Following up on my previous post, I checked the CLEMIS website. It states "The system is managed by the Radio Oversight Committee, which operates under the CLEMIS Advisory Committee." There is a link to the Radio Oversight Committee that shows the makeup of that committee.
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"Since EDACS has been around for awhile, at least longer than Opensky as far as I know doesn't it makes sense that Lansing's system would link seamlessly with MPSCS."
No, there's no connection at all. A link is a link. Links have been used for over 50 years.
"As long as both networks are up."
Many agencies have radios that handle both their regular frequencies and the Ingham Co, so interop is still good even if Ingham Co goes down. Lansing Fire did mutual aid in Eaton County and talked on Eaton's frequencies just fine.
"one network can not back up the other."
Well, if the MPSCS tower in Lansing goes down, nobody on MPSCS is going to be using the system. Odds of both MPSCS and Ingham Co EDACS simultaneously dropping offline are nil. But let's say it happens - they still have talkaround channels programmed.
"On top of that, every conversation (active talk-group or channel) that is linked uses up resources on both networks. Very wasteful channel wise"
I missed the smiley there. You are saying it's a bad idea, because two frequencies are being used at a time instead of just one?
No, there's no connection at all. A link is a link. Links have been used for over 50 years.
"As long as both networks are up."
Many agencies have radios that handle both their regular frequencies and the Ingham Co, so interop is still good even if Ingham Co goes down. Lansing Fire did mutual aid in Eaton County and talked on Eaton's frequencies just fine.
"one network can not back up the other."
Well, if the MPSCS tower in Lansing goes down, nobody on MPSCS is going to be using the system. Odds of both MPSCS and Ingham Co EDACS simultaneously dropping offline are nil. But let's say it happens - they still have talkaround channels programmed.
"On top of that, every conversation (active talk-group or channel) that is linked uses up resources on both networks. Very wasteful channel wise"
I missed the smiley there. You are saying it's a bad idea, because two frequencies are being used at a time instead of just one?
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rdale said:
An Open Sky, (or EDACS) system can not back up a P25 system because they use different subscriber equipment.
many areas with similar system have designed overlapping coverage and operational plan to allow one to support the others subscriber units in case of a failure.
When you have overlapping P25 and Opensky, that can not be done.
Yes, links are easy, but they also fail. Have the option of links, using each others system, or direct communications allows a much more robust plan.
If you rely on linking for every major even you end up tying up more channels than necessary. Why take up six channels (three on each system) when all you need is three channels to support the traffic. Maybe its not a big concern, but when you get into a situation where the system is busy, it is a issue.
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What REALLY Sucks....
What REALLY sucks is that our department and O.C. is so far commited to this Open Sky system that as our current radios get damaged our deparment is not sending them out to be fixed. Parts are not even made for our current radios anymore. So if a prep breaks, then we are down 1 prep and so on. They were so confident that the new system would be in for over 2 years now that they stopped sending them out. Open Sky sucks. Lets get something that works NOW, not potentially works years from now when they figure it out.
What REALLY sucks is that our department and O.C. is so far commited to this Open Sky system that as our current radios get damaged our deparment is not sending them out to be fixed. Parts are not even made for our current radios anymore. So if a prep breaks, then we are down 1 prep and so on. They were so confident that the new system would be in for over 2 years now that they stopped sending them out. Open Sky sucks. Lets get something that works NOW, not potentially works years from now when they figure it out.
Alpha432 said:
I suggest that you send that via email to the sheriff's department, they ought to read what you said. I think it makes a great point.
"If you rely on linking for every major even you end up tying up more channels than necessary."
Agreed. That's why you weigh options.
Transition county to MPSCS, which has it run by the state (always good to have control local) and only uses 3 channels instead of 6 during a major emergency of the type we get every year or two. Or run it locally, with guaranteed better coverage for mobiles and portable units which is needed 24/7/365.
Agreed. That's why you weigh options.
Transition county to MPSCS, which has it run by the state (always good to have control local) and only uses 3 channels instead of 6 during a major emergency of the type we get every year or two. Or run it locally, with guaranteed better coverage for mobiles and portable units which is needed 24/7/365.
MetroMike said:
Good post, and you are right. We got all the bugs out during the All-Star game, ironed out all the wrinkles during the SuperBowl, and the system shined during the World Series and an example of inter-operatibility.
Letter writint
You will do a lot better writing L. Brooks, or the county board of commisioners.
Or even better, someone that lives in the county write a letter to the Oakland Press. Glean all the good points from all these post. Empasis on the waste of taxpayers money. Talk at lengths in layman's terms about inter-operatibility. Reference other states problems. Talk it up that the MSPS system like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Writing the Sheriff and getting results that route will be like asking him to make himself look bad. He touted this system to the County Board and to the taxpayers.
Who looks bad if OpenSky was a bad choice?
Just remember, any letter has to come from a county voter.
Someone from outside Oakland County should expect their letter to end up in the "circular file cabinet".
SEMTTP said:
You will do a lot better writing L. Brooks, or the county board of commisioners.
Or even better, someone that lives in the county write a letter to the Oakland Press. Glean all the good points from all these post. Empasis on the waste of taxpayers money. Talk at lengths in layman's terms about inter-operatibility. Reference other states problems. Talk it up that the MSPS system like it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Writing the Sheriff and getting results that route will be like asking him to make himself look bad. He touted this system to the County Board and to the taxpayers.
Who looks bad if OpenSky was a bad choice?
Just remember, any letter has to come from a county voter.
Someone from outside Oakland County should expect their letter to end up in the "circular file cabinet".
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