Does anyone know if Lighthorse Creek Nation Police is on OKWIN…. or rather, where are they specifically located?
Any help would be really appreciated …as always.
Any help would be really appreciated …as always.
Lighthorse Creek Nation Police
- Thread starter Drkatzjr45
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Yes, it is under "Tribal Law Enforcement."
Stephen
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They also have a VHF system and access to some other DMR tribal systems. They patrol vehicles have three separate radios.
I am having problems finding “Tribal Law Enforcement“ in OKWIN
Tribal Law Enforcement
| DEC | HEX | Mode | Alpha Tag | Description | Tag |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1551 | 60f | D | AbsnteeShawneePD | Absentee Shawnee Nation Police | Law Dispatch |
| 1361 | 551 | D | CherokeeNationPD | Cherokee Nation Police | Law Dispatch |
| 1075 | 433 | D | Chickasaw PD 1 | Chickasaw Lighthorse - Ada Precinct | Law Dispatch |
| 1077 | 435 | D | Chickasaw PD 2 | Chickasaw Lighthorse - Newcastle Precinct | Law Dispatch |
| 661 | 295 | D | Chickasaw PD 3 | Chickasaw Lighhorse - Winstar Precinct | Law Dispatch |
| 1079 | 437 | D | Chickasaw PD Tac | Chickasaw Lighthorse Tactical | Law Tac |
MCN Lighthorse used to use a basic analog system. After that system failed, they piggybacked off of Okmulgee Fire's DMR system. This year (2023) they contracted with L3Harris to create a trunked system. I am currently trying to map out their system to update RR. Any help is appreciated as I have never mapped/deciphered/whatever its called a trunked system before. Their FCC callsign is WRVZ861.
So, an update. I have a SDS100 and have programmed in all their freqs and tried monitoring them. After no success, I created new systems in the software to monitor them; no success. Trunking discovery, no success. Conventional discovery (worth a try), no success. New trunked systems for every flavor that the SDS can offer (DMR, NXDN, X2, etc..), nothing. I know its likely a P25P2 system, but, after many unsuccessful outings, I decided to try everything. I can use the waterfall and see that there is plenty of activity on 152.4275 (associated the their site at the casino on Riverside in Tulsa) which is the closest site to me, but nothing again. I've sat next to the casino and even went across the street from their dispatch in Okmulgee to listen in and, although I am receiving strong signal indicators, nothing is coming through. I have thrown everything at this that my scanner can do, including trying all the filters and tweaking any other settings, but I am having no luck finding anything of value (no TGIDs, Site #s, nothing). All I can determine is that frequencies do have activity on them through the SDS100 waterfall and my basic RTL-SDR Airspy waterfall, but zero voice or info is coming through the scanner in any mode or means of programming the scanner. Although I have done this successfully at many sites using single frequencies (which is easy with this scanner) to update RR, I am at a complete loss with MCN Lighthorse's system at this point. Again, this is my first attempt(s) at what is most likely a trunked system. Any help or suggestions is appreciated.
So, an update. I have a SDS100 and have programmed in all their freqs and tried monitoring them. After no success, I created new systems in the software to monitor them; no success. Trunking discovery, no success. Conventional discovery (worth a try), no success. New trunked systems for every flavor that the SDS can offer (DMR, NXDN, X2, etc..), nothing. I know its likely a P25P2 system, but, after many unsuccessful outings, I decided to try everything. I can use the waterfall and see that there is plenty of activity on 152.4275 (associated the their site at the casino on Riverside in Tulsa) which is the closest site to me, but nothing again. I've sat next to the casino and even went across the street from their dispatch in Okmulgee to listen in and, although I am receiving strong signal indicators, nothing is coming through. I have thrown everything at this that my scanner can do, including trying all the filters and tweaking any other settings, but I am having no luck finding anything of value (no TGIDs, Site #s, nothing). All I can determine is that frequencies do have activity on them through the SDS100 waterfall and my basic RTL-SDR Airspy waterfall, but zero voice or info is coming through the scanner in any mode or means of programming the scanner. Although I have done this successfully at many sites using single frequencies (which is easy with this scanner) to update RR, I am at a complete loss with MCN Lighthorse's system at this point. Again, this is my first attempt(s) at what is most likely a trunked system. Any help or suggestions is appreciated.
The license you shared indicates it is
| 7K60FXE | 2-slot DMR (Motorola MOTOTRBO) TDMA voice. |
Also, if they are encrypted you won't hear anything on the scanner.
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Not wholly true. I've heard encrypted channels on the scanner. Schools, Tulsa County Sheriff SWAT, and others. Youtube: SDS100 encrypted transmissions. Its possible. I've done it. But thats all beside the point.
Where did you find that bit of info on it being MOTOTRBO?
I've been operating mostly off of guesses and, assumed that my guesses could be wrong so that is why I created every possible solution to throw at it.
Any helpful information is appreciated.
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Also, they are using Harris XL-200P radios.
Based on L3Harris' site, those are P25P2 VHF/UHF/700-800 mhz/LTE radios.
This is a link to the datasheet: https://www.l3harris.com/sites/default/files/2023-11/l3harris-xl-converge-200p-data-sheet-cs.pdf
FCC listing indicates it is a trunked system.
They could be on another system, and this FCC listing is separate network that they now own and implemented at the same exact time they switched from piggybacking off of Okmulgee Fire's DMR freq (and their old Motorola radios) to new Harris radios.
