iSCAN Post-Release Discussion Thread
- Thread starter DaveIN
- Start date
-
- Tags
- pro-107 radioshack
- Status
Michael-SATX
Member
I am curious to hear from Pro-107 owners that have EDACS systems with ESK turned on ...
AND they are able to still trunk track analog TG's OK ??? ( obvisously, not the Pro-Voice TG's )
I hear officially that the Pro-107 supports ESK. OK, here is the really strange part I have observed.
In San Antonio / Bexar Co, we have an EDACS w/ESK system with both analog and Pro-Voice TG's
on the same system. I have had my Pro-106 and it tracks perfectly our numerous analog TG's perfectly.
So I grab a couple of Pro-107's about mid-december and presto they tracked these same analog TG's
right along side my Pro-106 ... that was until after newyears, now both Pro-107's stay totally quiet.
Please note that the programming was NOT touched, call me crazy but I can only conclude 1 or 2
possibilities ... 1) the system admin just happened to have ESK turned off for a few weeks ... darn I
will never know because I flat failed to bust out an older scanner like my Pro-95,96,97 to prove that
ESK was off .. 2) Does anybody know if by chance are there different "ESK" protocols in use ?
In otherwords, do Pro-106/197 and PSR-500/600's support more versions of ESK or is there only
1 type of ESK protocol ? So by some off chance, is it entirely possible that the system admin
enabled or upgraded the ESK protocol version and THAT threw off my Pro-107's into not trunking
all of a sudden ? My Pro-106 is trunking away and shows no signs of any change - wierd huh ???
I would especially love to get feedback from Pro-107 owners that live in area with EDACS ESK on.
I am very curious to know if ESK systems are many out there or are very few like I have heard, etc.
Especially chime in if you monitor systems with mixed mode Analog and Pro-Voice TG's like SATX.
Puzzled In San Antonio
(
ps ~ It would be pretty cQQl if there was some kind of magic upgrade to allow my 107 to track again ?
AND they are able to still trunk track analog TG's OK ??? ( obvisously, not the Pro-Voice TG's )
I hear officially that the Pro-107 supports ESK. OK, here is the really strange part I have observed.
In San Antonio / Bexar Co, we have an EDACS w/ESK system with both analog and Pro-Voice TG's
on the same system. I have had my Pro-106 and it tracks perfectly our numerous analog TG's perfectly.
So I grab a couple of Pro-107's about mid-december and presto they tracked these same analog TG's
right along side my Pro-106 ... that was until after newyears, now both Pro-107's stay totally quiet.
Please note that the programming was NOT touched, call me crazy but I can only conclude 1 or 2
possibilities ... 1) the system admin just happened to have ESK turned off for a few weeks ... darn I
will never know because I flat failed to bust out an older scanner like my Pro-95,96,97 to prove that
ESK was off .. 2) Does anybody know if by chance are there different "ESK" protocols in use ?
In otherwords, do Pro-106/197 and PSR-500/600's support more versions of ESK or is there only
1 type of ESK protocol ? So by some off chance, is it entirely possible that the system admin
enabled or upgraded the ESK protocol version and THAT threw off my Pro-107's into not trunking
all of a sudden ? My Pro-106 is trunking away and shows no signs of any change - wierd huh ???
I would especially love to get feedback from Pro-107 owners that live in area with EDACS ESK on.
I am very curious to know if ESK systems are many out there or are very few like I have heard, etc.
Especially chime in if you monitor systems with mixed mode Analog and Pro-Voice TG's like SATX.
Puzzled In San Antonio
(ps ~ It would be pretty cQQl if there was some kind of magic upgrade to allow my 107 to track again ?
Last edited:
davidbond21
Member
Nope, there is only one flavor of ESK. Are the talkgroups you were listening to on the 107 still coming across fine on your 106?
I cannot update my new Pro-107 RR Library.
Got my new Pro-107 yesterday.
I noticed that the agency I set into play list 1 was not the same as the RR date base which I know is current.
I updated the firmware & software OK.
Then I did a data base update.
It said the current version on the computer was 3 & the current available Update was #10.
#10 seamed to download to the computer OK.
I inserted the SD card into the computer & went "Copy Library to SD Card"
#10 seamed to copy to the SD card OK.
I also deleted PL1 from the SD card.
Inserted the SD card back into the iScan & it loaded correctly.
I checked & the data base was there & PL1 was empty.
I loaded the same agency again into PL1, I again saw the same out of date agency as compared to the RR data base which I know is current.
Now I cannot update the data base.
It starts, & tells me my current version on the computer is 3 & the current version on the update site is -1.
If I try to update I get “Update Failed….. The update was unable to create the file on your computer used to store the update. This file is normally downloaded to the iScan folder located in you’re my Documents Folder.”
This situation originally occurred on an XP computer.
I uninstalled & reinstalled the software with the same results.
I then did a new install on a Vista Laptop with the same results.
So now I still have an out of date RR data base #3 & cannot download the current data base #10.
[FONT="]Any thoughts? [/FONT]
Got my new Pro-107 yesterday.
I noticed that the agency I set into play list 1 was not the same as the RR date base which I know is current.
I updated the firmware & software OK.
Then I did a data base update.
It said the current version on the computer was 3 & the current available Update was #10.
#10 seamed to download to the computer OK.
