Interesting Anytone Termn-8r info

[hotdjdave]

Indeed, as per the official FCC VHF/UHF Narrowbanding FAQs...

"After January 1, 2011, the Commission will not certify VHF/UHF equipment that has a 25 kHz mode. Providers may still sell equipment with a 25 kHz mode after that date, if it was manufactured/imported prior to January 1, 2013."

"After January 1, 2013, the Commission no longer allows manufacturing or importation of equipment that includes a 25 kHz mode."

VHF/UHF Narrowbanding FAQs

Frank.

Makes no sense. The radio spectrum has plenty of room.

 

[12dbsinad]

Indeed, as per the official FCC VHF/UHF Narrowbanding FAQs...

"After January 1, 2011, the Commission will not certify VHF/UHF equipment that has a 25 kHz mode. Providers may still sell equipment with a 25 kHz mode after that date, if it was manufactured/imported prior to January 1, 2013."

"After January 1, 2013, the Commission no longer allows manufacturing or importation of equipment that includes a 25 kHz mode."

VHF/UHF Narrowbanding FAQs

Frank.

And the truth from the horses mouth shall set you free. Why is this huge point ever brought up?

 

[MTS2000des]

And the truth from the horses mouth shall set you free. Why is this huge point ever brought up?

Because, in these words, some people just can't handle the truth.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

Makes no sense. The radio spectrum has plenty of room.

Considering the mandate was placed 15 years out, during a period of steady growth in licensing, the rate of growth probably showed we'd be out of spectrum around 2013. Now what that growth model didn't show was how cell phone use would become the primary source of communication in small businesses leaving many to simply abandon their licenses.

Also, some areas like southern California had already begun moving to narrower bandwidth out of necessity. That's why some equipment has a 20kHz option. However, by the time 2013 came around close to 80% of the country didn't need to narrowband but many had already upgraded the equipment.

 

[Observer411]

A bit of hypocrisy here

Indeed, as per the official FCC VHF/UHF Narrowbanding FAQs...

"After January 1, 2011, the Commission will not certify VHF/UHF equipment that has a 25 kHz mode. Providers may still sell equipment with a 25 kHz mode after that date, if it was manufactured/imported prior to January 1, 2013."

"After January 1, 2013, the Commission no longer allows manufacturing or importation of equipment that includes a 25 kHz mode."

VHF/UHF Narrowbanding FAQs

Frank.

Once again - it seems we are scratching our heads to find things to support the theories that are incorrect.

The FCC in the end is the one certifying equipment and once they give a Part 90 sticker out, the equipment is now snickered and legal.

If you want to be on this endless hunt as previously mentioned:

Why aren't you panties in a wad over the Part 90 Baofeng, Wouxun, TYT, and previous Anytones? We all know that they are capable for 25/12.5 steps?

Shouldn't there be forums hunting down all the sellers of these as well? It seems that we just have a lot of wannabe FCC cops and if that is your desire than go do it. Trying to nit-pick against the newest Anytones leads to a bit of hypocrisy when every other chicom radio is capable of W/N banding.

 

[Observer411]

As for gesucks remark "Until the law is changed, these radio will not get a multi-part grant to do GMRS FRS and part 90 in the same radio" he would be correct because FRS does not allow a removable antenna. Otherwise in my opinion there is no reason for the FCC to deny them certification for part 90, GMRS and MURS (no FRS) in the same radio if the radio can only operate in one specific mode at a time.
prcguy

Lucky the new Anytone radios have nothing to do with FRS or certifying for Part 95b.

 

[rapidcharger]

The FCC in the end is the one certifying equipment and once they give a Part 90 sticker out, the equipment is now snickered and legal. )))

The sticker alone doesn't tell the whole story.
There are often conditions for the grant, just as there were with the anytone tech branded radios such as they were not to be sold to the general public. Furthermore, it doesn't mean they are in compliance if not used a certain way, such as by putting it in a channelized, non VFO mode. But they aren't usually shipped that way. They are ham radios as you take them out of the box for the first time.

