MotoTRBO and similar systems in Alberta

[bruce1225]

yah its a strong signal. and im just trying to decode with dsd. but no luck . hardware upgrade i needed

 

[harryshute]

Alberta Hospital (Edmonton) on 424.9875 has now gone Turbo.

 

[robertmac]

In the deep south and not so deep south of Calgary, have not heard any TRBO on 463.9375 over the past couple of months. However, am hearing it on the ATCO Gas frequencies in Calgary and Airdrie. And I won't comment on Rate Riders for ATCO Gas.

 

[Jay911]

It's sounding like ATCO has gone TRBO or at least DMR over a wide area - if not provincewide then at least all through the greater Calgary region. I've heard it on towers from Cochrane area thru to Vulcan and everywhere in between.

 

[SCPD]

Atco Gas sites are Edmonton have gone what sounds like NXDN.

 

[rabrol]

Atco Gas sites are Edmonton have gone what sounds like NXDN.

For voice comms or data? Can DSD decode them?

 

[SCPD]

I would assume both, but not 100% sure if NXDN supports both.

I haven't had the chance to fire up DSD yet, hopefully soon. But more then likely when the white stuff appears again.

 

[Jay911]

I would assume both, but not 100% sure if NXDN supports both.

I haven't had the chance to fire up DSD yet, hopefully soon. But more then likely when the white stuff appears again.

So next weekend?

I've submitted to remove the Calgary area ATCO Gas freqs from the conventional part of the DB and as soon as I can get my PSR800 programmed I'm going to see if I can't figure out if the signal down here is TRBO or NXDN or something else (and submit the result to the DB). So far with the PC/IF-Out neither Unitrunker (which at one time would show DMR or NXDN in the receiver window, but not decode it - not sure if that is gone) nor DMRDecode are coming up with anything... though I got a brief DMR indication with 50% bad frames at the top of the hour.

 

[kayn1n32008]

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It's sounding like ATCO has gone TRBO or at least DMR over a wide area - if not provincewide then at least all through the greater Calgary region. I've heard it on towers from Cochrane area thru to Vulcan and everywhere in between.

There was a press release last year about Atco awarding a wide area repeaters system contract to Kenwood. bidulock and I heard the site in Strathcona County last year, and when doing a side by side comparison with a known TRBO signal, you can hear the difference in the two signals.

 

[Jay911]

Well, Kenwood would be NXDN then, and DSD tried to tell me it had a NXDN96+ voice frame a moment ago, but no data came through.

 

[robertmac]

Well, my ears are not what they used to be and they never were really good for music [tone deaf]. But listening to ATCO in Calgary and NXDN out of Okotoks, they do not sound similar. But that doesn't mean ATCO in the Calgary area is not NXDN. And what could be throwing me off is these are CC and I have never heard NXDN CC. I also have a strong digital signal on 153.59 which is also listed to ATCO. Lately, since the golfing season, I hear TRBO on 462.0875 which I had loaded in years ago as Heritage Pointe Golf Club. Never was interesting to listen to so won't miss this one.

 

[robertmac]

Sounds like Heritage Park in Calgary [not to be confused with Heritage Pointe Golf Course] has gone TRBO. Started hearing this last week and today. Not really sure why they had to but. All this Digital is starting to peeve me off. Similar to the 80s when digital first came in and the FM scanners became useless. Now seems like even the LAD frequencies have the yipping yapping coyotes invading these frequencies and playing their music. Yuk. Didn't have time to really look into the digital sound for Heritage Park so will try to see more tomorrow is work cooperates.

 

[Jay911]

Sounds like Heritage Park in Calgary [not to be confused with Heritage Pointe Golf Course] has gone TRBO.

They've had a 7K60FXE license for a while now - surprised it took this long. I was hearing analog on that freq 2 weeks ago.

As for "why?" - because TRBO salesmen are very, very good at their jobs. Nothing else.

 

[Jay911]

Here's what is showing up with 7K60FXEDT within 100km of the center of Calgary as of right now.

The file includes licensees:

BP Centre
Jamieson Place
Intact Inc
Livingstone Place
Bearspaw Country Club
The Bow Tower
Brookfield Properties
Chinook Centre
Caltronics (for Airport Tunnel Project)
Encana Tower Security
Heritage Park
H&R Property Management
Kneehill Regional Emergency Services
Mount Royal University Aviation Department
Pengrowth Quirk Creek Gas Plant
Scotia Centre
Shaw Communications Airways (32 & Barlow)
Southcentre Mall
Supply Chain Management (Whitehorn as well as 18 St x 119 Av NE)
University of Calgary Security

 

[robertmac]

And Heritage Park has switched their noisy comms from 164.37 to 165.18, not that it matters with TRBO.

 

[kayn1n32008]

Baytex energy is using UHF TRBO out between Cynthia and Drayton Valley. I have not done a TAFl search to verify frequencies, but at their plant site, in the control room, they had a TRBO mobile, and UHF TRBO portables. While there heard both the control room operator and field units talking and it was digital mode. Receive audio (digital) is actually pretty decent, better than Provoice for sure.


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[Jay911]

Their license implies 451.975, but as with many licenses, doesn't have the right emissions for TRBO/DMR.

 

[kayn1n32008]

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Their license implies 451.975, but as with many licenses, doesn't have the right emissions for TRBO/DMR.

Did not have a chance to hunt for the frequency in the field today. They also should have VHF as well, unless it is for radio controlled roads, but there is no mistaking a R-split antenna in a sea for K-Split HT-1000's...

 

[robertmac]

Driving around in and around Red Deer today, heard TRBO on 153.800 which shows up as Samson [Hobbema], however, Databases still list this as FM. Didn't hear any other TRBO on frequencies I have not locked.

 

[harryshute]

Somewhat Similar to Jay's list here is my list for the Edmonton area. It may be far from complete so feel free to add users.

Alberta Hospital (Edmonton)
Capital Taxi
EIA (YEG) Fire
EIA Duty Manager
Enoch Cree Casino Security
Fort Saskatchewan Fire
Glentel (Community Police Radio Network)
Imperial Oil
Lamont County
Leduc Fire and EMS
NAIT Peace Officers
Royal Alex Hospital
St. Albert Sturgeon Hospital
Sampson Fire and EMS (Louis Bull Reserve)
Two Hills County
U of A Campus Patrol trunked
U of A Hospital
West Edmonton Mall, Security still analog
Westcan Two Way radio

On Saturday I guess we will find out if we will be able to monitor these on a new Uniden scanner.