Official Fire Tone-Out Discussion

[MEBUCKO]

tone outs

I remember seeing all the tone out frequencies for Montgomery County Maryland and I thought it was on R.Rs site. Was it ever here? Can some body help me find them?
I will be getting my BCD396T soon and that will be one of the first things I try to install.
This is only my 2nd post but I love reading the information you all offer.
Thanks for all your help
Mark

 

[dgoodson]

What are these tones?

Can someone give me a "second opinion" on the frequencies of the tones in the attached .wav file?

Every time I record and figure them out, I get the same answer, but whenI plug them into the radio, it never trips, even though the other tones for the same department all trip reliably. I figure I must be overlooking something simple.

TIA

 

[pboy]

Can someone give me a "second opinion" on the frequencies of the tones in the attached .wav file?

Every time I record and figure them out, I get the same answer, but whenI plug them into the radio, it never trips, even though the other tones for the same department all trip reliably. I figure I must be overlooking something simple.

TIA

Recording was kind of fuzzy and modulated low, so the closest I could decode is 416.9/741.3.

 

[VanDanny]

FTO Issues Need Help !!! LONG GROUP CALLS

Hi All


I am trying to set up the FTO on the 396. I am having luck with the 2 tone it is working great.

The issue is that the group call is about 8 seconds long and I have placed it in the B setting with the correct tone and A set at 0. The radio will NOT alert on the group LONG call. But will work on the same channel with the 2 tone. the channel that I am using is a paging repeater in the 154. band

Here are the setting that I am using


FD -- ALL CALL -- 154.9000 FM ATT off Delay 5 TONE A 0000 TONE B 330.5

Yes, I do have the correct tones programmed as I got them for the radio tech. I am using the Butel basic software to program the radio. What I am I doing wrong? Has anybody else had this issue.


Intresting note: is that I have recorded the tones and can replay them back on the laptop and then I use a FRS radio to rebroadcast to check to see if I have got the correct tones and this seems to work well on the 2 tone and the radio will ALERT just like it is in the VHF Mode. But will not ALERT also on the long tone.... This works great for testing the radio.... Just a hint for all you people reading this.



When I swithch it the scanner back to the 154.9 I get all the 2 tone ALERTS but not the long tones.


Cheers



Van

 

[Don9330]

Is There Any Way To Set Fire Tone Outs On A Bc246t On Motorolla Type Ii Smartnet, Analog Systems ?

And, If So How Would I Go About Doing It. . And Finding Out The Tone's ?

I'm In California (san Bernardeno County) Public Safety System -09
I'd Be Looking For Tone -outs For The City's Of Upland, Rancho, Montclair

Thanks.

 

[JHaislet]

I don't think the BC246T does fire tone-out paging.

As far as handhelds go, it's the BC330T or BCD396T in the Uniden line.

 

[DaveIN]

I don't think the BC246T does fire tone-out paging.

As far as handhelds go, it's the BC330T or BCD396T in the Uniden line.

True, and you can't use the fire tone out feature on trunked radio systems, only conventional analog systems.

 

[DaveNF2G]

No scanner is capable of decoding fire tone-outs on trunked systems.

EDIT: We must have been typing at the same time!

 

[stroh]

I would also like to voice my request to change the delay times in FTO Setup to something greater than 5 seconds. Our dispatches are simulcast on a VHF frequency and a trunked frequency. There is an alert tone activated only on the trunked frequency before the voice dispatch so it takes more than 5 seconds before the dispatch takes place on the VHF frequency.

Perhaps options like: None, 2, 5, 10, 30, Infinite

 

[JHaislet]

I agree, it should be simple for Uniden to simply change the timing that it holds the toned frequency open. I too sometimes miss the actual page due to dispatch delays in telling what's being paged out.

I'd actually like Uniden to make the hold-time user-settable, just like it is when scanning different systems. For example, you simply key-in the hold-time you want in seconds; 1-900 would be great. That would give you up to 15-minutes to listen to the incident response without having mess with the scanner. Then it would simply return back to FTO mode automatically while waiting for the next call.

This would work great for the FTO system I monitor as all fire/ems communications are handled on the same tone-out frequency. It probably wouldn't be as helpful for departments that have completely separate frequencies for tone-out and communications.

 

[ex8010]

Can someone give me a "second opinion" on the frequencies of the tones in the attached .wav file?

Every time I record and figure them out, I get the same answer, but whenI plug them into the radio, it never trips, even though the other tones for the same department all trip reliably. I figure I must be overlooking something simple.

TIA

416.9 / 746.8

 

[ex8010]

Fire toneout Questions

1. What is the accuracy of the decoder (i.e. how far from an entered tone will the radio trip) I've found -10 to +20 hz. has this been discussed before?

2. When scanning various tones on the same frequency, will the radio trip if the tones are transmitted while that tone combo isn't present on the display? The scan speed for this feature looks extremely slow. If I have 10 combos in an scanning, and tones are transmitted that only last 0.75sec * 0.25sec, will the scanner reliably trip?

3. Why only ten pairs?

4. Are there plans to further develop this feature in the future?

5. can DTMF decode be much of a stretch?

6. I've found the program audacity to be excellent for recording and decoding

http://audacity.sourceforge.net/download/

 

[floydpink999999]

416.9 / 746.8

416.9 is not in the 'Motorola Quick Call 2 One Plus One' table.

746.8 is Reed Code 125 in the same table.

I would re-check the first code. Doesn't look right and scanner certainly won't trip on it.

HTH, Anabella M.

 

[floydpink999999]

I have measured your tones at 419.46 and 741.97 with G-tune which is very accurate for all other tones that I have sampled.

And those are not in the table either.

Anabella M.

 

[ex8010]

I've been using this list:

http://www.iinc.com/ggcomm/reeds.html

which is a conglomeration of the types of tones.

Again, what is the tolerance of the decoding done by the BCT 15? i've been able to trip it from -10 to + 20 off tone frequency. (Using FRS radio transmitting generated tone audio)

 

[DaveNF2G]

When figuring out what actual tones are in use, the A and B tones must be from the same list (except in extremely rare cases like new systems where all pagers are programmed by computer and there was an opportunity to "go wild" with the tones).

Within a network (county, etc.), all of the various agency tones are usually from the same list. Sometimes there are mixtures as various legacy hardware is absorbed into larger systems.

 

[DaveIN]

When figuring out what actual tones are in use, the A and B tones must be from the same list (except in extremely rare cases like new systems where all pagers are programmed by computer and there was an opportunity to "go wild" with the tones).

Within a network (county, etc.), all of the various agency tones are usually from the same list. Sometimes there are mixtures as various legacy hardware is absorbed into larger systems.

I've had one or two tone outs that are off frequency enough to give a flase reading, but as you said the tones need to match up to the set, and the +/-10% range lets the FTO radio alert anyway.

 

[ex8010]

How long do the tones have to be to be detected?

 

[DaveIN]

How long do the tones have to be to be detected?

This is from the 996 manual:
Notes:
• For two-tone pages, enter a value for A and B.
• For one-tone pages using short tones of less than 3.75 seconds, enter the tone
value for A, and 0 (zero) for B.
• For long-tone pages, such as group pages of more than 3.75 seconds, enter 0
(zero) for A and the tone value for B.

 

[orzeljo609]

Does anyone by chance have the fire out tones for Hamilton, ON or could someone tell me either where I could find them or how I can get them.

Thanks