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Why aren't you panties in a wad over the Part 90 Baofeng, Wouxun, TYT, and previous Anytones? We all know that they are capable for 25/12.5 steps?)))

This has been answered already. Why are you on an "endless hunt?"

What makes you so sure those are not being investigated as well?
When Anytone Tech went a step too far and people started asking questions, that will inevitably lead to people asking questions about the other radios as well.

Again, those radios, as I explained in the other forum that you are a member of, usually do not have accurate information listed in their grants. They have power levels and E.D.s that are erroneous. They may or may not have ever volunteered the key details that would preclude them from obtaining a grant. As hard to believe as it is, no eyebrows have yet been raised, I'm sure that they must be looking into the others now. Anything to happen may not happen overnight, but I would definitely keep checking and see if anything happens with those other brands and models.

That's typically how organized crime rackets get brought down. It goes on for a long time then all of a sudden, somebody goes too far and crosses a line that gets the attention they didn't want. Then it brings down the whole house of cards.

In any case, the Anytone Tech branded radios were such an obvious scam, very blatantly trying to deceive customers and egregious attempts to hide and conceal their identity and location, that it got the attention of law enforcement. That wasn't the case with the others. And as I have repeated dozens of times already, it is the fraud and lies that bothers me, not the fudging of the applications to get certification.

 

[Project25_MASTR]

Lucky the new Anytone radios have nothing to do with FRS or certifying for Part 95b.

True. But the FCC thinks they do when it was stated they offer 23 GMRS channels in both the manual and advertising when the service only has 15 channels. Only way to get 23 channels (by their definition) is to have FRS in there as well. Anytone Tech did that one to themselves.

 

[12dbsinad]

I don't think having these discussions here on the forums would classify anyone as being the "FCC police", except when opinions are somehow turned into facts. Things don't make sense, and all it takes is a little common sense to figure that out. Many people, like myself, are just asking questions. Not that I expect any answers on here but if it gets people thinking before they spend their hard earned cash because they want a legal radio, then good.

How can you still market a part 95/90 radio when the cert has been dismissed? What about all the existing radios that consumers bought because of that compliance? If magic happened, and a new cert was approved, does that cover my Anytone I bought a month ago? No it doesn't. Do I just gun it and run it anyway? I could go on for hours, but ill stop now.

I am all about black and white. If the FCC has rules and regs that everyone has to comply with, then either do it properly or don't sell the product.

 

[Observer411]

The sticker alone doesn't tell the whole story.
There are often conditions for the grant, just as there were with the anytone tech branded radios such as they were not to be sold to the general public. Furthermore, it doesn't mean they are in compliance if not used a certain way, such as by putting it in a channelized, non VFO mode. But they aren't usually shipped that way. They are ham radios as you take them out of the box for the first time.

Nothing was said differently - it seems we both agree that once the radios are put into their respective commercial mode, with NB and VFO lockout; then the radios are legal for commercial use.

The Part 90 grant has not been dismissed.

This has been answered already. Why are you on an "endless hunt?"

What makes you so sure those are not being investigated as well?
When Anytone Tech went a step too far and people started asking questions, that will inevitably lead to people asking questions about the other radios as well.

In any case, the Anytone Tech branded radios were such an obvious scam, very blatantly trying to deceive customers and egregious attempts to hide and conceal their identity and location, that it got the attention of law enforcement. That wasn't the case with the others. And as I have repeated dozens of times already, it is the fraud and lies that bothers me, not the fudging of the applications to get certification.

Considering Anytone Tech - when it comes down to it - is not responsible for the FCC dilemma; and these has nothing to do with Part 90 Grants - as all Chicom Part 90 grants are still in place.

