Official BCD996T Prerelease Thread

[John_M]

Voyager Wrote:

I gotta ask... HOW do you know that?

Details could change during development that could result in the addition or removal of features, or changes in the way specific features are implemented. The information is provided as a courtesy to all those interested, but nothing is "official" until the product actually is delivered.

What does this tell you?

 

[rdale]

It doesn't tell me they've not put one together for playing around with if that's what you are reading into it...

 

[John_M]

Do they have a working prototype? The answer is No. Either that or it wouldn't be still in developement and UPMans statement wouldn't have been said.

I'm sure they have something to "Play" with and test features. But all of these features have to come together as one. This hasn't been done yet.

 

[rdale]

Glad we got that settled, even though I wonder who on the Uniden team is slipping you the inside info on their lack of a prototype!

 

[John_M]

rdale Wrote:

Glad we got that settled, even though I wonder who on the Uniden team is slipping you the inside info on their lack of a prototype!

UPMan.

 

[UPMan]

Don't be crediting me with that. I'm totally silent on the issue.

 

[Voyager]

Details could change during development that could result in the addition or removal of features, or changes in the way specific features are implemented. The information is provided as a courtesy to all those interested, but nothing is "official" until the product actually is delivered.

What does this tell you?

It tells me they can't commit to the feature list as posted. It says nothing about the existance of a prototype.

The specs of the 396 (changes in the way specific features are implemented) changed AFTER there were units shipped and in the hands of the owners! Surely there were prototypes, alpha units, and beta units before the production units (or at least some of those). The fact that features can change is not related to the existance of a prototype.

Joe M.

 

[John_M]

Voyager Wrote:

The specs of the 396 (changes in the way specific features are implemented) changed AFTER there were units shipped and in the hands of the owners! Surely there were prototypes, alpha units, and beta units before the production units (or at least some of those).

I agree.

The fact that features can change is not related to the existance of a prototype.

Joe I disagree. A working prototype. All features included working, does not exist at this time.

 

[rdale]

Are you done yet? Since you have _no_ connection to Uniden, and have _no_ knowledge whether or not one exists, and _nobody_ cares whether or not one does exist - I think you need to realize how your postings make you look...

 

[ofd8001]

Aw come on, give Uniden a break!

If you've done any looking around, you must have seen a picture - even Upman's icon is a representation. How can they photograph something that doesn't exist?

After seeing some of the posts on Uniden's products, I can understand why they are hedging. It seems that there's always someone out there waiting to bust their chops over something.

Another good reason why they are non-committal on exact features. I'm sure they must do beta testing before the product is released. I'm sure that during the beta testing some of the features they put in don't work as well as they would like them to. So they take them out of the final version. There could be features they think are good, but the beta testers suggest they take them out.

Look at it another way too. Maybe there's even more features that they are contemplating. We all are thinking they make take some away - they could add more.

Here's another reason why I think they gotta have some prototypes. If they want to release this thing in March, they probably want several months of beta testing under their belts first. So if you backtrack from March to now, that's 4 or 5 months, not unreasonable for such testing.

 

[John_M]

rdale Please.

Are you done yet? Since you have _no_ connection to Uniden, and have _no_ knowledge whether or not one exists, and _nobody_ cares whether or not one does exist - I think you need to realize how your postings make you look

First of all you don't talk to me that way.

Second of all everybodyelse has no connections to Uniden either but they state there opinions.

So, tell me Mr. RDale how do my postings make me look to you? Please give me a pm I'm dying to hear it. I won't send you any PM back no matter how rediculous I think it is.

Mr. RDale, I have a 4 year electronics engineering degree and 12 years experience in an engineering unit at Kodak and 2 years experience in production. I just telling you what I think.

 

[John_M]

ofd8001 Wrote:

If you've done any looking around, you must have seen a picture - even Upman's icon is a representation. How can they photograph something that doesn't exist?

Easy Concept drawing.

