New Collier County P25

[APX8000]

From the CCSO social media page:
As you know, the Collier County Sheriff’s Office strives to share as much information as possible with our community.

However, as a matter of officer safety our public safety radio traffic is now encrypted. This means individuals with police scanners or scanner apps will no longer hear CCSO radio traffic.

I always find this “officer safety” throw down to be complete crap. So I decided to FOIA Collier County Sheriffs Office. I had three specific questions:

1). The number of times an individual was arrested for using a scanner during the commission of a crime during the last 5 years. Particularly 843.167(1)(a) and (b).

ONE

2). The number of civilian complaints against Sheriff’s Deputies during the last 5 years.

There have been 601 civilian complaints during this timeframe.

3). The number of internal investigations against Sheriff’s Deputies during the last 5 years that were substantiated and resulted in disciplinary action.

There have been 262 sustained internal investigations during this timeframe.

So, where is the transparency ? I would say that the “officer safety” terminology being thrown out is just another way for agencies to give the public the warm and fuzzy. I’ll also bet that if I FOIA the majority of the SO’s in Florida, my data will also be the same.

Now, I’m NOT against encryption. I 100% believe there is a need for encrypted radio traffic, especially for covert operations such as narcotics, SWAT/SRT, etc. But the statistics don’t support regular everyday dispatch going ENC. I believe the Public has a right to know what is going on in their own backyard and the statistics actually show that more oversight is needed.

I don’t live in Collier County. But I’ll bet that someone with half a brain can bring this data to the County Commissioners and ask questions. Put pressure on politicians, one of which is the Sheriff himself.

Or do nothing...

Just my .02

 

[rr60]

Really? Calm. The newspaper has a live feed, other sites (FB Twitter) have live feeds and uhhh how about officer safety. How about let the Department heads manage as they see fit. The Sheriff has on FB stated FOIA will be responded too. Social media disclosure would be increased and it has. Give me a break micro managers. Calm. Bourbon or whiskey please.Just my 02.

 

[APX8000]

Where is your officer safety claim for routine dispatch channels? Yes, I know that no call is "routine." But do you think an encrypted radio would have stopped the scumbag who walked up to NYPD MOS sitting in a marked unit and just opened fire? Tell me your "officer safety" concerns for encrypting? The statistics show that ONE person in 5 years was charged with using a scanner during the commission of a crime. So post up your reasons other than "officer safety" blanket terminology.

I know when I raised my right hand, I took a certain oath. Part of that is public trust...read the Law Enforement Officer Code of Ethics. While Florida has very broad open records laws, many departments are getting embarrassed when the news plays audio clips from scanner feeds where they may have been in the wrong. That is the reason many agencies are encrypting, to control what is released. Last I checked, the Sheriff works for us....we elect him. Considering the number of sustained internal investigations, I'd say he needs to manage better and have more transparency.

And as I stated, I'm not against encryption. Again, I 100% believe there is a need for certain talkgroups to be encrypted. Narcotics, SWAT, covert ops, etc. But for everyday dispatch, I think the public trust outweighs the "officer safety" claim that I'm waiting to hear about.

 

[tampabaynews]

I would also ask if they would consider leasing radios to the local media. I'm willing to bet the answer would be no. It's all about control of information and nothing more. You can't inquire about incidents or request records about an event that you don't even know occurred in the first place. Law enforcement agencies are terrible when it comes to news judgment so good luck with the "we'll let you know when something is happening."

 

[APX8000]

Exactly. I don’t see a mention of the 600 plus citizen complaints on their social media page, only all the great things they do. And they do ALOT of great things...every agency does. But they are not going to post the bad, hence the need for a little more transparency so the public, media, etc can ask questions when they need to be asked.

 

[rr60]

Let’s move this towards the facts on this new system as the DB is slim and already outdated. I will make a DB submission for additions and updates. I believe Site 10 RFSS 10 is simulcast multi site. The below sites are single site with exception of 10/10. A few sites are missing yet such as Immokalee and Everglades.