Do you not realize that the manufacturer hired an independent lab went through and tested the radios and submitted their findings to the TCB lab who reviewed and approved the radios? I am doubting your theory that Anytone Tech was somehow involved the documentation process that all occurred in China. In fact I bet you they themselves took other businesses words in good faith. The company that you hate with such a passion has 100% feedback on Amazon.com. A real con that should be making you mad - are companies with no FCCIDs or lab testing to begin who are applying IDs to radios (example: Sainsonic GT-1); but instead you are heated up against a company who sold exactly what they were told by the manufacturer, lab, TCB, and FCC who all were involved. The company most liable for blame would be the lab who submitted results or the manufacturer who submitted products; but on the other hand if the FCCIDs are re-applied for a come back it seems the whole argument is invalid

If they were really a 'shady' business they would at least have someone other than FCC armchair lawyers mad at them. They obviously run a solid company as it is hard to find complaints against their personal services of warranty or repair support (both their baofeng and anytone businesses)

Again, those radios, as I explained in the other forum that you are a member of, usually do not have accurate information listed in their grants.

Another paranoid theory of yours, and what forum is this do pray tell? I am beginning to think since 90% of the crying is coming from you; I wouldn't be surprised if you are a vendor with competing interests to Anytone tech; because it really seems to personally effect you.

 

[Observer411]

True. But the FCC thinks they do when it was stated they offer 23 GMRS channels in both the manual and advertising when the service only has 15 channels. Only way to get 23 channels (by their definition) is to have FRS in there as well. Anytone Tech did that one to themselves.

Not to disagree with the logic, but the Grant clearly stated it was Part 95A (GMRS - Not 95B FRS) and even listed the frequencies. There are 23 channels on GMRS when there are in GMRS radios that allow for repeater and repeater less options

Did you also notice the dismissal letter said the radios did not have enough digits to support a commercial frequency as well - it is funny because the user manual shows the 25,50,75 digits even. It really comes down to a "engineer" who wrote a letter with some mistakes.

 

[Observer411]

I don't think having these discussions here on the forums would classify anyone as being the "FCC police", except when opinions are somehow turned into facts. Things don't make sense, and all it takes is a little common sense to figure that out. Many people, like myself, are just asking questions. Not that I expect any answers on here but if it gets people thinking before they spend their hard earned cash because they want a legal radio, then good.

How can you still market a part 95/90 radio when the cert has been dismissed? What about all the existing radios that consumers bought because of that compliance? If magic happened, and a new cert was approved, does that cover my Anytone I bought a month ago? No it doesn't. Do I just gun it and run it anyway? I could go on for hours, but ill stop now.

I am all about black and white. If the FCC has rules and regs that everyone has to comply with, then either do it properly or don't sell the product.

Considering that company has said they already have a re-application, it is apparent it seems promising if they have not halted sales. A new certificate would still carry the T4K-8RSERIES mark as the dismissal said they are able to reapply.

Having a TERMN-8R myself with or without the Part 95 mode (which I could care less about); it really comes down to it being the best CHICOM radio I have ever owned. The radio is rock solid, along with support from Anytone tech themselves. If they said the certification will come back then I am betting that it will be coming back; as the process doesn't happen overnight I am also willing to watch it play out - without a doubt a couple guys will still be yelling their opinions when it does come back too.

 

[rapidcharger]

The Part 90 grant has not been dismissed.)))

Because the part 90 grant was never issued in the first place.
Rather than fight me on it, just prove me wrong. Show me an official document that shows the 8Rseries radios on a part 90 grant and I will concede to you.



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((Considering Anytone Tech - when it comes down to it - is not responsible for the FCC dilemma; and these has nothing to do with Part 90 Grants - as all Chicom Part 90 grants are still in place.)))

Anytone tech is violating federal law by selling a device without FCC certification.
And they have good reason to be hiding.
But they can't hide forever.

(((. The company that you hate with such a passion has 100% feedback on Amazon.com)))

Maybe that's because someone who isn't dumb enough to buy a $150 "Chi-com" radio based on erroneous grants and lies aren't leaving feedback.

