Yes, it was Dxx something.
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Could have been.
They definitely bought antennas, it was a serious massive order and subsequent orders were large also
I've logged 14000, 14002 and 14003 on the Byron site.
rneals
Rosco P. Coltrane
Since the only devices that would use 700MHz are portables, it would generally not make a lot of sense to run the 700 MHz base station at the full 150 watt capability of the GTR8000 when the talk-in device is a 5 watt portable.
My guess is that the Queens Park base stations probably run 20-30 watts, and after combiner losses that still leaves the talk-out path with 3 to 6 dB hotter RF than talk-in from the 5 watt portable.
So far it looks like
213990 = Toronto
213991 = Downsview
213998 = London
213999 = Lambton?
I agree it looks like the 213xxx TG are the dispatch ID used for various areas.
Enjoi19: I think the supergroup is when several TG are patched together. Usually I see it as the first TG in the patch sequence. Locally I have seen supergroup 2020 when patrols 21-27 have been linked. I did see supergroup 2021 showing up but 213998 could not raise patrol 21. I then saw TG 2020 added to the supergroup and Patrol 21 joined in.
Based on experience, I am interpreting the system data as there is just one system with 100+ sites no more system zones like FleetNets zone1-4. The radio user then selects the radio zone. These zones are separated into regional TG's that kind of follow the old FleetNet zones.
The user then selects the TG they want and the radio affiliates with it. In theory, this would allow a user in North Bay to select a TG IE TG 2020 (Patrol 21 in southern Ontario) and be then able to use that TG in North Bay.
If we could find a Patrol coverage Map things would really be easier.
I checked my logs for DSD and see the following console RID's..
TG 2054 - RID 213989/213995
TG 2055 - RID 213992
TG 2056 - RID 213991/213993/213994
TG 2067 - just 3 201xxx RID's no console RID.
Matt
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updated console list. As always subject to correction and update.
213989 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 (Hamilton/Niagara) | 2054 |
213990 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 (Toronto) | |
213991 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 (Downsview) | 2056 |
213992 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 (Morriston) | 2055 |
213993 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 (Pontypool) | 2052 |
213994 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 (Fonthill??) | 2056 |
213995 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 (Hamilton/Niagara) | 2054 |
213998 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 ( London/Perth County) | 2020 |
213999 | MTO Dispatch XLS445 (Lambton??) |
rneals
Rosco P. Coltrane
I see XLS201 (Toronto) transmit with about 4 different Radio IDs and different voices.
I suspect that at least 4 of these desks at the TMC (Traffic Management Center) have a radio console, and that each console position has a different Radio ID. It just depends who answers the radio, and who is sitting at what desk.
They likely have a different Radio ID for each talk group on the consoles as well.I see XLS201 (Toronto) transmit with about 4 different Radio IDs and different voices.
I suspect that at least 4 of these desks at the TMC (Traffic Management Center) have a radio console, and that each console position has a different Radio ID. It just depends who answers the radio, and who is sitting at what desk.
Kinda funny to see that they have CP24 in the middle of the traffic cam jumbo-tron.
Anyways, here is a data dump of unknown PSRN talkgroup ID's. Dates March and prior are Mississauga and Fonthill towers. Dates in April would be from Toronto and King City towers. Even if nothing was heard, radios affilliated withese talkgroups:
P25, BEE00.AD9, 259, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 271, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/09 16:41, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 295, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/15 15:27, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 541, 50, Normal, 3, 2024/04/03 15:27, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 547, 50, Normal, 5, 2024/03/27 17:51, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 548, 50, Normal, 1, 2024/04/03 15:23, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 568, 50, Normal, 4, 2024/03/12 10:49, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 2500, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/03 14:53, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 3000, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/20 14:14, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 3001, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/18 17:41, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 3700, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/15 16:30, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 14002, 50, Normal, 172, 2024/04/17 12:23, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19091, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19092, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/01/18 16:12, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19111, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/01/18 16:10, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19112, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19113, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/01/18 16:12, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20602, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/09 16:18, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20603, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/08 12:23, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20606, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/17 10:26, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20607, 50, Normal, 27, 2024/04/16 17:02, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20608, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/18 13:27, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20622, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20635, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20636, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/18 13:26, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20650, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/16 15:29, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20651, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/17 11:59, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20676, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/12 16:29, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20690, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/20 14:08, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20750, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/10 17:27, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20821, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/28 16:04, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20825, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20830, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/01 12:40, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20845, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/13 14:50, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20912, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/12 16:03, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21020, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/17 12:09, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21023, 50, Normal, 736, 2024/04/17 12:13, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21060, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/10 17:54, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21065, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/01 12:59, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21652, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/10 17:01, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21654, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 22114, 50, Normal, 1, 2024/02/28 13:47, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 22123, 50, Normal, 1, 2024/02/28 13:52, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 23036, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/29 11:52, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24021, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24062, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/28 13:58, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24066, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/21 8:52, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24069, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/10 18:06, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24072, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/17 11:58, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24114, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/18 17:30, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24115, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/08 12:06, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24243, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/03 11:35, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24268, 50, Normal, 1, 2024/04/16 15:25, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24331, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/29 12:41, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 48864, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/15 16:32, ""
