Motorola APX900 Question !

[MTS2000des]

End user servicing of public safety subscriber radios for professional use: attend the APX Subscriber Academy, obtain a GROL, and start investing in test equipment. Otherwise, find a local dealer who will work with your agency. One can legally obtain CPS from MSI but system keys and programming information should only come from authorized sources like system owners with written authorization. The system owners will also guide you as to any specific requirements for subscribers such as TDMA operation, radio authentication, required/supported encryption algorithms and provide valid IDs for the radios on their respective systems.

As far as "installing the features" the APX CPS tutorials and documentation covers this process and it's pretty straightforward once you have your upgrade in hand and only takes a few minutes.

 

[jasej]

Yes it takes time because someone at Mototola has to physically make the license key. 1-2 months is generous, I got mine after about 6 months.

This radio has Phase 1 but not Phase 2. Im also questioning whether thats the actual flash because you have invalid bits.

Hi, regarding this point, to really know what the radio has installed, speaking of licenses, is the only way by reading the radio with the CPS?

The other question is, I know I don't have, or won't have, access to the system information; that's handled by the administrators at that official office. But can I install options on the APX radios myself, like the APX1500 and APX900,and other models, so they integrate properly with the official system in use? Or is that also done by the system administrators?

Another question! Is it easy to buy those licenses, like the Phase 2 ones, and where can I buy them and how much do they cost?
It's possible that, since they're older radio models, someone might have some licenses lying around somewhere.
I don't know, that's just my opinion!

Thanks

 

[prcguy]

Hi, regarding this point, to really know what the radio has installed, speaking of licenses, is the only way by reading the radio with the CPS?

The other question is, I know I don't have, or won't have, access to the system information; that's handled by the administrators at that official office. But can I install options on the APX radios myself, like the APX1500 and APX900,and other models, so they integrate properly with the official system in use? Or is that also done by the system administrators?

Another question! Is it easy to buy those licenses, like the Phase 2 ones, and where can I buy them and how much do they cost?
It's possible that, since they're older radio models, someone might have some licenses lying around somewhere.
I don't know, that's just my opinion!

Thanks

For us regular mortals buying used Motorola radios for less than the ridicules retail prices, once you have the radio you can easily spend more than you paid for the radio when upgrading a few features.

 

[KE4ZNR]

Hi, regarding this point, to really know what the radio has installed, speaking of licenses, is the only way by reading the radio with the CPS?

The other question is, I know I don't have, or won't have, access to the system information; that's handled by the administrators at that official office. But can I install options on the APX radios myself, like the APX1500 and APX900,and other models, so they integrate properly with the official system in use? Or is that also done by the system administrators?

Another question! Is it easy to buy those licenses, like the Phase 2 ones, and where can I buy them and how much do they cost?
It's possible that, since they're older radio models, someone might have some licenses lying around somewhere.
I don't know, that's just my opinion!

Thanks

You say that you don't have access to the "system information because that's handled by the administrators at the official office". Then you should not be adding features to radios if you are not the system admin. You need to let those in charge of the system handle which features are added to the radio as some features could cause issues with the system. Just let those in charge know that you wish to add Phase 2 TDMA and they will advise if it can be done and who can add it.

 

[MTS2000des]

What he said. If the "official office" hasn't authorized end users to self maintain (including programming) than one should defer to the "official office" to get features added, radios programmed and provisioned, etc.

Doing otherwise is a bad band thing and in most cases, could even land one in handcuffs.

 

[jasej]

You say that you don't have access to the "system information because that's handled by the administrators at the official office". Then you should not be adding features to radios if you are not the system admin. You need to let those in charge of the system handle which features are added to the radio as some features could cause issues with the system. Just let those in charge know that you wish to add Phase 2 TDMA and they will advise if it can be done and who can add it.

Okay, very good answer, all of that helps me understand the world of APX radios better!

Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

 

[ecps92]

Okay, very good answer, all of that helps me understand the world of APX radios better!

Thanks for taking the time to explain it.

Keep in mind, it's not the World of APX, it's the world of having permissions to perform (XTS, XTL, APX, MTS - to keep it in the M world) functions that are controlled

 

[jasej]

What he said. If the "official office" hasn't authorized end users to self maintain (including programming) than one should defer to the "official office" to get features added, radios programmed and provisioned, etc.

Doing otherwise is a bad band thing and in most cases, could even land one in handcuffs.

Yes, that's correct!
That's what I would try to avoid, but sometimes, some people who have access to or are close to these types of radios ask for help resolving certain minor issues, like Motorola licenses, which they can't install on the equipment. And I'm certainly not referring to the official administrators!
What I'd ultimately like to know is if I can get my hands on these types of radios to enter an official purchase competition. That's what I'd also be looking for!
I've been involved with radios since those days of using diode boards to program them, even Motorola, but not with these APX radios and how they work!
Regards, and I'm still here.

