New Jersey Interoperability Communication System (NJICS)

[NYC4FUN]

Its decoding somewhere on the system as its shown in the alias stats file.

And can that be batch loaded into ProScan, somehow? Say you run it for 1-2 weeks and then import the aliases.

 

[GTR8000]

The NJICS only broadcasts console aliases, not subscribers.

And no, OTA aliases for ASTRO 25 systems are not deployed "by individual subsites" (I think you probably meant site; subsite refers to one of multiple physical sites that make up a simulcast cell).

OTA aliases is a per-system option that is enabled/disabled within the Radio Capabilities Profile. Systems can have multiple profiles that subscribers are assigned to, ergo you may have a subset of subscribers with OTA enabled and some disabled. As per usual, nothing cut and dry with these very complex systems.

 

[rr60]

That is outstanding thanks. Hypothetically if Elizabeth who primarily use Site 7 decided to enable this feature in subscribers profiles would it work, or can it be inhibited system wide? I wonder if Group Services option is related.

 

[GTR8000]

Again, sites has nothing to do with the OTA aliases; it's done at the system level within Provisioning Manager on a subscriber basis. Specifically the Radio Capabilities Profile Security Group(s) must have the Radio Alias Update parameter set to enabled. If the system has only one Radio Capabilities Profile, then it applies to the entire system. If there are multiple Radio Capability Profiles (most likely the case), then the feature can be enabled individually for each profile, and thus would only apply to a subset of subscribers.

In your example, Elizabeth would need to have their own unique profile in order to enable OTA aliases (or be part of a profile that has the feature enabled). Of course this would need to be enabled by someone with access to Provisioning Manager and the ability to make changes to the Radio Capabilities Profile, which would most likely be the state themselves, not individual agencies.

Group Services is the APX subscriber feature that must be purchased in order to display the OTA aliases in the radios. If Elizabeth has Group Services in their APX radios and they enabled decoding of OTA aliases, they would see whatever the state provisioned to be encoded. In this case, console aliases.

 

[rr60]

Copy that, all most interesting. Thanks.

 

[rr60]

Martinsville Site 28 has not been broadcasting a bandplan for sometime.

I have tried various manual bandplan entries to no avail in my Uniden.
All seem to have the same end result, the radio will sit on the control channel and display the proper TG’s, the frequency that the radio auto tunes to to pass audio is always the wrong frequency so of course no audio is passed.

I have found three possible plans. The RR DB for Site 28. This is slightly different
than what UT shows as the “common” for other ICS sites. UT reports 0 as the starting channel not 1. The other source is the RR Wiki which is slightly different as a common plan.

Anyone been down this road? Thanks.

 

[GTR8000]

The band plan is identical for every NJICS site. ASTRO 25 band plans are set on a per-zone basis, not a per-site basis. Some software displays the first element as 0, some as 1...same difference, just adjust the ID of each element to match up. Oh and the correct band plan is already in the RRDB for every site and has been for a very long time, so there's that too.

 

[rr60]

The band plan is identical for every NJICS site. ASTRO 25 band plans are set on a per-zone basis, not a per-site basis. Some software displays the first element as 0, some as 1...same difference, just adjust the ID of each element to match up. Oh and the correct band plan is already in the RRDB for every site and has been for a very long time, so there's that too.

Never doubted the DB for one moment. One and the same, explains that.
I shall try try again..Thanks.

 

[GTR8000]

Note that Uniden made the decision many, many years ago to allow OTA band plans to overwrite anything you program for P25 sites. Does this mean that the scanner will zero out all of your entries when it doesn't receive any IDEN_UP data for Site 28? Who knows, but it's a possibility. I suggest programming the correct band plan, let the scanner run for a while and verify if it tunes to traffic channels, then read the scanner back to see if it retained the "custom" band plan or if it wiped it out. You may be SOL with a Uniden on that particular site (or any sites that don't broadcast IDEN_UP messages).

The state really should've fixed that issue long ago, but here we are.

 

[rr60]

All great ideas to try. I believe SOL rules the day. The custom plan verified. Read reread and reloaded. Proper frequency auto tune is a no go. That dog don’t hunt. Glad to have had the input, I would have even had less hair. TY.

 

[Pursuit]

Site 17 is offline going on 30 minutes....

 

[GTR8000]

Site 17 looks fine here...856.45625 active control channel

 

[K2NEC]

Definitely not offline

 

[Pursuit]

Site 17 looks fine here...856.45625 active control channel

Thank you. Updated and fixed!

 

[slingshot202]

TG 5475 on WO? UID 218XXX - Fairview Fire or EMS maybe?

 

[rr60]

I have not listened to verify, however there is activity throughout November on 5475 Site 1. RID 2180xxx. Maybe a dozen radios. The PD is using the same prefix and is in the DB.

A friend here on RR share intel. It has been tagged Fairview.

What I have is not enough to make a DB submission.

 

[njscanmaster]

I have not listened to verify, however there is activity throughout November on 5475 Site 1. RID 2180xxx. Maybe a dozen radios. The PD is using the same prefix and is in the DB.

A friend here on RR share intel. It has been tagged Fairview.

were do you live in New Jersey ?

I have not listened to verify, however there is activity throughout November on 5475 Site 1. RID 2180xxx. Maybe a dozen radios. The PD is using the same prefix and is in the DB.

A friend here on RR share intel. It has been tagged Fairview.

What I have is not enough to make a DB submission.

 

[RadioDitch]

Note that Uniden made the decision many, many years ago to allow OTA band plans to overwrite anything you program for P25 sites.

Doesn't happen with my manually entered band plans on my SDS200's... (shrug)

 

[rr60]

Doesn't happen with my manually entered band plans on my SDS200's... (shrug)

As a result of this I looked further. Indeed manually entering NJICS Bandplans (although not needed) on my SDS200 works like a charm after a brief delay as they transmit a bandplan.

Thanks again @GTR8000 for the following tid bit. on 🎯 re #28.

“You may be SOL with a Uniden on that particular site (or any sites that don't).”

 

[GTR8000]

I don't believe I've checked the SDS series to see what happens to a manually entered P25 band plan. I recall other models would clear out any custom/manual P25 band plan once the scanner started decoding the control channel. This was verified by entering a band plan into the scanner, scanning the system, then checking the band plan again to see any differences. Perhaps if a site is not broadcasting any band plan, the scanner will leave the custom one intact as there is nothing to overwrite.

Tbh Uniden has been so flaky since Paul died that I can't keep track of all the quirks and bugs.