Official MSWIN TGID 2014 Thread.

[KE5TLF]

You can hang more than one system on a tower.:roll: (Jones County ring a bell?) I guess it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that the WCC could have transferred some of the on-hand spare parts from the Delta flood sites too. (and in turn acquired new, unused, replacements for themselves)

That freq isn't covered under the state license, and I don't see a license application specific to Lee County's FRN for it, BUT they do have granted(12/11/2013), and build out notifications(06/30/2014) of 4 new MW licenses for the two existing towers. Nichols Park and Saltillo, establishing MW paths between those two, and also into two adjacent MSWIN towers. (30401 and 30406)

The HP-1E trunk analysis could also be useful. Too bad they can't seem to manage to get that into your 536 yet.

 

[KE5TLF]

Lee County Switched over today. Here's a link to the story on WTVA:
Lee County moves to new emergency radio system

I'll post more talkgroups as soon as possible.

There's also a new site in Lee County, 3 045. The CC is 772.73125. I'm not sure of the other frequencies. I'm sure they just used one of their existing towers, but I'm not sure which one yet.

Take a ride.
The Nichols Park(Tupelo) site is near the southeast corner of the park.
The Saltillo site is just south of the 45/145 interchange, next to a water tower. Should be easily seen from 45.

 

[QuietPlease]

Take a ride.
The Nichols Park(Tupelo) site is near the southeast corner of the park.
The Saltillo site is just south of the 45/145 interchange, next to a water tower. Should be easily seen from 45.

Correct. Those are the old analog towers. The old analog system is no longer functional. The towers will be switched to MSWIN towers (I have no idea if the WCC will own them or Lee Co.). The CC frequency I gave earlier is definately the north (Saltillo) site. The south site hasn't been turned on yet.

I'll try to get a Pro96Com site report later tonight.

By the way, in your second pic, the 911 tower is the one on the left.

New talkgroups:
EMS is TEMPORARILY using interop talkgroups.
54042 "Lee Special Event 1" (Temporarily EMS dispatch)
54043 "Lee Special Event 2" (Temporarily EMS-ER AKA Medical Control)

I'm not sure what the issue is, but it's just temporary. I'll keep you updated.

 

[bama9999]

You can hang more than one system on a tower.:roll: (Jones County ring a bell?) I guess it's not entirely out of the realm of possibility that the WCC could have transferred some of the on-hand spare parts from the Delta flood sites too. (and in turn acquired new, unused, replacements for themselves)

That freq isn't covered under the state license, and I don't see a license application specific to Lee County's FRN for it, BUT they do have granted(12/11/2013), and build out notifications(06/30/2014) of 4 new MW licenses for the two existing towers. Nichols Park and Saltillo, establishing MW paths between those two, and also into two adjacent MSWIN towers. (30401 and 30406)

The HP-1E trunk analysis could also be useful. Too bad they can't seem to manage to get that into your 536 yet.

No kidding...I'm REALLY hoping they'll get the Analyze feature implemented SOON!

 

[QuietPlease]

Here's what I got from Pro96Com for the north site.
Apparently the south site is operational now too.

 

[INDY72]

And BINGO.. 3-46.. 800 MHz... Looking like we have 2 new sites to add this weekend. Any sign of it being an simulcast set up? Or both stand alone sites?

 

[bama9999]

And BINGO.. 3-46.. 800 MHz... Looking like we have 2 new sites to add this weekend. Any sign of it being an simulcast set up? Or both stand alone sites?

Can't be simulcast...freqs are on two different bands.

 

[KE5TLF]

LOL.....sigh.....:roll:

 

[INDY72]

I have to agree with Mike on this one.. Sigh.... Simulcast can be done with any mixture of bands, not to mention that the "Industry" considers the 700/800 MHz one band with a big split. Kinda like the "UHF Low/UHF T/UHF High.... Though the UHF High is now the 700/800/900 MHz band apart from the rest of UHF. Yes they used to call the mid range of UHF the Trunked Band.. Even though trunking as we know and use it now had not been invented quite yet. Now as for simulcast, all this means is every transmission is broadcast simultaneously from each and every repeater/base station. Now with differring freqs, you would not have the exact same issues as with the "usual" LSM situation on P25 simulcast systems. With say, an 700 MHz site simulcasting with an 800 MHz, you could just lock out one or the other site, and just roll with one and not have multipath distortion, whereas with Linear Simulcast Modulation which has "usually" every site using the exact same freqs, broadcasting exact same CC's, and exact same transmissions, the older P25 scanners have issues. For more on this you can check out the other threads on trunking, P25, and the articles in the wiki and all over the net on LSM P25 distortion.

 

[INDY72]

345 added, when we get site location for GPS etc,.. will add that. 346 is the Tupelo site of the original analog system. If you guys notice they do the Satillo one also, please do update us. TY Also, is the old system offlined yet or simulcasting on the P25?