Also, the guy that signed for this new trunked system (on the FCC's site under WRVZ861) is one of their officers; so all clues indicate that they are on their own P25P2 trunked system.
This is the info that I have.
If anybody has any other info or tips for mapping a trunked system with a SDS100, it would be much appreciated and helpful so all of us radio/scanner enthusiasts can potentially have more on our listening menu.
Based on L3Harris' site, those are P25P2 VHF/UHF/700-800 mhz/LTE radios.
This is a link to the datasheet: https://www.l3harris.com/sites/default/files/2023-11/l3harris-xl-converge-200p-data-sheet-cs.pdf
FCC listing indicates it is a trunked system.
They could be on another system, and this FCC listing is separate network that they now own and implemented at the same exact time they switched from piggybacking off of Okmulgee Fire's DMR freq (and their old Motorola radios) to new Harris radios.
Also, the guy that signed for this new trunked system (on the FCC's site under WRVZ861) is one of their officers; so all clues indicate that they are on their own P25P2 trunked system.
This is the info that I have.
If anybody has any other info or tips for mapping a trunked system with a SDS100, it would be much appreciated and helpful so all of us radio/scanner enthusiasts can potentially have more on our listening menu.
If you look at the license on the FCC site under Frequencies at the top right of the page is a tab for Emissions, and that is what indicates it is a two slot DMR system, 7K60FXE.
Awesome, I'll check that out and figure out what all those sites are used for.
As far as Lighthorse, I finally found them late this afternoon and have been monitoring their voice traffic all evening. Basically, yeah, they own their own system, but the PD uses a different system and both were implemented around the same time last year. I've submitted the changes but, for anybody interested, this is the gist of the contents of the submission so you can manually program it in:
Muscogee (Creek) Nation Lighthorse Tribal Police have ceased using Okmulgee County's DMR System. They have since migrated to the Broken Arrow Communications Regional Network.
The latest information I have for them is that they within the Wagoner County set of frequencies of the Broken Arrow Talkgroup (RFSS ID: 1, Site ID:1)
DEC: 9031 HEX: 2347h Mode: T Alpha Tag: Creek Nation PD Description: Creek Nation Tribal Police Dispatch Tag: Law Dispatch
As far as Lighthorse, I finally found them late this afternoon and have been monitoring their voice traffic all evening. Basically, yeah, they own their own system, but the PD uses a different system and both were implemented around the same time last year. I've submitted the changes but, for anybody interested, this is the gist of the contents of the submission so you can manually program it in:
Muscogee (Creek) Nation Lighthorse Tribal Police have ceased using Okmulgee County's DMR System. They have since migrated to the Broken Arrow Communications Regional Network.
The latest information I have for them is that they within the Wagoner County set of frequencies of the Broken Arrow Talkgroup (RFSS ID: 1, Site ID:1)
DEC: 9031 HEX: 2347h Mode: T Alpha Tag: Creek Nation PD Description: Creek Nation Tribal Police Dispatch Tag: Law Dispatch
So that will confirm my suspicion that is who 9031 is on the BA system. I know they address headquarters as 'nation.' There was quite a bit of talking months ago when they were testing that TG "The LTE in these radios work very well" which made me think their coverage area included a portion that the BA system doesn't cover.
I've also had those DMR frequencies in my monitoring rotation. I've been able to pick up the Haskell site, which is a CAP+ but never have had any traffic seen on any of the frequencies.
I've also had those DMR frequencies in my monitoring rotation. I've been able to pick up the Haskell site, which is a CAP+ but never have had any traffic seen on any of the frequencies.
Yep, that is them for sure. Between the "Nation" designator for their dispatch, and all the traffic stops and calls for service in their jurisdiction, its them.
Now to dig into their other freqs and sites again...
I didn't know that the FCC listings included emissions codes. Thats good stuff to know. Thanks Freqed.
Now to dig into their other freqs and sites again...
I didn't know that the FCC listings included emissions codes. Thats good stuff to know. Thanks Freqed.
So the Tribal Law Enforcement chart associated with OKWIN that KevenC posted
is no longer in use..Is this correct?
Also you mentioned the frequency: 152.4275
Is this a conventional frequency that LH uses or the casino security?
Thanks
is no longer in use..Is this correct?
Also you mentioned the frequency: 152.4275
Is this a conventional frequency that LH uses or the casino security?
Thanks
That table he posted is for Chickasaw Nation Lighthorse.
Muscogee (Creek) Nation is a different tribe that also calls their police 'Lighthorse'.
152.4275 does belong to the MCN tribe, but I suspect it is for their shuttle service that they use to get disabled/elderly/etc. patients to and from medical appointments.
Muscogee (Creek) Nation is a different tribe that also calls their police 'Lighthorse'.
152.4275 does belong to the MCN tribe, but I suspect it is for their shuttle service that they use to get disabled/elderly/etc. patients to and from medical appointments.
Just a reminder, just because there is no traffic doesn't mean TGs on a system "is no longer in use", it may be available as a backup for them.
My county has there own system, yet there are a set of TGs on our state system for them, but you only hear them used as a backup in case the county system goes down or if it is an out of area prisoner transport.
I think there was just confusion about info being shared.
He asked for one agency and was given a similarly named, but completely different agency on a different system. I'm sure Chickasaws is correct, but it was the wrong information for what he was needing.
