You have a good point, and something that has always boggled my mind from day 1 on this site. I don't want to get too heated not too upset the mods, but there are a surprising amount of people on a scanner enthusiast site's forums that have the Ø symbol, or I *heart* Ø which seems oxymoronic and almost counter productive. I know posting something like this could possibly put a digital "target" on my back and create a prejudice against myself for those people. It's just, it's a scanner frequency website, and even though there a quite a few users who are also career radio techinicians, myself included, supporting open comms whenever possible should be the goal. Of course, there may be no choice when doing work for a business or agency and they want or already have Ø, but again, advocating for clear comms just makes sense on a scanner forum.
Los Angeles Regional Interoperable Communications System (LA-RICS) - Master Thread
Maybe someone can find a mission statement or something that restricts the site's purpose to scanner enthusiasts, but I don't see one. There are people here from the consumer as well as supply side of all kinds of radio communications. All contribute to it being useful. There's probably at least one "I hate/love Ø" thread open at any given time for people to discuss the topic. It would be nice if other threads didn't have to devolve into that as much.
True, but the advent of facebook-style "reactions"/emojis on this site makes it more obvious when someone "laughs" at a post where someone mentions something even as simple as that they noticed certain channels or freqs are ø or that a department has officially switched, etc. Just comes across as more-or-less condescending to the users that enjoyed listening to those particular freqs.
speedway_navigator
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Does anyone know if a private corporation that is required to generate revenue for its stock holders gets unencrypted access so it can generate ad sales by filling in the time between ads with 'news'?
Anyone know if the $400+ million in grants LA-RICS was hoping to get was actually awarded after the bidding restart?
urgentcomm.com
Anyone know if the $400+ million in grants LA-RICS was hoping to get was actually awarded after the bidding restart?
LA-RICS to restart bidding for LTE, P25 projects -- Urgent Communications article
The Los Angeles Regional Interoperable Communications System (LA-RICS) last week scrapped its procurement process in favor of rebidding.
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Looks like we lost Aero Dispatch Bureau TG318, it’s been silent for a few days and I’m getting Aero radio IDs on encrypted TG 2068 now. SUD has also been super silent, they may have switched to 2055.
They definitely seem to have a lot a flexibility in this system that Orange County's CCCS didn't get. OTAR, OTAP... all the bells and whistles. The Fleetsync App also has a resource document explaining how the APX users can manually request a rekey via the keypad. Was surprised to see that that is possible. With Orange Co. needing to physically touch every radio in order to disable ø, that would tell me that they haven't been re-keyed since they were deployed.
Floridasand
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I have never actually figured out what is not encrypted on this LA-RICS? What is left besides dispatch trunk groups now that LA-RICS seems to be in full operation? When will the RR database be updated next to include this new unfortunate change? I am very disappointed that so many fire department frequencies are now encrypted. I notice something else that I never saw before? When using the new waterfall display for the SDS200, I can see individual frequencies transmitting that show encrypted one minute, then if I stay on that frequency, the next time it transmits I show P25P2 but I can receive it where I can hear the transmission, How can the same same frequency be encrypted one minute and the P25P2 digital receive the next??? Any help in trying to understand this system better would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to salvage what is left for us to listen to. Thank you.
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Unfortunately SoCal is over with when it comes to scanning. Pretty much all of LA-RICS will be Encrypted. Most likely at least 95 percent. The other 5 percent will be Mutal Aid and some Interops and that will be it for this state of the art system moving forward. The only thing that will be left for the next couple of years is LAPD and then they will completely go silent too with nothing available. I would say LAFD too. I see why not at this point. Welcome to the new California State Order. LAPD will do excactly what NYPD and FDNY have done. The new Statewide CRIS Phase II system will follow exactly what LA-RICS looks like right now and will get worse as time goes on.
The next to watch is all of the LTR business band stuff going to DMR trunking and watch them all go too. This is the next block they will chip away at and this is no joke either. If you still love the hobby and you want to see yourself live a good life then you need to get moving eastbound and do not ever look back. It will not get better at this point. What you have seen in the past five years or so has completely blown sunny California away and its a complete loss and a mess. Not sure what else to say at this point. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer but the writing is all over the wall and the Db shows it too. You've seen how quiet ICI system has been lately. Make sense now
Merry Christmas to all of you scanner listners. What a treat it would be to get a new scanner. Nope. Waste of money and the 20.00 dollar water fall upgrade will not help you either.
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Engine104
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Once again, the LACoFD will not be operating on LA-RICS, for most operations. They have a new layout of analog, unencrypted UHF frequencies, many are ones that have been given up by the LASD when they moved to LA-RICS. The list is in the RR database, or I can post it here, if you want. Many of the freqs are active.
Re: LAPD/LAFD. My understanding is a new system is still a few years away and I've not read anything that indicates the LAFD will be a part of it, though I don't know for sure. Their PIOs are pretty open about things, so it might be good to see what they have to say. The LAFDs seem pretty happy with their 800 MHz frequencies, from what I have heard.
Scanning in SoCal is not dead, though the Cal Atty General's edict about PD encryption is making most LEO comms unavailable, sadly.
Re: LAPD/LAFD. My understanding is a new system is still a few years away and I've not read anything that indicates the LAFD will be a part of it, though I don't know for sure. Their PIOs are pretty open about things, so it might be good to see what they have to say. The LAFDs seem pretty happy with their 800 MHz frequencies, from what I have heard.
Scanning in SoCal is not dead, though the Cal Atty General's edict about PD encryption is making most LEO comms unavailable, sadly.
I've been listening and gotten several hits TG 318 in the clear today.
Floridasand
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I greatly appreciate the information. I did not see in RR where the new frequencies are listed but I am sure they have been incorporated into the latest database. I still don't understand the reasoning to encrypt fire like San Bernardino, Orange and other Counties have done, because I have had two times recently where I got out of unforeseen danger being able to listen to my scanner to know where the fire was less than a mile from my house and the root for evacuation. I don't think the L-Tac, A-TAC. and S-TAC should be encrypted either as those channels are again good for local information.. I was traveling once so my Wife was home alone but she heard on the scanner that someone was breaking into homes on our street so she made sure to close all the doors and windows. Now she has no way to know. The phone with all the apps are at least something but my Wife does not have any social media apps. Anyway, thanks for the information. I fully agree that private information should remain private but we have a right to know what is going on in our neighborhood and you would think that the LE would want thousands of additional eyes to report what they see. The police can't be everywhere.
Engine104
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I totally agree, Floridasand.
The new LACoFD channels are here in the RR database... Subcategory: County Fire/EMS/Future Use (Los Angeles County)
The new LACoFD channels are here in the RR database... Subcategory: County Fire/EMS/Future Use (Los Angeles County)
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monitor142
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ABD clear (318) is a patched TG ABD secure (2068). Same for SUD. They can be enabled or disabled at anytime.
patin
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I've also confirmed ABD is still in the CLEAR 12-26-23
Eng74
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SBCoFD is not encrypted. OCFA, AFR and all the other OC FD’s are encrypted.
Have the LASD C-Tac & A-Tac channels gone over to RICS as well?
patin
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Many months ago
clownpeenus
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And it was a very sad day for all of us.
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BLUE 8 DISPATCH. Sadly to say and that's it.