 

[KE5TLF]

I already gave the NAMES and where the information came from...
QuietPlease showed you the freqs
OBVIOUSLY 346 is Nichols Park (THEIR name, NOT mine) (Tupelo) Site (same freqs.)
ULS License - Microwave Public Safety Pool License - WQTF420 - LEE, COUNTY OF - Locations Summary
Convert Latitude / Longitude in Degrees/Minutes/Seconds to/from Decimal (FCC) USA
So by deductive reasoning 345 is Saltillo...
The Lat/Lon, Location, ASR#, FCC for Tupelo, etc is in the Lee County system and is correct/same. COPY and PASTE.
Modulation will now be C4FM and H-DQPSK
Application Search - Search Results

ALSO The Tupelo site only has FIVE FB2 freqs licensed as shown in QuietPlease's posting.

 

[KE5TLF]

Lee County MS Public Safety added to Deprecated Trunked Systems (MS) wiki article so axe it as soon as it's confirmed that Saltillo is no longer active on 800 MHz.

Have to wonder if some agencies in and around Saltillo couldn't afford, or chose not to, switch at this time, and that location may be still active for a while? So now it could be somewhat like the City of Madison 2AD site.

QuietPlease try to check that out and if the 800 MHz is still active there try to see if the system ID has changed to 2AD. Either by holding on the CC freq and seeing what is displayed on your scanner, or running T88 or UT for a minute.

 

[Avery93]

Lee County MS Public Safety added to Deprecated Trunked Systems (MS) wiki article so axe it as soon as it's confirmed that Saltillo is no longer active on 800 MHz.

Have to wonder if some agencies in and around Saltillo couldn't afford, or chose not to, switch at this time, and that location may be still active for a while? So now it could be somewhat like the City of Madison 2AD site.

QuietPlease try to check that out and if the 800 MHz is still active there try to see if the system ID has changed to 2AD. Either by holding on the CC freq and seeing what is displayed on your scanner, or running T88 or UT for a minute.

Went as far West as Mantachie today (couple miles from the Lee/Itawamba County line), and did not hear the SmartZone system at all. Normally I would start receiving the Saltillo Control Channel around the state line. The only 800 MHz activity I heard was the Site 346 CC on 857.2625.

I think it's safe to say the venerable SmartZone system is no more.

Also of note, Lee SO is still heavily using their "Local" VHF repeater.

 

[QuietPlease]

The old 800 analog system is dead. The new system ID is 2AD. I have several more talkgroups. I'll post them tomorrow when I get back on my computer. (Sorry!)
I don't know the specifics of the deal between Lee County and the WCC, but they are definately MSWIN sites.

And yes, the SO still has their VHF channel. They have their own dispatcher too. I think there's some political issues between the Sheriff and the 911 Director (But that's off-topic).

 

[KE5TLF]

Could be one of the first "change order 10" filler sites. Something along the lines of they foot the bill for the installation and I GUESS, for doing that the tower owner, also being a government entity, doesn't charge them much, if anything, in the way of lease fees. Unlike if it were a privately owned tower.

The YE license for Tupeo/Nichols Park is STILL WPQZ453. I CLEARLY pointed out in the image above that that is a MW license. Nothing found for Saltillo. I guess you could put WPTZ808, but it's kind of pointless since the link that callsign creates leads to nowhere. That's just the way it is with the SL licenses.

 

[KE5TLF]

NOW Let the search begin for 3-44. Everyone that can, run Pro96Com on every site you can and see if it pops up as neighbor site somewhere. Also search 769 - 775 for control channels. Maybe 851- 858 too.

 

[INDY72]

Think its a good possibility that will be found quickly.. Not to mention the new Clinton site in Hinds County once its finished...

And has anyone heard official word from MDOC yet on when they will switch the EDACS to MSWIN? And same question for dates on Oktibbeha/MSU?

 

[QuietPlease]

And BINGO.. 3-46.. 800 MHz... Looking like we have 2 new sites to add this weekend. Any sign of it being an simulcast set up? Or both stand alone sites?

I'm not sure if it's set up to be simulcast, but due to the number of radios in the small area, it basically is.

 

[QuietPlease]

Lee County MS Public Safety added to Deprecated Trunked Systems (MS) wiki article so axe it as soon as it's confirmed that Saltillo is no longer active on 800 MHz.

Have to wonder if some agencies in and around Saltillo couldn't afford, or chose not to, switch at this time, and that location may be still active for a while? So now it could be somewhat like the City of Madison 2AD site.

QuietPlease try to check that out and if the 800 MHz is still active there try to see if the system ID has changed to 2AD. Either by holding on the CC freq and seeing what is displayed on your scanner, or running T88 or UT for a minute.

Nope. The old system was so antiquated and obsolete, it was a much better option financially to just buy in to MSWIN.

 

[QuietPlease]

More new Lee County Talkgroups:

These are interop channels. I believe every radio has these, regardless of agency.

54042 Lee Special Event 1
54043 Lee Special Event 2
54044 Lee Special Event 3
54045 Lee Special Event 4
54046 Lee Special Event 5
54047 Emergency Management
54048 Disaster
54049 Lee Wide Area

Other misc. channels:

53990 Tupelo PD Scene 1
53991 Tupelo PD Scene 2
53997 Tupelo PD Scene 3
53999 Tupelo Public Schools
54004 Tupelo Fire Scene 1
54005 Tupelo Fire Scene 2
54035 Lee Fire Dispatch
54036 Lee Fire Scene 1
54037 Lee Fire Scene 2
54038 Lee Co. Schools