I inserted the SD card into the computer & went "Copy Library to SD Card"
#10 seamed to copy to the SD card OK.
I also deleted PL1 from the SD card.
Inserted the SD card back into the iScan & it loaded correctly.
I checked & the data base was there & PL1 was empty.
I loaded the same agency again into PL1, I again saw the same out of date agency as compared to the RR data base which I know is current.
Now I cannot update the data base.
It starts, & tells me my current version on the computer is 3 & the current version on the update site is -1.
If I try to update I get “Update Failed….. The update was unable to create the file on your computer used to store the update. This file is normally downloaded to the iScan folder located in you’re my Documents Folder.”
This situation originally occurred on an XP computer.
I uninstalled & reinstalled the software with the same results.
I then did a new install on a Vista Laptop with the same results.
So now I still have an out of date RR data base #3 & cannot download the current data base #10.
[FONT="]Any thoughts? [/FONT]
DonS
Member
Try the library update again. There was an upload problem with last night's update.
Don
Thanks.
This helped a bit.
I had tried several time but got the error so I did the post.
Then I tried again after I saw your post & #11 listed.
I downloaded it, loaded it on the SD card & placed it on the iScan.
This whole process seemed to go great.
However the agency in question is still out of date compared with the RR data base.
Is the a way to confirm what data base is on the SD card?
Any idea why I cannot get the current RR data base?
DonS
Member
What agency, exactly, is out of date? The version 11 DB files contain exactly what the RR DB contained (or, at least, reported via the web services API) as of yesterday afternoon.
Oh... in the scanner, you can check the RR DB version by pressing the MENU key after power-on, while the "welcome" message is displayed. It should appear in the form "RR Lib Ver: 11".
Last edited:
San Mateo County Fire Agencies.
The RR data base is correct & it has all my recent updates that I submitted back in Oct or Nov.
#11 does not contain the updates I submitted.
DonS
Member
Comparing the RRDB (web view from "Database" link) to version 11 of the iSCAN's library, "San Mateo County Fire Service", "Fire & EMS" seems to contain all 26 conventional channels. A cursory examination seems to indicate that the alpha tags, frequencies, and CTCSS tones match.
Is this not what I should be looking at? (I don't see any other fire-related data in the web version of the RRDB).
EDIT: if you can point me directly to a RRDB web page that contains the information, and point out specificaly what information on that page is not current in the iSCAN's database, it would help.
iMONITOR
Silent Key
If you're not worried about loosing what's on the card, reformat it. Uninstall the software, delete all related folders, and start from scratch. That will fix the problem.
This is correct.
The first feq is 153.89000.
Look at Command 31.
Is correct in the RR data base at 151.085 123.0
Comes out on my iScan as the old freq and PL of 156.105 123.0
I did that.
DonS
Member
I just looked at the iSCAN's version 11 DB in two places:
1. Within the PC software
2. By importing "North Command" via the scanner's "Browse Library" process
Both give me 151.085000 MHz, CTCSS 123.0, alpha tag "Command 31"
On the SD Card (within a PC), look at the contents of the directory "DB". Make sure the file "RRDB_VER.BIN" has a time/date stamp comparable to the RRDB_011.xxx files.
There is RRBD_003.001 to RRDB_003.012 all dated 9-17-09
Then there is RRDB_011.001 to RRDB_011.013 all dated 1-9-10
This is after a DS reformat & a reload of #11.
How are you able to see the the whole date base?
DonS
Member
How about the RRDB_VER.BIN file? Does its time/date seem to match the RRDB_011 files?
Yes. Sorry I left it of the list.
DonS
Member
That (RRDB_VER.BIN time/date matches 011 files) means the scanner should be reading those 011 files, ignoring the 003 files. I'd recommend deleting the RRDB_003.nnn files from the SD Card (they're just taking up space). The "Library Update" process, including copying to the SD Card within the PC software, should've deleted those files if you are running a current version of the PC software.
How / where are you determining that the frequency imported for "North Command" / "Command 31" is incorrect? I am not able to duplicate your results here - it all seems to match what appears on the RR DB web pages.
Don
We had the same thought.
While I was waiting, I deleted all the 003 files.
Now the iScan sees the correct DB in #11.
I am running the current software version: 1.01
All seams to be OK now.
Will I need to do this for each update?
To see the frequencies, I turned off simple display.
DonS
Member
I think I see what's going on...
You had imported, using library version 3, some channels that were subsequently updated in the RR DB. You're then re-importing the same channels, but the frequency data isn't changing in the scanner.
The scanner isn't deleting the old (previously imported) channels - it's merely updating their playlist membership based on your selections in the import process.
You'll need to put the SD Card into a PC, run the PC software, and delete the channels. Then you can re-import (either on the PC or on the scanner) the updated version 11 data.
You had imported, using library version 3, some channels that were subsequently updated in the RR DB. You're then re-importing the same channels, but the frequency data isn't changing in the scanner.
The scanner isn't deleting the old (previously imported) channels - it's merely updating their playlist membership based on your selections in the import process.
You'll need to put the SD Card into a PC, run the PC software, and delete the channels. Then you can re-import (either on the PC or on the scanner) the updated version 11 data.
I have 011 only now after I deleted 003.
Are you saying to do as you suggest now again or next update?
- Status