After seeing some of the posts on Uniden's products, I can understand why they are hedging. It seems that there's always someone out there waiting to bust their chops over something.

I'm not busting anybody's chops.

Another good reason why they are non-committal on exact features. I'm sure they must do beta testing before the product is released. I'm sure that during the beta testing some of the features they put in don't work as well as they would like them to. So they take them out of the final version. There could be features they think are good, but the beta testers suggest they take them out.

Look at it another way too. Maybe there's even more features that they are contemplating. We all are thinking they make take some away - they could add more.

Here's another reason why I think they gotta have some prototypes. If they want to release this thing in March, they probably want several months of beta testing under their belts first. So if you backtrack from March to now, that's 4 or 5 months, not unreasonable for such testing.

Geez all I said is I don't think they have a working prototype right now. That is what I think.
Disagree if you want to. If you don't want to disagree and argue then I'm not in.

 

[rdale]

"all I said is I don't think they have a working prototype right now"

No, you declared (repeatedly) that they DO NOT. Nothing about "thinking" they don't. And you've edited several of your posts to make that point. Anyways - whether or not they do has NOTHING to do with anything. So I'm not sure why you continue...

 

[John_M]

rdale Wrote:

"all I said is I don't think they have a working prototype right now"

No, you declared (repeatedly) that they DO NOT. Nothing about "thinking" they don't. And you've edited several of your posts to make that point. Anyways - whether or not they do has NOTHING to do with anything. So I'm not sure why you continue.

No, you declared (repeatedly) that they DO NOT. Nothing about "thinking" they don't.

Now does this make any sense???

So I'm not sure why you continue.

Whether or not I continue or not is not up to you.

Voyager asked me a question and I answered it.

 

[n0gps]

bc996t and garmin gps

All the newer garmin gps units especially the color units like the etrex vista c unit use a
usb to mini usb port for the data.

I hope that uniden is aware of that !!! also the garmin unit can draw the voltage to operate the gps from the usb connection !!!

n0gps

 

[kikito]

If you've done any looking around, you must have seen a picture - even Upman's icon is a representation. How can they photograph something that doesn't exist?

What we've been seeing looks nothing like a picture, it looks like a VERY computer generated conceptual drawing.

 

[Voyager]

Easy Concept drawing.

Geez all I said is I don't think they have a working prototype right now. That is what I think.
Disagree if you want to. If you don't want to disagree and argue then I'm not in.

On the first point, I have to go with JM - the pic is clearly NOT a pic, but a conceptual drawing.

On the second, I have to agree with Rob. You, JM, stated in no uncertain terms that they did not have a prototype at all (hency my question of how can you KNOW that), not that you didn't think they did.

There was a pic of a mockup BCD396T taken at the CES in Las Vegas. It was clearly not a working model, YET Paul Opitz said he did have a working prototype with him that costs $65,000! That was 6 months before the release of the BCD396T. There was no published pic of the BCD396T at that time

At Dayton 2005 (Mid May) Paul had a late prototype BR330T. It didn't have the final NASCAR logo, but it did have a B&W NASCAR logo. That was 4.5 months before release.

Here we sit 6 months before the release of the BCD996T, and you state in no uncertain terms that they have no prototype. History indicates that they likely DO, but just aren't showing it to the public yet.

Working prototypes, by definition, are not final versions of the unit. The features are subject to change. As I said before, they changed on the BCD396T AFTER release to the public. If they can change after release, they can surely change before release during development. In the case of the FTO feature, enhancements were made to the feature AFTER the release. I'm sure those features were not in the prototype or they would have existed in the production units from the start.

Joe M.

 

[wesct]

maybe, everybody will have to wait for the ces show in january to see what uniden has decided to do with this radio.

wesct

 

[scannerfreak]

Ok guys, I think it's time to move on....Let's drop the whole proto-type discussion. Thanks!

 

[tennesseefreq]

Ok guys, I think it's time to move on....Let's drop the whole proto-type discussion. Thanks!

I agree!!!!