(((A real con that should be making you mad - are companies with no FCCIDs or lab testing to begin who are applying IDs to radios (example: Sainsonic GT-1); but instead you are heated up against a company who sold exactly what they were told by the manufacturer, lab, TCB, and FCC who all were involved. The company most liable for blame would be the lab who submitted results or the manufacturer who submitted products; but on the other hand if the FCCIDs are re-applied for a come back it seems the whole argument is invalid)))

Once again, I am blaming the dealer who is claiming the radios are something they aren't; legal to use.

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If they were really a 'shady' business they would at least have someone other than FCC armchair lawyers mad at them. They obviously run a solid company as it is hard to find complaints against their personal services of warranty or repair support (both their baofeng and anytone businesses))))

Really? What is the actual name of the company and where are they licensed to conduct business? If they are not shady and they are a legitimate licensed company, I will apologize and tell you that you were right all along. Rather than get all emotional, just prove me wrong.

(((Another paranoid theory of yours, and what forum is this do pray tell? I am beginning to think since 90% of the crying is coming from you; I wouldn't be surprised if you are a vendor with competing interests to Anytone tech; because it really seems to personally effect you.

Crying? I think the other members of the forum, not including the sockpuppets who recently signed up this month would agree that it sounds like you're the one who's crying. What would I have to cry about? It's not me who's about to get shut down by the feds and face huge forfeitures.

Considering that company has said they already have a re-application,...))))

If they have re-applied it should be in the system. WHERE IS IT? Prove me wrong. Show me. Where is the application? Show me? Don't call me names. Prove me wrong. Show me I was wrong. Do it.

((((Having a TERMN-8R myself with or without the Part 95 mode (which I could care less about); it really comes down to it being the best CHICOM radio I have ever owned. The radio is rock solid, along with support from Anytone tech themselves. If they said the certification will come back then I am betting that it will be coming back; as the process doesn't happen overnight I am also willing to watch it play out - without a doubt a couple guys will still be yelling their opinions when it does come back too.

So what you're saying is you're either a fangirl or you're this Todd guy who allegedly is "Anytone Tech" and you refuse to listen to facts.

 

[Observer411]

Because the part 90 grant was never issued in the first place.
Rather than fight me on it, just prove me wrong. Show me an official document that shows the 8Rseries radios on a part 90 grant and I will concede to you.

You have chosen to ignore the previously posted FCC Part 90 Grant with the 398UV as an identical model. You are making a mountain out of a molehill, on permissive changes. The 398UV is on the Part 90 grant is an identical radio chipset according to the manufacturer.

You better go after the varieties of Baofengs, Wouxuns, and others - that as well do not include every new "letter" and "model" name changes.

Maybe that's because someone who isn't dumb enough to buy a $150 "Chi-com" radio based on erroneous grants and lies aren't leaving feedback.

Having the radio myself along with multitudes of others - have found the quality superior to many market radios.

But we are apparently "dumb"

Once again, I am blaming the dealer who is claiming the radios are something they aren't; legal to use.

Really? What is the actual name of the company and where are they licensed to conduct business? If they are not shady and they are a legitimate licensed company, I will apologize and tell you that you were right all along. Rather than get all emotional, just prove me wrong.

No one is emotional, but you certainly do get heated when you are challenged. I believe the reality of online businesses existing by small businesses operating out of rented offices is very real today. A multitude of eBay and Amazon sellers do not even provide a website or manner of contact outside of their marketplace. Wouxun.us runs out of a PO Box. With guys like you liable to do something crazy over a rant - if it was me, my address would remain private as well.

Crying? I think the other members of the forum, not including the sockpuppets who recently signed up this month would agree that it sounds like you're the one who's crying. What would I have to cry about? It's not me who's about to get shut down by the feds and face huge forfeitures.

Crying, no - but resorting to calling people dumb seems to be well within your wheelhouse

It is likely a person like you that submitted false information to the FCC - claiming the radios didn't have enough digits to display a frequency, and that they were FRS based.

If they have re-applied it should be in the system. WHERE IS IT? Prove me wrong. Show me. Where is the application? Show me? Don't call me names. Prove me wrong. Show me I was wrong. Do it.

