its NL to include L264-5.



It still has an incomplete NL as a number of them still do. I'm thinking L448-10 might be 461.5125 Austin.

 

[PaMonitor]

in the last couple of weeks L448 TG's have started to look more like L264 TG's. So I added a new section to my worksheet. Previously, an L448 TG would have a lower numerical value than its L264 counterpart. That is beginning to change with the L264 becoming more dominant. As an example, 719 on L264 would be 29 on L448. More recent TG's lately are matching. The L264 TG 411 has been added to L448 with its matching RID's. Newer TG's are identical on both systems. I'm still seeing the older L448 TG's but they may be in the process of being phased out.

 

[mtindor]

New (Pending) license for Kinton Knob / Wills Mountain in Bedford PA

Bedford PA (Bedford)
Kinton Knob off Wills Mountain
40.01369, -78.55555
ULS Application - Industrial/Business Pool, Trunked - 0010787554 - Conway, Robert J: Conway, Thomas J

461.625
462.25
463.375
463.500
464.225

 

[mtindor]

" just a bunch of radio registrations for talk group 65" is the same thing I've seen today on site 11 with one on TG 89 and 3 on TG 105, very little voice activity during any of the times I've parked on site 11. This is all today --

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@BM82557

Based upon that logging, you know that the following CH are active on that site:

157 which would be 451.95
189 which would be 452.35
201 which would be 452.500

Thus I would recommend that you submit an update to System 448 such as:

add the following to Site 11 Upper Strasburg:

157  451.95
189  452.35
201  452.500

all of which are on the Upper Strasburg WREK234 license

 

[BM82557]

@BM82557

Based upon that logging, you know that the following CH are active on that site:

157 which would be 451.95
189 which would be 452.35
201 which would be 452.500

Thus I would recommend that you submit an update to System 448 such as:

add the following to Site 11 Upper Strasburg:

157  451.95
189  452.35
201  452.500

all of which are on the Upper Strasburg WREK234 license

I thought I submitted that almost 2 years ago when I made that post but I guess it slipped my mind, anyway it has been submitted now.
Thanks for the reminder.

 

[PaMonitor]

I've noticed that in the GOOGLE Spreadsheet/Map that Belleville, Pa and Wallacetown, Pa are shown as a tossup for L448-3. I'm curious as to how that came about. I haven't seen it mentioned in the Forum.

 

[mtindor]

I've noticed that in the GOOGLE Spreadsheet/Map that Belleville, Pa and Wallacetown, Pa are shown as a tossup for L448-3. I'm curious as to how that came about. I haven't seen it mentioned in the Forum.

I don't remember, but seeing that I maintain those documents it is clear that at some point in the past I felt it wasn't a guarantee that L448-3 was one or the other. I would guess that a neighboring site listed the channel ID for 448-3 and that the channel ID mapped out to one of two frequencies that are on both licenses -- thus making me undecided.

Until somebody copies 448-3 directly and notes what channel IDs are active on the site, as well as site neighbors, in my mind it'll remain a tossup.

But certainly it was determined that 448-3 was one of the two sites based upon a confirmed neighbor that listed that site as a neighbor

 

[mtindor]

I've noticed that in the GOOGLE Spreadsheet/Map that Belleville, Pa and Wallacetown, Pa are shown as a tossup for L448-3. I'm curious as to how that came about. I haven't seen it mentioned in the Forum.

Check this post from Oct 29, 2022: Industrial Electronics (264) NexEdge96 Trunked System

L448-3 ; RAN 3
462.0875 CC
Neighbors:
448-1 ; CC=586 (could be Renovo, Benton or Montrose, but likely Renovo or Benton)
448-2 ; CC=516 (could be Dunmore, Coudersport or Tunkhannock but likely Coudersport)

462.0875 is licensed to both Wallacetown and Belleville. So even though 448-3 is confirmed active, it is unsure which site it is until somebody sits on the control channel with software and monitors it until there is voice activity so that additional channel IDs / LSNs whatever you want to call them can be determined.

To track down how things were figured out thus far for 448, one really has to read through both the 264 and 448 threads, since those two systems are related / tied together.

Industrial Electronics (264) NexEdge96 Trunked System

Since there is no post in the multi-state forum regarding this particular trunked system, I figure I would add one. Thus far, as far as we know at this time, this NXDN trunked system covers NEPA and into NY and NJ. RRDB Link I do have concerns about how this system is depicted in the RRDB as...

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Industrial Electronics (448) NexEdge96 Trunked System

This thread is specifically for the Industrial Electronics Nexedge96 system with the 448 NID. Hopefully future 448 postings will occur rather than in the other Industrial Electronics thread. https://www.radioreference.com/db/sid/12171

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Somewhere in all the ramblings of both of those threads you can then figure out how things were determined, and why they were only determined to a certain extent.

 

[PaMonitor]

ntil somebody copies 448-3 directly and notes what channel IDs are active on the site, as well as site neighbors, in my mind it'll remain a toss

That would be me. I picked up some traffic the other day, some of which originated from downtown Smethport. Curiosity got the best of me so I took a trip today to Sweden Valley so I could monitor L448-2 which showed sites 3 and 10 as neighbors. So I also tried 462.0875 and took a screenshot. Unfortunately there was no traffic but it did show Sites 2 and 10 as neighbors. So it would seem that Smethport is L448-3.

Because there wasn't any other LCN's to compare with the license I'll probably not submit if. I do, however, have enough to submit Coudersport.