856.7625 Collier CC
RFSS/Site 32/32
Covers Broward to MM 80
WACN/SYS 597956/10
Hex 91FC4/A
At MM 63 Rest Area
“I-75 East”



851.0875 Collier CC
RFSS/Site 34/34
WACN/SYS 597956/10
Hex 91FC4/A
At MM 80 I-75 Exit 80
Rt.29 “ I-75 Central”.



856.4375 Collier CC
RFSS/Site 10/10
MM 101 I-75
WACN/SYS 597956/10
Hex 91FC4/A
At MM 100 Exit 101
“Naples Simulcast”

 

[RFBURNS2]

The P25 TG’s mirror the EDAC’s channel layout plan. I have been compiling the layout and will post update in future. The Fire EMS Dispatch TG 13005 had no two tone. Station alerting was being done with old VHF (signal has been getting weaker and weaker) and CAD. Recently however TG 129 on the P25 noted with two tone signaling for Fire EMS alerts.

 

[RFBURNS2]

The database has a new update. It now includes Fire Tac P25 TG’s. Working on Ops channels next. Also I have been looking at tone pairs. It seems some of the RR DB pairs are different than what I am decoding. Due to volume of traffic I have successfully programmed G5 w local station pair and decodes well on P25. Paging Tones on new TG 129 stable as a rock. Work in progress.

 

[6Paul21]

Could someone please check the system ID as shown in RR data as 00a and when loading into my G5 it will not load and comes back as just a. Right now I am using wildcard.
Thanks Ed

 

[Bolt21]

What happened to Tac 8? Are they superstitious?

 

[rr60]

The database has been updated. It now includes Fire Tac P25 TG’s. Working on Ops channels next. Also I have been looking at tone pairs. It seems some of the RR DB pairs are different than what I am decoding. Due to volume of traffic I have successfully programmed G5 w local station pair and decodes well on P25. Paging Tones on new TG 129 stable as a rock. Work in progress.

Could someone please check the system ID as shown in RR data as 00a and when loading into my G5 it will not load and comes back as just a. Right now I am using wildcard.
Thanks Ed

ED.....Tab 2 on PPS WACN 91FC4 SYS A then for the site.. Alias Name Site 10 RFSS A Site A... Will work like a charm.

 

[RFBURNS2]

Two new Control Channels's discovered for site 10 the simulcast site. 854.3625 and 856.9375. Site 10 now up to 7 CC's. DB submission made. Also have a new site Site 35. I believe it is on the East Trail down south but need to verify. I also think some radios may not have all the site 10 CC's as some subs we complaining about a countywide radio problem today. An alternative is to program all 25 P25 licensed to the county as CC's.

1	854.33750
2	854.36250
3	854.41250
4	854.43750
5	854.46250
6	856.43750
7	856.43750
8	856.48750
9	856.76250
10	856.93750
11	856.96250

11	856.96250
12	857.48750
13	857.76250
14	857.96250
15	858.03750
16	858.76250
17	858.93750
18	858.96250
19	859.43750
20	859.48750
21	859.76250

22	860.43750
23	860.48750
24	860.76250
25	860.96250

 

[Bolt21]

I'm still curious about Tac 8....

 

[RFBURNS2]

Yet another new CC today for site 10. 860.7625 DB submission made.

 

[RFBURNS2]

Added all the Fire Ops channels to the DB today. Also have two tone paging up and running on the G5 w TG 129. Medflight 769.1 788.5.

 

[RFBURNS2]

Another site pinned down with a few more remaining. This site does not seem to have any affiliations from Fire EMS or any other non encrypted TG’s. Meanwhile new TG’s continue transitioning off the EDACS, some non LEO in the clear. DB on this site 35 has been made.

854.4625 Collier CC 854.7375 857.0625 ALT
RFSS/Site 35/35
WACN/SYS 597956/10
Hex 91FC4/A
“Lely”

 

[RFBURNS2]

Collier P25 system has been in site trunking all day. I can hear a couple sites and each are site trunking stand-alone. RID of console positions no longer the usual. It looks like they are using portable RID’s from the dispatch center.Hmmm wonder what’s up.