Guess you know nothing about FCC grants. The application is handled by a certified TCB body who is suppose to run through the application thoroughly. The are authorized on the FCC's behalf to certify new applications and submit it to the FCC. So it appears if it has been reapplied for it is in the TCB's house. It will not show on the FCC's website until the TCB approves the application.

So what you're saying is you're either a fangirl or you're this Todd guy who allegedly is "Anytone Tech" and you refuse to listen to facts.

Nope, I am giving a business time to follow through - that has not yet been out of line with their previous business ventures; when they have reassured a grant is coming - let's see if it comes. You have made many errors (most recently believing that FCC applications go direct to the FCC in the process) in your accusations, while the more rational approach is to wait and see.

Worst case scenario for me: I wait it out and the grant doesn't come through - you were right and we should all worship you

Worst case scenario for you: You are wrong and are completely out of line. I would love to see Anytone Tech charge you with libel/slander if their grants came through.

 

[khaytsus]

I think we should get a new forum..

The RadioReference.com Forums > Commercial, Professional Radio and Personal Radio > Chicom Witchhunts

 

[Observer411]

I think we should get a new forum..

The RadioReference.com Forums > Commercial, Professional Radio and Personal Radio > Chicom Witchhunts

Thumbs up to that!

 

[rapidcharger]

You have chosen to ignore the previously posted FCC Part 90 Grant with the 398UV as an identical model. You are making a mountain out of a molehill, on permissive changes. The 398UV is on the Part 90 grant is an identical radio chipset according to the manufacturer.)))

That is conjecture, not proof. Prove it. The burden of proof is on you.
Stop making this about me and show me proof. Prove it.

(((Having the radio myself along with multitudes of others - have found the quality superior to many market radios.)))

Have I even once said that it wasn't? Find just one place I've said that "quality of the 8Rseries was inferior to many market radios" on either this forum or the other one
Stop making up fairy tales and prove it.

(((But we are apparently "dumb" )))

The evidence was presented to you well ahead of your purchase. And yet you chose to believe Anytone Tech's obvious phony baloney and now you seem to be upset that your money didn't go towards a multi-certified radio afterall. That wasn't too bright.

(((No one is emotional, but you certainly do get heated when you are challenged.)))

Heated? I do believe you are mistaken about that. It's just that I have posted comments based on FACTS or information that was to the best of my knowledge and have offered evidence along the way.

((( I believe the reality of online businesses existing by small businesses operating out of rented offices is very real today. A multitude of eBay and Amazon sellers do not even provide a website or manner of contact outside of their marketplace. Wouxun.us runs out of a PO Box. With guys like you liable to do something crazy over a rant - if it was me, my address would remain private as well. )))

I didn't say anything about PO boxes or rented offices. I asked you to tell me who they are doing business as and where are they licensed to do business. Even home based businesses that have PO boxes must be licensed to do business. If they aren't licensed, they are not abiding by the law. That would make them shady and illegal.
So prove me wrong.
Stop calling me names and insults and just show me proof that I am mistaken.

(((Guess you know nothing about FCC grants. The application is handled by a certified TCB body who is suppose to run through the application thoroughly. The are authorized on the FCC's behalf to certify new applications and submit it to the FCC. So it appears if it has been reapplied for it is in the TCB's house. It will not show on the FCC's website until the TCB approves the application.)))

This isn't proof. This is an excuse not to prove me the evidence that I asked for.
If there is a re-application, PROVE IT.
Otherwise, it is just conjecture. It proves nothing. It has come from the same well of endless lies. Stop insulting me and just show me the proof. If there is no proof then there is no application.

((( You have made many errors (most recently believing that FCC applications go direct to the FCC in the process) in your accusations,)))

Where did I say that? Please quote where I said that.
I didn't say that. If I did, PROVE IT.
Stop making up insults and calling me names and PROVE IT.
If you can't prove something, you're just making it up as you go along.

(((You are wrong and are completely out of line.)))

Prove it and I will admit to it.

I would love to see Anytone Tech charge you with libel/slander if their grants came through.

So would I.