Keep in mind, it's not the World of APX, it's the world of having permissions to perform (XTS, XTL, APX, MTS - to keep it in the M world) functions that are controlled

Okay, excellent point to consider!

Thanks

For us regular mortals buying used Motorola radios for less than the ridicules retail prices, once you have the radio you can easily spend more than you paid for the radio when upgrading a few features.

That's what I'm seeing; everything available as an option for APX radios is very expensive.
Is it worth it? It could be.

 

[MTS2000des]

Trunking subscriber radios are more like computers and cellular phones. They have specific software/hardware combos specific to the system(s) upon which they are intended to operate. Nothing like diode matrix programmable conventional radio applies here. Guidance towards purchasing subscribers should always be done in lock step with system operators. This is a hobbyist forum and professional advice for professional applications is better sought from professional sources local to you with your specific systems/network requirements in mind.

 

[prcguy]

That's what I'm seeing; everything available as an option for APX radios is very expensive.
Is it worth it? It could be.

If your buying a used radio it really needs to have all the options you need otherwise you go way off budget to add them from Motorola. Some people have friends who can fix you up for cheap or free but the details are not supposed to be discussed here.

 

[mmckenna]

What I'd ultimately like to know is if I can get my hands on these types of radios to enter an official purchase competition. That's what I'd also be looking for!

Can you elaborate on this?

Are you trying to bid government contracts with used radios? Or are you looking to bid work adding new features to their existing radios?

It's a little unclear what you are interested in doing here. You might get some more useful information if you can fill in some of the blanks you are leaving.

 

[jasej]

If your buying a used radio it really needs to have all the options you need otherwise you go way off budget to add them from Motorola. Some people have friends who can fix you up for cheap or free but the details are not supposed to be discussed here.

Okay, I understand that comment. I'll keep everything I've learned here, in this post, and thanks to all your help, friends.

Can you elaborate on this?

Are you trying to bid government contracts with used radios? Or are you looking to bid work adding new features to their existing radios?

It's a little unclear what you are interested in doing here. You might get some more useful information if you can fill in some of the blanks you are leaving.

Yes, my friend, something like bidding for new features on existing radios, or at one time, bidding for new radios...

If your buying a used radio it really needs to have all the options you need otherwise you go way off budget to add them from Motorola. Some people have friends who can fix you up for cheap or free but the details are not supposed to be discussed here.

Not in used radios, it would always be in new radios, but now, I think it's necessary to verify that at least 15 APX1500s have the TDMA P25 Phase 2 option installed!

 

[prcguy]

Not in used radios, it would always be in new radios, but now, I think it's necessary to verify that at least 15 APX1500s have the TDMA P25 Phase 2 option installed!

This is something you discuss with a Motorola dealer, not a hobby forum.

 

[jasej]

I've been watching videos of the APX Series radios and the Motorola Radio Management System, exploring the possibilities and capabilities of that Motorola system.

I still have a long way to go in this. I think!

This is something you discuss with a Motorola dealer, not a hobby forum.

Perfect, but still, I've learned a lot here with your explanations!

Thank you

Motorola distributors are very closed off on this topic!

But I'm sure I'll get my questions answered and keep going!

Blessings to all my friends in the group!

 

[mmckenna]

Yes, my friend, something like bidding for new features on existing radios, or at one time, bidding for new radios...

You might want to think this through a little more.

You'll be competing with Motorola dealers on this. The Motorola dealers get preferential pricing. You, as an outsider, will need to purchase through a dealer, who will mark up the price. Motorola won't give you better pricing than they do their own dealers.

If you are looking to break into the industry, you might want to try a different approach, like maybe going to work for one of the dealers, first.

 

[jasej]

You might want to think this through a little more.

You'll be competing with Motorola dealers on this. The Motorola dealers get preferential pricing. You, as an outsider, will need to purchase through a dealer, who will mark up the price. Motorola won't give you better pricing than they do their own dealers.

If you are looking to break into the industry, you might want to try a different approach, like maybe going to work for one of the dealers, first.

Okay my friend, thanks for your feedback on what I've posted and asked over the past couple of days!
I'm looking to sell to the government with the help of a good distributor, but I see that this is a closed market and it's kind of difficult, but not impossible!

Thanks, friend.
Blessings.

Okay my friend, thanks for your feedback on what I've posted and asked over the past couple of days!
I'm looking to sell to the government with the help of a good distributor, but I see that this is a closed market and it's kind of difficult, but not impossible!

Thanks, friend.
Blessings.

With your permission, I'll close the topic!

Regards