I don't know Ron as I was out but wasn't Huntress. Seen this a few times before and most likely
just thru their Andrews CP 351.200 or 378.100.Prob just a practice exercise on routine mission.
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just thru their Andrews CP 351.200 or 378.100.Prob just a practice exercise on routine mission.
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Deportation flts????14:05 EST Just noticed this aircraft headed to Pittsburgh and another one of Oklahoma City
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Looks like round up time? Wouldn't surprise me if DOJ-35 goes to Portland Oregon.14:05 EST Just noticed this aircraft headed to Pittsburgh and another one of Oklahoma City
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They had trouble at their CBP detention Ctr the other night.
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1422- Venus 01 (VC-25 # 92-9000) pattern work or maintenance check flt at ADW.
Actually most of the deportation flights will be on other airlines (example Eastern Air Express ICAO code BBQ) but these could be moving some folks for deportation if they are in US prisons.
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What might this be? GABLES out of NAS Pax River the past 2 days
picture was taken in 2005 on wikipedia
What was the hex code for the aircraft ?
go to ADSBxchange and put in BBQ for call sign and filter by that - those four aircraft are probably deportation flight. Understand that these aircraft (most formerly operated by Swift Air now by its replacement Eastern Air Express) do this on a daily basis. Half of Swift Air's fleet was dedicated to deportation activities --- believe me they were my customer from the early 2000s and they had aircraft based in Arizona, Louisiana, Florida, Pennsylvania and a few other line stations nationwide (I cannot remember them all).
The problem with these government contract flights is that they generally are not trackable (like on FlightAware) -- there is a term used for these flights that I am trying to remember - give me a few hours and I will think of it.
In order for the deportation activity to meet the promised levels you would be seeing the number of aircraft times 10 to cover the expected numbers.
I tried to post a link in this message originally - but it showed every aircraft flying not the ones I wanted to show you...so you will have to manually put BBQ in the search area
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Was miscoded, 053977
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Yeah I posted the link incorrectly......the HAL 9000 made the error
Gables is Gables Engineering (so basically a defalut name shown) - I was not able to define the track too well and without any feed from Pax River with archives it is hard to tell.
The original aircraft, DOJ35 N738A, is one of the three main JPATS or ConAir aircraft, it transports federal prisoners, state prisoners in federal custody, or immigration cases in Federal Bureau of Prisons custody. It doesn't do flights for deportation to other countries.
Correct - its the immigration portion that may need paying attention to considering the current issues. I am not sure how they will transport immigration prisoners (from the Federal system) since the normal deportation aircraft do not have the accommodations like the JPATS aircraft are equipped with.....
Possible but unlikely as JPATS barely has capacity to do their own job, plus the retired Marshal's on those flights have limited jurisdiction.
well I was thinking more of the shackles and chains accommodations that the deportation aircraft (that also do football/basketball mostly college and other tourist flights) seating arrangement do not have - and the airline could not afford to swap out the seats for the JPATS accommodations.
this is the current Eastern fleet....they are adding aircraft back as they are able but that takes money to put the aircraft back into airworthiness condition - even if it was just operating back in early 2024. I left the Hex codes in (or added them as needed so they can be tracked).
Note they may not always use the BBQ callsign since generally they (Feds) prefer the operators use their tail numbers only for the missions.
Note they may not always use the BBQ callsign since generally they (Feds) prefer the operators use their tail numbers only for the missions.
To further clarify, JPATS (ConAir) planes do not actually have shackles and chains, as some movies have shown. The leg shackles and body chains are put on prisoners before entering the aircraft, prisoners are not chained into their seats. Persons being deported are handcuffed prior to boarding on the planes used to return them to their countries as well, but are not transported by the USMS planes.
If we want to get to playing the guessing game, now that the US Military has been deployed to protect the borders, they could pack them into a C17 and use that. It is better situated for shackles and chains as you suggest.
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