 

[Voyager]

I'm starting to think one of my parrots is posting.

RAWWK! Prove it! Prove it! RAAWK!

Any other manufacturer introduces a new model, and there is no question about the Part 90 TA.
Anytone does it, and it can't be legal. Something smells of ulterior motives.

 

[rapidcharger]

I'm starting to think one of my parrots is posting.

RAWWK! Prove it! Prove it! RAAWK!

Any other manufacturer introduces a new model, and there is no question about the Part 90 TA.
Anytone does it, and it can't be legal. Something smells of ulterior motives.

I do sound like a parrot, don't I.

You'd think by now the other poster would offer a single shred of evidence to shut me up.

As for other manufacturers, they have part 90 grants that list the specific model.
If you are alleging that I have ulterior motives, PROVE IT.

Don't just talk about it. PROVE IT.

 

[Observer411]

A full list of very inaccurate information again:

That is conjecture, not proof. Prove it. The burden of proof is on you.
Stop making this about me and show me proof. Prove it.

The burden of proof lies with the person making the challenge, have you not heard: "Innocent until proven guilty"

You have made a claim it is not legal, in which it has been countered it is a 398UV which is listed on the application. To support your accusation, you now must prove otherwise. If you are so certain it shouldn't be so hard to back it up right?

Have I even once said that it wasn't? Find just one place I've said that "quality of the 8Rseries was inferior to many market radios" on either this forum or the other one
Stop making up fairy tales and prove it.

The statement of calling buyers of the radios 'dumb' definitely inferred you thought little of them; thank you for clarifying that as equipment you do not disagree that they are good radios.

The evidence was presented to you well ahead of your purchase. And yet you chose to believe Anytone Tech's obvious phony baloney and now you seem to be upset that your money didn't go towards a multi-certified radio afterall. That wasn't too bright.

The multiple certificates were present as well during the purchase. Again the certificates were pulled dismissed on weak claims (previously discussed see prior posts); and they even mention the fact for re-application.

Until the re-application is denied; you are completely out of line.

Heated? I do believe you are mistaken about that. It's just that I have posted comments based on FACTS or information that was to the best of my knowledge and have offered evidence along the way.

Many of your 'facts' (by your definition, a substitution of vocabulary would better be 'allegations') have been disproved - from the Part 90 "facts" to your thought process on how a re-application works.

I didn't say anything about PO boxes or rented offices. I asked you to tell me who they are doing business as and where are they licensed to do business. Even home based businesses that have PO boxes must be licensed to do business. If they aren't licensed, they are not abiding by the law. That would make them shady and illegal.

It is not illegal to do business "un-licensed". In fact this claim is another one of your "facts". It is a guarantee if AnyTone Tech is doing business in the United States that Amazon.com has their tax information in order to report a 1099.

Businesses can operate as a sole proprietorship, in which any revenue is reported on the personal income tax form.

Businesses can operate under the wings of Parent Corporations that have different legal names. Have you not noticed tax forms that request your DBA (doing business as). I doubt you have even checked business registrations; but even if you have there would be no way to know if it was a sole proprietor business or under the umbrella of a Corporation or LLC.

Once again if you are presenting the "facts" please provide information contrary to the above.

So prove me wrong.
Stop calling me names and insults and just show me proof that I am mistaken.

Please recheck the postings, the only one that has given "names" would be yourself calling a group of consumers 'dumb'.

This isn't proof. This is an excuse not to prove me the evidence that I asked for.
If there is a re-application, PROVE IT.
Otherwise, it is just conjecture. It proves nothing. It has come from the same well of endless lies. Stop insulting me and just show me the proof. If there is no proof then there is no application.

Considering the TCB application process is well known, I am not sure that I have to prove it to most readers. For yourself you may want to consider searching "TCB" on Google and see how they interact with the FCC

So would I.
I didn't realize they had the power to charge me with a crime.

You haven't realized a lot of the information you choose to ignore. Once again a simple Google search of "lawsuit slander libel" will probably reveal some of the information you are seeking for.