Anyways, here is a data dump of unknown PSRN talkgroup ID's. Dates March and prior are Mississauga and Fonthill towers. Dates in April would be from Toronto and King City towers. Even if nothing was heard, radios affilliated withese talkgroups:
P25, BEE00.AD9, 259, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 271, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/09 16:41, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 295, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/15 15:27, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 541, 50, Normal, 3, 2024/04/03 15:27, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 547, 50, Normal, 5, 2024/03/27 17:51, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 548, 50, Normal, 1, 2024/04/03 15:23, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 568, 50, Normal, 4, 2024/03/12 10:49, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 2500, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/03 14:53, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 3000, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/20 14:14, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 3001, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/18 17:41, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 3700, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/15 16:30, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 14002, 50, Normal, 172, 2024/04/17 12:23, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19091, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19092, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/01/18 16:12, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19111, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/01/18 16:10, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19112, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 19113, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/01/18 16:12, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20602, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/09 16:18, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20603, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/08 12:23, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20606, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/17 10:26, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20607, 50, Normal, 27, 2024/04/16 17:02, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20608, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/18 13:27, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20622, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20635, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20636, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/18 13:26, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20650, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/16 15:29, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20651, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/17 11:59, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20676, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/12 16:29, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20690, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/20 14:08, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20750, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/10 17:27, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20821, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/28 16:04, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20825, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20830, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/01 12:40, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20845, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/13 14:50, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 20912, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/12 16:03, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21020, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/17 12:09, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21023, 50, Normal, 736, 2024/04/17 12:13, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21060, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/10 17:54, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21065, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/01 12:59, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21652, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/10 17:01, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 21654, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 22114, 50, Normal, 1, 2024/02/28 13:47, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 22123, 50, Normal, 1, 2024/02/28 13:52, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 23036, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/29 11:52, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24021, 50, Normal, 0, 0000/00/00 0:00, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24062, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/28 13:58, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24066, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/21 8:52, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24069, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/10 18:06, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24072, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/17 11:58, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24114, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/03/18 17:30, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24115, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/08 12:06, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24243, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/03 11:35, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24268, 50, Normal, 1, 2024/04/16 15:25, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 24331, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/02/29 12:41, ""
P25, BEE00.AD9, 48864, 50, Normal, 0, 2024/04/15 16:32, ""
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Same over at the City of Toronto TOC. CP24 is on the left hand monitor wall.
This facility is at 703 Don Mills Rd which is also the Primary Toronto 911 PSAP and Toronto Police Dispatch.
Traffic Monitoring Cameras
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rneals is correct in his interpretation of the console operation. Generally, each desk in a dispatch center will have its own RID. The operator can then select/multiselect or patch TG's. Our challenge will be to identify the dispatch center and the console in use. IE 213xxx = MTO Toronto Comcenter Desk 2.
Obviously we may not ever figure a specific desk name because there will not be one. But that may not stop us for just adding in the desk number for our own reference.
Obviously we may not ever figure a specific desk name because there will not be one. But that may not stop us for just adding in the desk number for our own reference.
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Looking at the Broadcastify Calls logs:
XLS201 (Toronto COMPASS TMC, Arrow Road) RIDs active (Via Fonthill, Mississauga, Pontypool)
213991
213992
213993
213994
213995
XLS445 (London COMPASS TMC, Exeter Road) RIDs active (Via Fonthill to Patrol 15)
213998
This slide deck from the MTO provides the name and location for all MTO COMPASS TOC/TMCs and MTO Communications Centers.
This is dated 2014, and shows the Burlington TOC. Originally the QEW to Niagara cameras were on a coaxial cable based system that fed into Burlington. I suspect they are now modernized on fiber and feed into the new Arrow Road Central Region TOC/TMC, thus Burlington is likely closed now.
As other provincial MTO regions are moved to LMRN we'll see these show up:
XLS327 MTO Bancroft CC, 50 Monck Street
XMM849 MTO Ottawa TMC, 347 Preston Street
?????? MTO Sudbury TOC, 3767 Hwy 69 S
?????? MTO Thunder Bay TOC, 615 James Street North
Just to give an example. This is what I have for radio IDs currently for Comm Centres in Fleetnet Zone 2. Nothing past actual desk name or whatever, but just the radio ID for each dispatch console with a Radio ID. This should give everyone an idea what to look for when searching IDs of this nature. I have 1000s of others in my ID list of stuff from all over eastern ontario. Nowhere near complete, but there's lots more in there.
Kingston Centre Dispatch 1 12549
Kingston Centre Dispatch 2 12559
Kingston Centre Dispatch 3 13077
Kingston Centre Dispatch 4 15334
Kingston Centre Dispatch 5 36442
Kingston East Dispatch 1 12726
Kingston East Dispatch 2 15336
Kingston East Dispatch 3 15337
Kingston East Dispatch 4 15338
Kingston East Dispatch 5 15339
Kingston East Dispatch 6 15340
Kingston East Dispatch 7 15341
Kingston East Dispatch 8 35002
Kingston East Dispatch 9 36528
Kingston West Dispatch 1 12645
Kingston West Dispatch 2 15335
Lindsay CACC Dispctch 15327
MTO Dispatch - Bancroft 1 7010
MTO Dispatch - Bancroft 2 7011
MTO Dispatch - Bancroft 3 7013
MTO Dispatch - Bancroft 4 39393
MTO Dispatch - Ottawa 1 7009
MTO Dispatch - Ottawa 2 7012
MTO Dispatch - Ottawa 3 39383
North Bay Comm Centre 1 23468
North Bay Comm Centre 2 23469
North Bay Comm Centre 3 23470
North Bay Comm Centre 4 23472
North Bay Comm Centre 5 23473
North Bay Comm Centre 6 23474
Orillia Comm Centre 1 23460
Orillia Comm Centre 2 23461
Orillia Comm Centre 3 23462
Orillia Comm Centre 4 23464
Orillia Comm Centre 5 23465
Orillia Comm Centre 6 23467
Orillia Comm Centre 7 23481
Orillia Comm Centre 8 23483
Orillia Comm Centre 9 23484
Orillia Comm Centre 10 23485
Orillia Comm Centre 11 23486
Orillia Comm Centre 12 23487
Orillia Comm Centre 13 23488
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 1 13633
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 2 13781
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 3 13922
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 4 14065
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 5 15344
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 6 15345
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 7 15346
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 8 15347
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 9 15348
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 10 15349
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 11 15350
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 12 15351
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 13 15352
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 14 15353
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 15 15354
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 16 15355
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 17 15356
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 18 15357
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 19 15358
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 20 15359
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 21 35360
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 22 35364
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 23 36262
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 24 36360
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 25 36711
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 26 36792
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 27 36972
Ottawa CACC Dispatch 28 37581
Renfrew CACC Dispatch 1 15368
Renfrew CACC Dispatch 2 15369
Renfrew CACC Dispatch 3 15370
Renfrew CACC Dispatch 4 15371
Renfrew CACC Dispatch 5 15372
Renfrew CACC Dispatch 6 13579
Sault St. Marie Dispatch 1 28834
Sault St. Marie Dispatch 2 28835
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 11662
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 22231
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 22251
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23445
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23446
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23447
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23448
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23449
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23450
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23451
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23452
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23453
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23454
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23455
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23456
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23457
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 23463
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 29702
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 29708
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 29785
Smiths Falls Comm Centre 32353
Currently I am seeing activity on a new 14xxx talkgroup right now on the Hamilton tower.. 14021 with RID 600003/8/17/19/25 with encryption being used.
Matt
Matt
Muxlow
Super Secret
EMS has gone to the new system
21061/21062 are what I would assume are Win CITY and Win Essex
RID 773793 seems to be Windsor CACC on 21061
RID 773794 Windsor CACC on 21062
No action on the Sarnia/Wallaceburg/Chatham sites. Only Essex and Windsor
21061/21062 are what I would assume are Win CITY and Win Essex
RID 773793 seems to be Windsor CACC on 21061
RID 773794 Windsor CACC on 21062
No action on the Sarnia/Wallaceburg/Chatham sites. Only Essex and Windsor
Muxlow
Super Secret
Seeing some patches now.
Group 21065 patched with 23197
I'd guess thats one of the Windsor Tac channels to one of the hospitals
I've also seen 21064 patched with 23198
Forgot to mention AES Key ID 0E01 (3585) in use on all these groups.
They are now on the Chatham site, too. (Must be an Essex truck closer to Chatham tower and affiliating to that one now)
Seeing group 19078 (some opp group) off the Sarnia site now. Key ID 0301 (769)
I did see on Chatham site that OPP Tac 01 was active on FleetNet.. not sure if they were patched or not
Group 21065 patched with 23197
I'd guess thats one of the Windsor Tac channels to one of the hospitals
I've also seen 21064 patched with 23198
Forgot to mention AES Key ID 0E01 (3585) in use on all these groups.
They are now on the Chatham site, too. (Must be an Essex truck closer to Chatham tower and affiliating to that one now)
Seeing group 19078 (some opp group) off the Sarnia site now. Key ID 0301 (769)
I did see on Chatham site that OPP Tac 01 was active on FleetNet.. not sure if they were patched or not
Last time they moved over on a CACC by CACC basis. I'm guessing Wallaceburg will be next?
21060 is getting usage on the King City tower. (Just one talkgroup before the Windsor ones) Tried to check to see if it is also in Toronto but talkgroup 14002 (encrypted) is pounding away on Toronto tower.